Underwater Fly [Archive] - Wizards Community

Underwater Fly [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Howie23
03-27-07, 04:20 PM Is there any rules basis for using a fly movement mode underwater?

David
Jay_Ibero_911
03-27-07, 04:26 PM Well I don't think there is any RAW for it, but I think most people will agree that any natural flight would be unusable underwater. Magical flight on the other hand doesn't rely on any kind of physics, so it might work underwater, but be at like half speed or something. If someone is under the effect of both Freedom of Movement AND Fly, they should have no trouble flying through water then...
solbergb
03-27-07, 05:02 PM So far I'm at 100% for judges ruling against using even powered flight underwater.

In 3.0 there was a FAQ ruling, but the plethora of 3.5 spells that assist water movement were taken as evidence that flight gives a fly speed....if you want to swim, you need a swim speed or something like free movement that allows you to fly freely underwater.

Which is why my sorcerer may get cloak of the sea or, access permitting, airy water someday.
Eric Anondson
03-28-07, 05:41 PM If any sort of prececent is something to go on, the Manual of the Planes tells us this about fly movement modes through the Elemental Plane of Water; that "(t)hose with fly speeds can fly at half their normal rate, and their maneuverability is reduced by one grade."

They still suffer penalties for not having a swim speed with regards to attack and damage penalties for fighting underwater.
Gallaway
03-29-07, 03:15 AM If any sort of prececent is something to go on, the Manual of the Planes tells us this about fly movement modes through the Elemental Plane of Water; that "(t)hose with fly speeds can fly at half their normal rate, and their maneuverability is reduced by one grade."

They still suffer penalties for not having a swim speed with regards to attack and damage penalties for fighting underwater.

Clearly the Elemental Plane of Water is inhabited mainly by ducks.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Howie23 03-27-07, 04:20 PM	Is there any rules basis for using a fly movement mode underwater? David
Jay_Ibero_911 03-27-07, 04:26 PM	Well I don't think there is any RAW for it, but I think most people will agree that any natural flight would be unusable underwater. Magical flight on the other hand doesn't rely on any kind of physics, so it might work underwater, but be at like half speed or something. If someone is under the effect of both Freedom of Movement AND Fly, they should have no trouble flying through water then...
solbergb 03-27-07, 05:02 PM	So far I'm at 100% for judges ruling against using even powered flight underwater. In 3.0 there was a FAQ ruling, but the plethora of 3.5 spells that assist water movement were taken as evidence that flight gives a fly speed....if you want to swim, you need a swim speed or something like free movement that allows you to fly freely underwater. Which is why my sorcerer may get cloak of the sea or, access permitting, airy water someday.
Eric Anondson 03-28-07, 05:41 PM	If any sort of prececent is something to go on, the Manual of the Planes tells us this about fly movement modes through the Elemental Plane of Water; that "(t)hose with fly speeds can fly at half their normal rate, and their maneuverability is reduced by one grade." They still suffer penalties for not having a swim speed with regards to attack and damage penalties for fighting underwater.
Gallaway 03-29-07, 03:15 AM	If any sort of prececent is something to go on, the Manual of the Planes tells us this about fly movement modes through the Elemental Plane of Water; that "(t)hose with fly speeds can fly at half their normal rate, and their maneuverability is reduced by one grade." They still suffer penalties for not having a swim speed with regards to attack and damage penalties for fighting underwater. Clearly the Elemental Plane of Water is inhabited mainly by ducks.