Spell access?? Spell compendium & clerics?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Spell access?? Spell compendium & clerics?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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lenardschmidt
01-08-07, 04:30 AM Hi,

was wanting some info reguarding the LGCS, the spell compendium and clerics.
The reason is that i'm reasonably new to LG and have been playing my cleric for about a year, now the spell conpendium comes out and becomes the "book of choice" and the "last word" on spells...however..i've now found out that most of the new spells in it are limited and you require access to be able to cast or prepare them!?
This i can understand for wizards and other arcane spells as those classes find theirs and generaly find new ones on every AR....But what about clerics??
Apparently our GODS have forgotten that they know them and so we arnt able to receive these spells from our "so called" Deities??
Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go??
Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA??
Answers anyone??
Sieylianna
01-08-07, 08:13 AM Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go??
Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA??
Answers anyone??

I have two core AR's with new divine spells.

Ed
pedr
01-08-07, 08:16 AM Neither, really. It's an odd by-product of the campaign balance system. Mainly it is a function of the fact that the Spell Compendium came out and was implemented in the system with very little warning, so the Circle (probably) didn't have any time to read the spells and decide whether they were suitable for LG or not. They decided essentially to keep the existing spells from the older LG sources (Complete and Races books, primarily) and to make everything else limited. A few have now become Restricted as foolish triads have made very broken spells available.

I've also not seen clerical spell access on an AR since Year 3 (and that was for 3.0 builder book spells so is now irrelevant) but they do exist. I agree that triads ought to be encouraged (gently, subtly and politely!!) to consider making some cleric spells available on ARs - particularly for members of established churches, for instance, or where it makes sense plot-wise. Someone in my group has access to the spell 'Close Wounds' so it's clear that limited cleric spells are turning up. I just wish I knew where he found it so I make sure I play that mod with my cleric not my barbarian!! Ah well, such is the way of LG :)
Lupo
01-08-07, 08:30 AM Hi,

was wanting some info reguarding the LGCS, the spell compendium and clerics.
The reason is that i'm reasonably new to LG and have been playing my cleric for about a year, now the spell conpendium comes out and becomes the "book of choice" and the "last word" on spells...however..i've now found out that most of the new spells in it are limited and you require access to be able to cast or prepare them!?
This i can understand for wizards and other arcane spells as those classes find theirs and generaly find new ones on every AR....But what about clerics??
Apparently our GODS have forgotten that they know them and so we arnt able to receive these spells from our "so called" Deities??
Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go??
Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA??
Answers anyone??

just look up ken jenk's spell lists here:

http://members.aol.com/kenjenks/lg/lgspelllist.rtf

there you will find all the spells that are core access for clerics (and other casters) of level three and upward, you just add them to your cleric's spell list when reaching third level.

another list provides the limited spells (from the spell compendium only) here:

http://members.aol.com/kenjenks/lg/limited-spells.rtf

lists with limited spells from some other sources can be found here:

http://www-stud.uni-essen.de/~sl1506/web-lg/lg-index.htm

limited spells are sometimes given on ARs, but as usual access differs from region to region.

ciao

martin m.
lenardschmidt
01-08-07, 08:38 AM Thanks for the info, guess its something i'll have to take up with my triad.
I'd also heard for some spells being available and was told to DL some of the AR's and check out which ones to play..however that's cheating to me and i'd rather find out in the Ar and not ruin the adventure for myself or others.
Though obviously some ppl do it.

Thanks again

Lenard:)
ranagrande
01-08-07, 09:09 AM My wizard has access to some limited cleric spells. :P
kjenks
01-08-07, 10:36 AM A recent Dispel Confusion also offers some assistance to clerics seeking access to Limited spells.

If you find a limited spell that is on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. If you buy a spellbook containing limited spells, you have access to the spells that appear on your classes’ list, even though you may not be able to cast the spells from the spellbook. If you lose the item (scroll or spellbook), clerics, druids, and other divine casters that prepare from a list do not lose access – once you’ve found and purchased the item, it is considered a known spell for purposes of preparing spells.

For example, my druid got access to a "Scroll of Planar Tolerance" from the Spell Compendium. The AR did not specify whether it was an arcane or divine scroll. The spell is on these spell lists: "cleric 4, druid 4, Elysium 2, ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 5." So I bought the scroll (150 gp, caster level 3, as if a cleric with the Elysium domain had scribed it). Now my druid has access to cast the spell.

