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windmarkbob 07-03-06, 11:24 AM

The rules say that you get an "additional" d6+STR with a successful grapple attack. Does this damage come during only the hold step of the initial grapple, the "do damage" option on later successful grapple rounds, or both? How does having masterwork spikes affect the grappling, if at all, or does it only affect the to hit result when using them without grappling? Depending on how it works, I may or may not try to go for some holy armor spikes down the road. The reason I'm asking is that we've been playing it that I currently do the 1d3 non-lethal damage and the additional 1d6 lethal on the successful hold since it does say "additional" in the rules. Also we've been saying that I can either use them to attack during the grapple and not have to roll an opposed grapple check, or roll the grapple check and hope for another 1d3 non-lethal, and 1d6 addtional lethal damage by wrestling them onto the spikes during the "bear-hug". Thanks Thanks