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Grethor 05-09-05, 02:08 PM	hey, i have been thinking lately... I like the humans their bonus skill points and bonus feat, but i also like the modifiers that small characters get.. is it possible to create lilliputians (e.g. small sized humans)? and what racial stuff/size stuff would a human lilliputian get? greetz, Grethor
King Kashue 05-09-05, 02:39 PM	hey, i have been thinking lately... I like the humans their bonus skill points and bonus feat, but i also like the modifiers that small characters get.. is it possible to create lilliputians (e.g. small sized humans)? and what racial stuff/size stuff would a human lilliputian get? greetz, Grethor In Living Greyhawk (the purpose of this particular forum) none, since such a race does not exist as part of the Campaign setting... In general, the easiest way to do it would be to keep everything the same and just make them size small...They'd get bonuses to AC and to hit, and smaller damage dice...If you wanted to adjust stats, -2 STR and +2 Dex makes sense...
Grethor 05-09-05, 04:40 PM	In Living Greyhawk (the purpose of this particular forum) none, since such a race does not exist as part of the Campaign setting... In general, the easiest way to do it would be to keep everything the same and just make them size small...They'd get bonuses to AC and to hit, and smaller damage dice...If you wanted to adjust stats, -2 STR and +2 Dex makes sense... i mean just the same race, humans.. but small sized... and what way would i make them small? just create a small human? (as in making a human but a small size)
kenobi65 05-09-05, 05:37 PM	i mean just the same race, humans.. but small sized... Well, by the rules, being Medium-sized is part of the racial characteristics of Human. I think I understand what you're saying...that it'd be just a small member of the race (as in, people in real-life who suffer from dwarfism)...but, at least in Living Greyhawk, there's no way to do that. In LG, you play a Human, you're Medium-sized, end of story. Also, fundamentally, what you're asking for is a benefit (Small size, which is pretty advantageous for a lot of character concepts) while keeping the benefits (extra feat and skill points) of a Human. Even if we're talking about a home game (since you can't do this at all in Living Greyhawk), as a DM, I wouldn't let you play a Small Human without some other disadvantages to balance the advantage of Small.
King Kashue 05-09-05, 06:50 PM	Also, fundamentally, what you're asking for is a benefit (Small size, which is pretty advantageous for a lot of character concepts) while keeping the benefits (extra feat and skill points) of a Human. Even if we're talking about a home game (since you can't do this at all in Living Greyhawk), as a DM, I wouldn't let you play a Small Human without some other disadvantages to balance the advantage of Small. The system actually considers being small a disadvantage due to the lowered movement rate and smaller damage dice...It's being larger that is the advantage... You trade carrying capacity, damage, and movement for 1 point of ac and 1 point to hit...Those equal out in the system's eyes (note, CR doesn't change for going down in size, but it does going up)...
Grethor 05-10-05, 02:08 AM	Well, by the rules, being Medium-sized is part of the racial characteristics of Human. I think I understand what you're saying...that it'd be just a small member of the race (as in, people in real-life who suffer from dwarfism) yes, you understand me :P ...but, at least in Living Greyhawk, there's no way to do that. In LG, you play a Human, you're Medium-sized, end of story. too bad Also, fundamentally, what you're asking for is a benefit (Small size, which is pretty advantageous for a lot of character concepts) while keeping the benefits (extra feat and skill points) of a Human. Even if we're talking about a home game (since you can't do this at all in Living Greyhawk), as a DM, I wouldn't let you play a Small Human without some other disadvantages to balance the advantage of Small. and is there a way to shorten characters after they're being created?? (by spells or something like that) and have that change forever?
kenobi65 05-10-05, 11:31 AM	and is there a way to shorten characters after they're being created?? (by spells or something like that) and have that change forever? Probably not; even so-called "permanent" spell effects in Living Greyhawk usually last no longer than the end of the module you're playing. (I say "probably not" because it's conceivable that, somewhere, in some LG module, there might be some sort of effect like what you're talking about...but I've never heard of it.)
Grethor 05-10-05, 12:10 PM	too bad permanency isnt allowed in LG... :weep: (or lasts only for the module) ty anyway
Samwise 05-10-05, 02:14 PM	(I say "probably not" because it's conceivable that, somewhere, in some LG module, there might be some sort of effect like what you're talking about...but I've never heard of it.) I have! There is indeed a module with a permanent reduce person curse. (Or is it retired?) Isn't LG wonderful? :P
Grethor 05-10-05, 03:53 PM	I have! There is indeed a module with a permanent reduce person curse. (Or is it retired?) Isn't LG wonderful? :P errr i dont call that a curse :P i call it a blessing :P i hope my character will play it :P