Suspending Characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Suspending Characters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Mocoso
05-15-07, 08:43 AM My Triads recently "Temporarily suspended" a regional character. Where do I go to read what the rules are for this. There nothing in the LGCS about it.
Mithreinmaethor
05-15-07, 09:03 AM I would try this page and download the document.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/hq/generalrules
Mocoso
05-15-07, 09:12 AM It doesn't mention anything about audits or Triad powers or anything. I'm not saying they are wrong, the one they suspend is known to be cheater... but where does their power end? can they do this for any reason, or is it some secret?
vvincent
05-15-07, 09:35 AM The power is granted in their Administrative guide (which is not open to player review) - and typically, such a suspension is done pending a review by a Circle member. So it's the Circle member that would make the final determination on whether said character remains suspended.

Vernon L. Vincent

It doesn't mention anything about audits or Triad powers or anything. I'm not saying they are wrong, the one they suspend is known to be cheater... but where does their power end? can they do this for any reason, or is it some secret?
pedr
05-15-07, 10:34 AM The LGCS tells you what players can do. This is the RPGA's campaign and its delegates (Circle and Triads) can do whatever they like, limited only by the parameters set down by the RPGA (and Circle, in the case of Triad powers/responsibilies).

They cannot stop a player playing RPGA events without following the RPGA Penalty Guidelines and procedures, but characters are completely within their remit to suspend, modify, remove, etc.

Well that's how I imagine it works anyway - I have no actual knowledge of the administrative system, but I can't imagine any other way it could work.
JamesMaissen
05-15-07, 11:12 AM The LGCS tells you what players can do. This is the RPGA's campaign and its delegates (Circle and Triads) can do whatever they like, limited only by the parameters set down by the RPGA (and Circle, in the case of Triad powers/responsibilies).

Well that's how I imagine it works anyway - I have no actual knowledge of the administrative system, but I can't imagine any other way it could work.

This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden?

-James
katrick
05-15-07, 11:28 AM This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden?

-James

Confusion and Fear!!!
You don't have to justify your actions if you don't give a reason.

But as i have heard around the campfire on nights with no moon, you have to really be repeatedly infracting the rules(blatent cheating, not just fudging dice and adding up wrong) or continual [Evil] acts, otherwise they just don't bother.
katrick
vvincent
05-15-07, 01:53 PM This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden?

-James

I wouldn't say a lot of things are hidden - it's just that there isn't a need for player to know this information. It doesn't benefit them or affect the playing of the game.

In the case of players - the Administrative information for Triads just isn't relevant to the actual playing of the game. Yeah - I can see where people would like to know the information - but there's a difference between "like to know" and "need to know".

Just my opinion.

Vernon L. Vincent
Mommy was an Orc
05-15-07, 05:14 PM Without knowing actual information, I'd also suspect that the Administrative document is a document designed for a small group of users - what are there, less than 100 triad members and 6 Circle? - as opposed to thousands.

If something isn't completely clear, they can update the document whenever they want as it isn't posted on WotC website. They don't have to be absolutely clear, because if one of those Triad members has a problem, they'll bring it up when it is relevant. And if one of the Triad members go on for too long, the Circle can cut off discussion.

If it discusses NDA material, there's a big problem to make it public.
King Kashue
05-15-07, 05:23 PM And, if you check the RPGA guidelines for judges, it does actually mention a lot of the stuff that penalize both players and characters, and the appeals process, how to report stuff, what happens after a report, etc...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mocoso 05-15-07, 08:43 AM	My Triads recently "Temporarily suspended" a regional character. Where do I go to read what the rules are for this. There nothing in the LGCS about it.
Mithreinmaethor 05-15-07, 09:03 AM	I would try this page and download the document. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/hq/generalrules
Mocoso 05-15-07, 09:12 AM	It doesn't mention anything about audits or Triad powers or anything. I'm not saying they are wrong, the one they suspend is known to be cheater... but where does their power end? can they do this for any reason, or is it some secret?
vvincent 05-15-07, 09:35 AM	The power is granted in their Administrative guide (which is not open to player review) - and typically, such a suspension is done pending a review by a Circle member. So it's the Circle member that would make the final determination on whether said character remains suspended. Vernon L. Vincent It doesn't mention anything about audits or Triad powers or anything. I'm not saying they are wrong, the one they suspend is known to be cheater... but where does their power end? can they do this for any reason, or is it some secret?
pedr 05-15-07, 10:34 AM	The LGCS tells you what players can do. This is the RPGA's campaign and its delegates (Circle and Triads) can do whatever they like, limited only by the parameters set down by the RPGA (and Circle, in the case of Triad powers/responsibilies). They cannot stop a player playing RPGA events without following the RPGA Penalty Guidelines and procedures, but characters are completely within their remit to suspend, modify, remove, etc. Well that's how I imagine it works anyway - I have no actual knowledge of the administrative system, but I can't imagine any other way it could work.
JamesMaissen 05-15-07, 11:12 AM	The LGCS tells you what players can do. This is the RPGA's campaign and its delegates (Circle and Triads) can do whatever they like, limited only by the parameters set down by the RPGA (and Circle, in the case of Triad powers/responsibilies). Well that's how I imagine it works anyway - I have no actual knowledge of the administrative system, but I can't imagine any other way it could work. This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden? -James
katrick 05-15-07, 11:28 AM	This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden? -James Confusion and Fear!!! You don't have to justify your actions if you don't give a reason. But as i have heard around the campfire on nights with no moon, you have to really be repeatedly infracting the rules(blatent cheating, not just fudging dice and adding up wrong) or continual [Evil] acts, otherwise they just don't bother. katrick
vvincent 05-15-07, 01:53 PM	This campaign seems to do alot that's not out in the open for whatever reasons and it just seems unnecessary to me. The individual rules involved might be fine, might be horrible, but what's gained by having them hidden? -James I wouldn't say a lot of things are hidden - it's just that there isn't a need for player to know this information. It doesn't benefit them or affect the playing of the game. In the case of players - the Administrative information for Triads just isn't relevant to the actual playing of the game. Yeah - I can see where people would like to know the information - but there's a difference between "like to know" and "need to know". Just my opinion. Vernon L. Vincent
Mommy was an Orc 05-15-07, 05:14 PM	Without knowing actual information, I'd also suspect that the Administrative document is a document designed for a small group of users - what are there, less than 100 triad members and 6 Circle? - as opposed to thousands. If something isn't completely clear, they can update the document whenever they want as it isn't posted on WotC website. They don't have to be absolutely clear, because if one of those Triad members has a problem, they'll bring it up when it is relevant. And if one of the Triad members go on for too long, the Circle can cut off discussion. If it discusses NDA material, there's a big problem to make it public.
King Kashue 05-15-07, 05:23 PM	And, if you check the RPGA guidelines for judges, it does actually mention a lot of the stuff that penalize both players and characters, and the appeals process, how to report stuff, what happens after a report, etc...