Deity with Blackwater Domain [Archive] - Wizards Community

Deity with Blackwater Domain [Archive] - Wizards Community

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_metz_
05-10-07, 02:56 AM I am looking for a deity with this domain, as it's an open domain, and sounds like it will suit my Cleric cohort of my pirate (long story, ended up going with the cleric)

Is there any help in this regard? The domain is open access, but the only gods I know of that allow it are evil (?!?), I was wondering if its been added to any non evil aquatic gods? Clearly it makes sense that it has been if its open, but I only have the LGCS deities document 2 to go off, and it doesn't have the Blackwater domain in it...
Shieldhart91
05-10-07, 03:41 AM I've never even heard of the Blackwater Domain. Where is that from?
_metz_
05-10-07, 03:50 AM Its from Storm Wrack - has funky spells and seems cool.

Also has Evards as a Domain Spell, as well as Transformation of the Deep, waterbreathing, darkvision, endure elements as one spell... (lasts hour/level)
JJeff
05-10-07, 04:37 AM Unfortunately, there seems to be no current legal (Or even 'illegal') diety in the dieties document with that domain. Yes, it is open. Yes, No diety in LG grants it. Don't ask why, We'll just have to wait for the new Dieties document that was due ages ago.
_metz_
05-10-07, 06:14 AM 2 Deities have it thanks to Stormwrack, issue is one is CE other is LE...

It's really unfortunate, as I want to give it to my clerical cohort... are we allowed to be clerics of "causes" in LG? or did they disallow that for domain cheesiness...

I do find it a little frustrating that the new LGCS is out but the corresponding deities document isn't...
gomeztoo
05-10-07, 07:22 AM It's with Steven Conforti , IIRC. It's due, yes. I am waiting for it myself, hoping that it will allow dragon dsiicples to worship dragon deities, so I don't actually need a feat that I can technically not use (as it was updated in a book I don't have).
Anyway, it doesn't sound like a domain most deities have. x
I don't really know any... doesn't seem to fit Procan much, and I fear he comes closest. Sekolah, perhaps (but he's evil). Maybe a Touv or Olman deity.
_metz_
05-10-07, 08:56 AM Sekolah and Blibdoolpoolp have it according to Stormwrack, but it wouldn't be an open feat if some non evil gods weren't going to get it.

Definitely doesn't seem very "good" godlike
bitznarf
05-10-07, 10:50 AM I do find it a little frustrating that the new LGCS is out but the corresponding deities document isn't...
It'll be out 'in a few days' from March 2nd, 2005
Howie23
05-10-07, 10:54 AM It'll be out 'in a few days' from March 2nd, 2005

Oh, give 'em a break, Dale. :)

Obviously, it either took on less priority than anticipated, or the project grew into something more extensive than the update originally anticipated.

David
bitznarf
05-10-07, 10:55 AM Yeah, I know. And I know they are volunteers. But I mean 'a few days' and it hasn't happened 2 years later?
Sieylianna
05-10-07, 05:43 PM Yeah, I know. And I know they are volunteers. But I mean 'a few days' and it hasn't happened 2 years later?

The circle apparently decided other things were a higher priority (like adaptables). I can get what I need out of the deities document and that is good enough for me.

Ed
kjenks
05-10-07, 06:11 PM Since the Blackwater domain is Open, my sorceress can use Limited Wish to duplicate some of its spells.
Shieldhart91
05-10-07, 08:50 PM What's the granted power of the Blackwater domain? Is it as useful as the Magic or Glory domain? =P
JJeff
05-10-07, 09:02 PM Oh, definately VERY useful. You become immune to damage from water pressure when you are descending to the depths of the ocean.

That is so cool...
[/sacarsm]

Glory has a good domain abaility, but Magic.... Very seldom does a cleric have the spell on their spell list that is so unique that they would require a arcane magic device to use it, that they can't already use themselves without the item
_metz_
05-10-07, 09:09 PM The domain is mor for character and the spells at 3rd and 4th...
King Kashue
05-11-07, 12:12 AM It's with Steven Conforti , IIRC. It's due, yes. I am waiting for it myself, hoping that it will allow dragon dsiicples to worship dragon deities

Dragon Disciples can worship dragon deities under the current document...

once they undergo apotheosis at lvl 10
<_<
>_>...
gomeztoo
05-11-07, 04:09 AM Full dragon disciples, yes, but with partial levels? I haven't seen that anywhere, unless I overlooked it. You either need to be a dragon, or have one of a set of feats (Draconic Heritage,　Dragon Friend, or Dragon Thrall, iirc).

As to the domain being Open: just ebcause it is, doesn't mean a current deity has to grant it. It merely means that if a deity (or a Prestige Class), ever does, that it can be selected.
King Kashue
05-11-07, 04:46 PM Full dragon disciples, yes, but with partial levels?