(BTW, all ARs should list the type, arcane or divine, and the caster level of scrolls, but they often do not. Apparently, we're supposed to figure out the minumum caster level and price to buy these scrolls, and apparently, we're free to choose either arcane or divine. In my opinion, this is an area where module authors and editors should do a better job.)

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgif/20060921a

Q: If I find a spell in a spellbook, on a scroll, or in some other written form, do I have access to it?

A: If you find a spell on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. For example, if a sorcerer finds and purchases a spellbook with the spell snake’s swiftness in it, he may choose to learn the spell at his next available and valid opportunity. If there’s any question as to whether the spell is actually written on or in the purchasable item, it is not valid for this type of access. Valid examples include scrolls, spellbooks, tablets, and notes.

Q: I have a bard character. If I find a spellbook that contains sorcerer/wizard spells, and some of them are bard spells as well, does purchasing the spellbook give me access to those spells?

A: Yes. Even though you may not be able to cast the spells from the spellbook, as long as the spells are legible to the character, you have access to the spells that appear on that classes’ list.

Q: I understand now that I can get access to spells from written items. What happens if I lose the item, sell the item, or it is destroyed?

A: It depends on the spellcasting character’s class. Wizards and other spellcasters that prepare spells from a spellbook lose access to the spell, unless the spell has already been scribed into another written source, such as a spellbook. Clerics, druids, and other divine casters that prepare from a list do not lose access – once they’ve found and purchased the item, it is considered a known spell for purposes of preparing spells. Sorcerers, bards, and other arcane casters that spontaneously cast spells must have already added the spell to their list of spells known in order to continue to use the spell; otherwise, they lose access, and cannot add the spell unless they find access again.

Q: If I find a spellbook that has a spell that I want, do I need to purchase the whole spellbook to obtain access?

A: Yes. Any written items (spellbooks, scrolls, etc.) must be purchased at the full cost in order to obtain access to any spells or other options present in them.
kenobi65
01-08-07, 10:40 AM I'd also heard for some spells being available and was told to DL some of the AR's and check out which ones to play..however that's cheating to me

