Retraining to get Class Features from PHB II. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Retraining to get Class Features from PHB II. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Evanta
02-16-07, 09:38 AM My friend just asked this interesting question, do retraining rules allow u to switch out to the PHB II class features? I hope it doesn't, (PHB II class features should be NONC) but hope Britt will come and close the loop.
RedKnightofKet
02-16-07, 10:16 AM I believe that loop is already closed. You are only allowed changes that would be legal for your character. Since those options aren't mentioned as being used in the LGCS, they are NONC at best.
DroidTrooper
02-16-07, 11:17 AM If you had open access to the alternative feature (via AR) at the time you made the choice (hence it would have been a legal choice at the time) you could go back an retrain it. If you did not have access at the time you needed to make the choice you could not retrain it as it would not have been a legal build at that time.
Howie23
02-16-07, 11:34 AM If you had open access to the alternative feature (via AR) at the time you made the choice (hence it would have been a legal choice at the time) you could go back an retrain it. If you did not have access at the time you needed to make the choice you could not retrain it as it would not have been a legal build at that time.

I don't think this is quite right. There are two issues here. One is that of a DnD legal build. The other is an LG allowable build.

The DnD rule is that the character has to make a legal build. You can't substitute out your first level feat for Weapon Specialization, because you could not legally take Weapon Specialization at first level, for example.

From an LG perspective, the substitution also has to be Open, and thus allowable. It does not have to have been Open at the time you made the original selection, it has to be open at the time you retrain. It will be possible to have a PC that retroactively eliminates the effect of the third level rule, for instance.

David
jstorrie
02-16-07, 02:30 PM You can, yes, retrain to an alternate class feature, but only if you have access. In other words, it needs to be an entry on one of your ARs. I don't think there are any mods floating around that give this sort of access right now, but there may be in the future.
Japangirl
02-16-07, 02:42 PM There is one that I know of, but I forget if it was a Y5 or Y6 mod.
solbergb
02-16-07, 03:06 PM I've seen access to rogue and fighter alternate class features.

I of course got this access on a character that is never going to have rogue or fighter levels :)
Fleetfang
02-16-07, 05:37 PM Here's a related question:
I've got a Sandstorm Druid. He has, according to Sandstorm (and the BoBS sourcebook), he gains the sandskimmer feat as a class freature in place of woodland stride.

As one of the many people who was disappointed to never once see an opportunity in the Bright Lands arc to actually use this class feature, I'm kind of eager to drop it in favor of the more traditional woodland stride, which seems to have a jillion opportunities to use just about anywhere. :)

So can my wasteland Druid retrain his sandskimmer feature into the PHB Open woodland stride feature?
Lupo
02-16-07, 05:52 PM Here's a related question:
I've got a Sandstorm Druid. He has, according to Sandstorm (and the BoBS sourcebook), he gains the sandskimmer feat as a class freature in place of woodland stride.

As one of the many people who was disappointed to never once see an opportunity in the Bright Lands arc to actually use this class feature, I'm kind of eager to drop it in favor of the more traditional woodland stride, which seems to have a jillion opportunities to use just about anywhere. :)

So can my wasteland Druid retrain his sandskimmer feature into the PHB Open woodland stride feature?

most probably NO, as this is a very unique generic feature of the "bright desert" druid.

and you can't use class or race or in this case "special character generation" options.

ciao

martin m.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Evanta 02-16-07, 09:38 AM	My friend just asked this interesting question, do retraining rules allow u to switch out to the PHB II class features? I hope it doesn't, (PHB II class features should be NONC) but hope Britt will come and close the loop.
RedKnightofKet 02-16-07, 10:16 AM	I believe that loop is already closed. You are only allowed changes that would be legal for your character. Since those options aren't mentioned as being used in the LGCS, they are NONC at best.
DroidTrooper 02-16-07, 11:17 AM	If you had open access to the alternative feature (via AR) at the time you made the choice (hence it would have been a legal choice at the time) you could go back an retrain it. If you did not have access at the time you needed to make the choice you could not retrain it as it would not have been a legal build at that time.
Howie23 02-16-07, 11:34 AM	If you had open access to the alternative feature (via AR) at the time you made the choice (hence it would have been a legal choice at the time) you could go back an retrain it. If you did not have access at the time you needed to make the choice you could not retrain it as it would not have been a legal build at that time. I don't think this is quite right. There are two issues here. One is that of a DnD legal build. The other is an LG allowable build. The DnD rule is that the character has to make a legal build. You can't substitute out your first level feat for Weapon Specialization, because you could not legally take Weapon Specialization at first level, for example. From an LG perspective, the substitution also has to be Open, and thus allowable. It does not have to have been Open at the time you made the original selection, it has to be open at the time you retrain. It will be possible to have a PC that retroactively eliminates the effect of the third level rule, for instance. David
jstorrie 02-16-07, 02:30 PM	You can, yes, retrain to an alternate class feature, but only if you have access. In other words, it needs to be an entry on one of your ARs. I don't think there are any mods floating around that give this sort of access right now, but there may be in the future.
Japangirl 02-16-07, 02:42 PM	There is one that I know of, but I forget if it was a Y5 or Y6 mod.
solbergb 02-16-07, 03:06 PM	I've seen access to rogue and fighter alternate class features. I of course got this access on a character that is never going to have rogue or fighter levels :)
Fleetfang 02-16-07, 05:37 PM	Here's a related question: I've got a Sandstorm Druid. He has, according to Sandstorm (and the BoBS sourcebook), he gains the sandskimmer feat as a class freature in place of woodland stride. As one of the many people who was disappointed to never once see an opportunity in the Bright Lands arc to actually use this class feature, I'm kind of eager to drop it in favor of the more traditional woodland stride, which seems to have a jillion opportunities to use just about anywhere. :) So can my wasteland Druid retrain his sandskimmer feature into the PHB Open woodland stride feature?
Lupo 02-16-07, 05:52 PM	Here's a related question: I've got a Sandstorm Druid. He has, according to Sandstorm (and the BoBS sourcebook), he gains the sandskimmer feat as a class freature in place of woodland stride. As one of the many people who was disappointed to never once see an opportunity in the Bright Lands arc to actually use this class feature, I'm kind of eager to drop it in favor of the more traditional woodland stride, which seems to have a jillion opportunities to use just about anywhere. :) So can my wasteland Druid retrain his sandskimmer feature into the PHB Open woodland stride feature? most probably NO, as this is a very unique generic feature of the "bright desert" druid. and you can't use class or race or in this case "special character generation" options. ciao martin m.