Maybe read my entire post...:rolleyes: :P :D
gomeztoo
05-12-07, 02:34 AM Maybe read my entire post...:rolleyes: :P :D

Meh. Nobody ever bothers with reading the small lettering.
King Kashue
05-12-07, 03:36 AM Meh. Nobody ever bothers with reading the small lettering.

Evidently ;)
Iswald
05-14-07, 09:42 AM Since the Blackwater domain is Open, my sorceress can use Limited Wish to duplicate some of its spells.

You can only duplicate the spells that you have access to. If you have access to the spells already, access to the domain doesn't help much. Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots.
kjenks
05-14-07, 10:07 AM You can only duplicate the spells that you have access to. If you have access to the spells already, access to the domain doesn't help much. Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots.

Where's that rule? I can't find anything like that in the LGCS.

LGCS, page 17
===
Limited wish: You must have access to a spell in order to
duplicate its effects.
===

LGCS, page 31
===
Open Domains
Blackwater (Sto)
===

That seems pretty cut-and-dried to me.

The only other thing I see apropos those rules is:

LGCS, page 20
===
Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to
all the spells in that domain as well?
A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not
normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those
spells as domain spells only.
===

None of those things seem to imply your statement that, "Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots."

Here's the domain:

BLACKWATER DOMAIN
Deities: Blibdoolpoolp, Sekolah, Yeathan
Granted Power: You are immune to pressure damage
from descending into even the greatest of oceanic
depths.
Blackwater Domain Spells
1 Cause Fear: One creature of 5 HD or less flees for
1d4 rounds.
2 Pressure Sphere*: Water pressure deals 4d6 damage
to submerged targets.
3 Evard’s Black Tentacles: Tentacles grapple all
within 20-ft. spread.
4 Transformation of the Deeps*: Grant water
breathing, darkvision, and pressure immunity to
one creature/3 levels.
5 Blackwater Tentacle*: Create blackwater tentacle
that attacks your foe.
6 Blackwater Taint*: Desecrate water, deal 1d6/2
levels negative energy damage, bestow a negative
level.
7 Dark Tide*: Infuse water over a large area
with negative energy, causing weakness and
1d6 damage/hour.
8 Maelstrom*: Conjures a deadly whirlpool to
suck in and batter foes.
9 Doom of the Seas*: Summons a fiendish
kraken under your command.
*New spell described in this chapter.

The only spell that really looks worth duplicating with a Limited Wish is Transformation of the Deeps. That could help the entire party (well, five of us) if we're suddenly plunged deep underwater.
Timlagor
05-14-07, 10:28 AM I think that the Domain is Open and anyone with the Domain can use the spells for their Domain Slots.

However the spells would need to be Open separately in order for you to be able to use them without also having the Domain.

If you think that's overly nice then I refer you to Britt's thoughts on variant Bracers of Armour.
kjenks
05-14-07, 01:20 PM I think that the Domain is Open and anyone with the Domain can use the spells for their Domain Slots.

However the spells would need to be Open separately in order for you to be able to use them without also having the Domain.

Again, I don't see any rules stating or implying that. Where does this come from? Be specific, please.

If you think that's overly nice then I refer you to Britt's thoughts on variant Bracers of Armour.

What thoughts are you refering to?

I searched the Q&A thread, but I couldn't find Britt's thoughts on those variant bracers.

I did find the question:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=759998&page=4#91
Iswald
05-15-07, 10:05 AM LGCS, page 20
===
Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to
all the spells in that domain as well?
A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not
normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those
spells as domain spells only.
===

You quoted the reason in your own post. A cleric with the blackwater domain can only use the limited spells from that domain with their domain slots. They cannot use them in their normal cleric spell slots. Making the domain open doesn't allow the same access as opening the spells.
kjenks
05-15-07, 10:37 AM Sure, I realize that I can't create a PC cleric who can cast the spells, but because the domain is Open, I should be able to use Limited Wish to duplicate a level 5 or lower divine spell cast by a cleric with the Blackwater domain.

If you know of any rules specifically preventing that, please give me a reference. Thanks!
Mommy was an Orc
05-15-07, 12:09 PM Sure, I realize that I can't create a PC cleric who can cast the spells, but because the domain is Open, I should be able to use Limited Wish to duplicate a level 5 or lower divine spell cast by a cleric with the Blackwater domain.

Limited Wish only gives you access to open spells. Those spells are only open to you if you cast it from a domain slot. Limited Wish doesn't grant you the ability to cast the spell as if you cast it from a domain slot.
_metz_
05-15-07, 12:12 PM Exactly, open domains doesn't mean: open spells. It means open as a DOMAIN choice. Hence you can use it as a domain spell, or with domain spontaneity. Or even Arcane Disciple.

But not limited wish.

