stonelords and spell levels [Archive] - Wizards Community

stonelords and spell levels [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
clannagh
07-10-07, 07:38 PM My stone lord is starting to pick up stonelord spell like abilities.

Caster level is easy .. its the stonelord level.

In terms of spell DCs the relevant stat is clearly CON .. but what is the SPELL LEVEL of a hold monster or slow cast by a stone lord ??
bitznarf
07-10-07, 07:40 PM If I had to make a guess, I would put it at the default level for a wizard or sorcerer.
CdrcJsn
07-10-07, 07:58 PM Use the standard rules for spell-like abilities.

In the MM (pg 315) it says if a spell belongs to several lists, use the sorcerer/wizard equivalent unless specified otherwise. If the spell is not a sor/wiz spell, then it goes through a progression until the spell is available;
sor/wiz -> cleric -> druid -> bard -> paladin -> ranger

Strange, but I was just looking this rule up when I ran across this question. ;)
clannagh
07-10-07, 08:22 PM thanks that answers my original question

another issue comes to mind though

if a stonelord with barbarian levels rages can he still use these abilities .. I would assume yes as the rage description specifically refers to spells and spell activation
magebeast
07-10-07, 08:25 PM thanks that answers my original question

another issue comes to mind though

if a stonelord with barbarian levels rages can he still use these abilities .. I would assume yes as the rage description specifically refers to spells and spell activation

IIRC things that prevent spells prevent spell-like abilities.
CdrcJsn
07-10-07, 08:25 PM No.

"While raging, a barbarian cannot use ... any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells..."

Spell-like abilities still require a moment's concentration to activate (hence the need to cast defensively or make concentration checks if damaged).
clannagh
07-10-07, 08:40 PM No.

"While raging, a barbarian cannot use ... any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells..."

Spell-like abilities still require a moment's concentration to activate (hence the need to cast defensively or make concentration checks if damaged).

rats .... no raging to put up the spell DC's for me :)

thanks for that !!
LachlarlanIII
07-11-07, 10:59 AM rats .... no raging to put up the spell DC's for me :)

thanks for that !!

You could take a level of Rage Mage.

It allows you to cast spells while raging once per day.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
clannagh 07-10-07, 07:38 PM	My stone lord is starting to pick up stonelord spell like abilities. Caster level is easy .. its the stonelord level. In terms of spell DCs the relevant stat is clearly CON .. but what is the SPELL LEVEL of a hold monster or slow cast by a stone lord ??
bitznarf 07-10-07, 07:40 PM	If I had to make a guess, I would put it at the default level for a wizard or sorcerer.
CdrcJsn 07-10-07, 07:58 PM	Use the standard rules for spell-like abilities. In the MM (pg 315) it says if a spell belongs to several lists, use the sorcerer/wizard equivalent unless specified otherwise. If the spell is not a sor/wiz spell, then it goes through a progression until the spell is available; sor/wiz -> cleric -> druid -> bard -> paladin -> ranger Strange, but I was just looking this rule up when I ran across this question. ;)
clannagh 07-10-07, 08:22 PM	thanks that answers my original question another issue comes to mind though if a stonelord with barbarian levels rages can he still use these abilities .. I would assume yes as the rage description specifically refers to spells and spell activation
magebeast 07-10-07, 08:25 PM	thanks that answers my original question another issue comes to mind though if a stonelord with barbarian levels rages can he still use these abilities .. I would assume yes as the rage description specifically refers to spells and spell activation IIRC things that prevent spells prevent spell-like abilities.
CdrcJsn 07-10-07, 08:25 PM	No. "While raging, a barbarian cannot use ... any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells..." Spell-like abilities still require a moment's concentration to activate (hence the need to cast defensively or make concentration checks if damaged).
clannagh 07-10-07, 08:40 PM	No. "While raging, a barbarian cannot use ... any abilities that require patience or concentration, nor can he cast spells..." Spell-like abilities still require a moment's concentration to activate (hence the need to cast defensively or make concentration checks if damaged). rats .... no raging to put up the spell DC's for me :) thanks for that !!
LachlarlanIII 07-11-07, 10:59 AM	rats .... no raging to put up the spell DC's for me :) thanks for that !! You could take a level of Rage Mage. It allows you to cast spells while raging once per day.