Augment summoning feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

Augment summoning feat [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Francis Farkas
09-06-05, 07:46 AM The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls?
I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones?
Prochytes
09-06-05, 08:55 AM The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls?

Once again, this is from memory, and so liable to error, but usually spells cast from scrolls do not benefit from the user's spell-related feats (I say spell-related because I assume that someone who who has Improved Precise Shot can fire an Orb of Acid from a scroll into a grapple as handily as one (s)he has cast personally). Spells cast from staves are a different story.
Winnipegger
09-06-05, 02:58 PM The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls?
I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones?

PHB page 89:

AUGMENT SUMMONING [GENERAL]
Your summoned creatures are more powerful than normal.
Prerequisite: Spell Focus (conjuration)
Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it.

My initial thought was that creatures summoned from a scroll do not gain the benefit of the feat. Then I quoted the actual entry, and thought about other things scrolls are compared to in terms of spell casting. Scrolls have arcane spell failure (so it indicates a somatic component), and casting from scrolls provoke attacks of opportunity (unlike casting from a wand). So it can be conjectured that casting from a scroll is equivalent to actually casting the spell, except for caster level and saving throw DC. For that reason, I believe that a creature summoned from a scroll counts as a creature you conjure.

If there were a way to create scrolls using the "augment summoning" feat then I would probably change my mind, but the nature of the augment summoning feat doesn't allow it to be a part of the scroll scribing process.

That fact remains though that there will probably be table variation, with the ambiguity lying in "Each creature you conjure with any summon spell".

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Chris Tiodin
StormCrow42
09-08-05, 04:49 PM I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones?
Druids can't wear metal armor or shields. Full stop. That is the only restriction on metal that druids have, they are no longer limited (other than by proficiency or lack thereof) from using any weapon they desire. You're thinking of an old 3.0 rule that no longer applies.

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Francis Farkas 09-06-05, 07:46 AM	The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls? I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones?
Prochytes 09-06-05, 08:55 AM	The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls? Once again, this is from memory, and so liable to error, but usually spells cast from scrolls do not benefit from the user's spell-related feats (I say spell-related because I assume that someone who who has Improved Precise Shot can fire an Orb of Acid from a scroll into a grapple as handily as one (s)he has cast personally). Spells cast from staves are a different story.
Winnipegger 09-06-05, 02:58 PM	The description of the augment summoning feat says it works with each creature you conjure with any summon spell. Does it work when you're conjuring creatures from scrolls? I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones? PHB page 89: AUGMENT SUMMONING [GENERAL] Your summoned creatures are more powerful than normal. Prerequisite: Spell Focus (conjuration) Benefit: Each creature you conjure with any summon spell gains a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution for the duration of the spell that summoned it. My initial thought was that creatures summoned from a scroll do not gain the benefit of the feat. Then I quoted the actual entry, and thought about other things scrolls are compared to in terms of spell casting. Scrolls have arcane spell failure (so it indicates a somatic component), and casting from scrolls provoke attacks of opportunity (unlike casting from a wand). So it can be conjectured that casting from a scroll is equivalent to actually casting the spell, except for caster level and saving throw DC. For that reason, I believe that a creature summoned from a scroll counts as a creature you conjure. If there were a way to create scrolls using the "augment summoning" feat then I would probably change my mind, but the nature of the augment summoning feat doesn't allow it to be a part of the scroll scribing process. That fact remains though that there will probably be table variation, with the ambiguity lying in "Each creature you conjure with any summon spell". --- Chris Tiodin
StormCrow42 09-08-05, 04:49 PM	I've also got a question about druids in general. I know druids can use metal weapons because they can use scimitars. Does that mean they can use bullets with thier slings, or do they have to use stones? Druids can't wear metal armor or shields. Full stop. That is the only restriction on metal that druids have, they are no longer limited (other than by proficiency or lack thereof) from using any weapon they desire. You're thinking of an old 3.0 rule that no longer applies.