Well, actually, that's cheating, period. Whoever suggested that to you needs a whack upside the head.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lenardschmidt 01-08-07, 04:30 AM	Hi, was wanting some info reguarding the LGCS, the spell compendium and clerics. The reason is that i'm reasonably new to LG and have been playing my cleric for about a year, now the spell conpendium comes out and becomes the "book of choice" and the "last word" on spells...however..i've now found out that most of the new spells in it are limited and you require access to be able to cast or prepare them!? This i can understand for wizards and other arcane spells as those classes find theirs and generaly find new ones on every AR....But what about clerics?? Apparently our GODS have forgotten that they know them and so we arnt able to receive these spells from our "so called" Deities?? Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go?? Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA?? Answers anyone??
Sieylianna 01-08-07, 08:13 AM	Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go?? Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA?? Answers anyone?? I have two core AR's with new divine spells. Ed
pedr 01-08-07, 08:16 AM	Neither, really. It's an odd by-product of the campaign balance system. Mainly it is a function of the fact that the Spell Compendium came out and was implemented in the system with very little warning, so the Circle (probably) didn't have any time to read the spells and decide whether they were suitable for LG or not. They decided essentially to keep the existing spells from the older LG sources (Complete and Races books, primarily) and to make everything else limited. A few have now become Restricted as foolish triads have made very broken spells available. I've also not seen clerical spell access on an AR since Year 3 (and that was for 3.0 builder book spells so is now irrelevant) but they do exist. I agree that triads ought to be encouraged (gently, subtly and politely!!) to consider making some cleric spells available on ARs - particularly for members of established churches, for instance, or where it makes sense plot-wise. Someone in my group has access to the spell 'Close Wounds' so it's clear that limited cleric spells are turning up. I just wish I knew where he found it so I make sure I play that mod with my cleric not my barbarian!! Ah well, such is the way of LG :)
Lupo 01-08-07, 08:30 AM	Hi, was wanting some info reguarding the LGCS, the spell compendium and clerics. The reason is that i'm reasonably new to LG and have been playing my cleric for about a year, now the spell conpendium comes out and becomes the "book of choice" and the "last word" on spells...however..i've now found out that most of the new spells in it are limited and you require access to be able to cast or prepare them!? This i can understand for wizards and other arcane spells as those classes find theirs and generaly find new ones on every AR....But what about clerics?? Apparently our GODS have forgotten that they know them and so we arnt able to receive these spells from our "so called" Deities?? Also, i'm yet to see a single AR that lists new found Divine spells??....so what's the go?? Oversight or plain stupidity by the RPGA?? Answers anyone?? just look up ken jenk's spell lists here: http://members.aol.com/kenjenks/lg/lgspelllist.rtf there you will find all the spells that are core access for clerics (and other casters) of level three and upward, you just add them to your cleric's spell list when reaching third level. another list provides the limited spells (from the spell compendium only) here: http://members.aol.com/kenjenks/lg/limited-spells.rtf lists with limited spells from some other sources can be found here: http://www-stud.uni-essen.de/~sl1506/web-lg/lg-index.htm limited spells are sometimes given on ARs, but as usual access differs from region to region. ciao martin m.
lenardschmidt 01-08-07, 08:38 AM	Thanks for the info, guess its something i'll have to take up with my triad. I'd also heard for some spells being available and was told to DL some of the AR's and check out which ones to play..however that's cheating to me and i'd rather find out in the Ar and not ruin the adventure for myself or others. Though obviously some ppl do it. Thanks again Lenard:)
ranagrande 01-08-07, 09:09 AM	My wizard has access to some limited cleric spells. :P
kjenks 01-08-07, 10:36 AM	A recent Dispel Confusion also offers some assistance to clerics seeking access to Limited spells. If you find a limited spell that is on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. If you buy a spellbook containing limited spells, you have access to the spells that appear on your classes’ list, even though you may not be able to cast the spells from the spellbook. If you lose the item (scroll or spellbook), clerics, druids, and other divine casters that prepare from a list do not lose access – once you’ve found and purchased the item, it is considered a known spell for purposes of preparing spells. For example, my druid got access to a "Scroll of Planar Tolerance" from the Spell Compendium. The AR did not specify whether it was an arcane or divine scroll. The spell is on these spell lists: "cleric 4, druid 4, Elysium 2, ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 5." So I bought the scroll (150 gp, caster level 3, as if a cleric with the Elysium domain had scribed it). Now my druid has access to cast the spell. (BTW, all ARs should list the type, arcane or divine, and the caster level of scrolls, but they often do not. Apparently, we're supposed to figure out the minumum caster level and price to buy these scrolls, and apparently, we're free to choose either arcane or divine. In my opinion, this is an area where module authors and editors should do a better job.) http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgif/20060921a Q: If I find a spell in a spellbook, on a scroll, or in some other written form, do I have access to it? A: If you find a spell on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. For example, if a sorcerer finds and purchases a spellbook with the spell snake’s swiftness in it, he may choose to learn the spell at his next available and valid opportunity. If there’s any question as to whether the spell is actually written on or in the purchasable item, it is not valid for this type of access. Valid examples include scrolls, spellbooks, tablets, and notes. Q: I have a bard character. If I find a spellbook that contains sorcerer/wizard spells, and some of them are bard spells as well, does purchasing the spellbook give me access to those spells? A: Yes. Even though you may not be able to cast the spells from the spellbook, as long as the spells are legible to the character, you have access to the spells that appear on that classes’ list. Q: I understand now that I can get access to spells from written items. What happens if I lose the item, sell the item, or it is destroyed? A: It depends on the spellcasting character’s class. Wizards and other spellcasters that prepare spells from a spellbook lose access to the spell, unless the spell has already been scribed into another written source, such as a spellbook. Clerics, druids, and other divine casters that prepare from a list do not lose access – once they’ve found and purchased the item, it is considered a known spell for purposes of preparing spells. Sorcerers, bards, and other arcane casters that spontaneously cast spells must have already added the spell to their list of spells known in order to continue to use the spell; otherwise, they lose access, and cannot add the spell unless they find access again. Q: If I find a spellbook that has a spell that I want, do I need to purchase the whole spellbook to obtain access? A: Yes. Any written items (spellbooks, scrolls, etc.) must be purchased at the full cost in order to obtain access to any spells or other options present in them.
kenobi65 01-08-07, 10:40 AM	I'd also heard for some spells being available and was told to DL some of the AR's and check out which ones to play..however that's cheating to me Well, actually, that's cheating, period. Whoever suggested that to you needs a whack upside the head.