That would be my interpretation of it, perhaps this is a good Question to be posted to Britt on the Q and A thread.
kjenks
05-15-07, 03:28 PM You might want to check that out again. The LG version of Limited Wish doesn't limit you to Open spells.
bitznarf
05-15-07, 03:32 PM "Limited wish: You must have access to a spell in order to duplicate its effects."
Thus, "Is X spell open to you?" "No." "Then you can't duplicate its effects."
kjenks
05-15-07, 03:47 PM You're just waving your hands there. The domain is Open.
bitznarf
05-15-07, 04:01 PM Right, the domain is open, and for the purpose of the domain slots for a cleric with the domain, the spell is open. Not for anything else.
kjenks
05-15-07, 05:51 PM What rule says that?
bitznarf
05-15-07, 06:04 PM You already quoted the rule earlier:
LGCS, page 20
===
Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to
all the spells in that domain as well?
A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not
normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those
spells as domain spells only.
===
Thus, having access to a domain is not enough to open the spell as a whole for the PC. Your PC has access to the Blackwater Domain. That does not mean that the spells contained within are open to your PC. And because Limited Wish can only duplicate the effects of spells that are open to your PC, the NONC ones on the Blackwater domain listed are not available for duplication without specific access.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
_metz_ 05-10-07, 02:56 AM	I am looking for a deity with this domain, as it's an open domain, and sounds like it will suit my Cleric cohort of my pirate (long story, ended up going with the cleric) Is there any help in this regard? The domain is open access, but the only gods I know of that allow it are evil (?!?), I was wondering if its been added to any non evil aquatic gods? Clearly it makes sense that it has been if its open, but I only have the LGCS deities document 2 to go off, and it doesn't have the Blackwater domain in it...
Shieldhart91 05-10-07, 03:41 AM	I've never even heard of the Blackwater Domain. Where is that from?
_metz_ 05-10-07, 03:50 AM	Its from Storm Wrack - has funky spells and seems cool. Also has Evards as a Domain Spell, as well as Transformation of the Deep, waterbreathing, darkvision, endure elements as one spell... (lasts hour/level)
JJeff 05-10-07, 04:37 AM	Unfortunately, there seems to be no current legal (Or even 'illegal') diety in the dieties document with that domain. Yes, it is open. Yes, No diety in LG grants it. Don't ask why, We'll just have to wait for the new Dieties document that was due ages ago.
_metz_ 05-10-07, 06:14 AM	2 Deities have it thanks to Stormwrack, issue is one is CE other is LE... It's really unfortunate, as I want to give it to my clerical cohort... are we allowed to be clerics of "causes" in LG? or did they disallow that for domain cheesiness... I do find it a little frustrating that the new LGCS is out but the corresponding deities document isn't...
gomeztoo 05-10-07, 07:22 AM	It's with Steven Conforti , IIRC. It's due, yes. I am waiting for it myself, hoping that it will allow dragon dsiicples to worship dragon deities, so I don't actually need a feat that I can technically not use (as it was updated in a book I don't have). Anyway, it doesn't sound like a domain most deities have. x I don't really know any... doesn't seem to fit Procan much, and I fear he comes closest. Sekolah, perhaps (but he's evil). Maybe a Touv or Olman deity.
_metz_ 05-10-07, 08:56 AM	Sekolah and Blibdoolpoolp have it according to Stormwrack, but it wouldn't be an open feat if some non evil gods weren't going to get it. Definitely doesn't seem very "good" godlike
bitznarf 05-10-07, 10:50 AM	I do find it a little frustrating that the new LGCS is out but the corresponding deities document isn't... It'll be out 'in a few days' from March 2nd, 2005
Howie23 05-10-07, 10:54 AM	It'll be out 'in a few days' from March 2nd, 2005 Oh, give 'em a break, Dale. :) Obviously, it either took on less priority than anticipated, or the project grew into something more extensive than the update originally anticipated. David
bitznarf 05-10-07, 10:55 AM	Yeah, I know. And I know they are volunteers. But I mean 'a few days' and it hasn't happened 2 years later?
Sieylianna 05-10-07, 05:43 PM	Yeah, I know. And I know they are volunteers. But I mean 'a few days' and it hasn't happened 2 years later? The circle apparently decided other things were a higher priority (like adaptables). I can get what I need out of the deities document and that is good enough for me. Ed
kjenks 05-10-07, 06:11 PM	Since the Blackwater domain is Open, my sorceress can use Limited Wish to duplicate some of its spells.
Shieldhart91 05-10-07, 08:50 PM	What's the granted power of the Blackwater domain? Is it as useful as the Magic or Glory domain? =P
JJeff 05-10-07, 09:02 PM	Oh, definately VERY useful. You become immune to damage from water pressure when you are descending to the depths of the ocean. That is so cool... [/sacarsm] Glory has a good domain abaility, but Magic.... Very seldom does a cleric have the spell on their spell list that is so unique that they would require a arcane magic device to use it, that they can't already use themselves without the item
_metz_ 05-10-07, 09:09 PM	The domain is mor for character and the spells at 3rd and 4th...
King Kashue 05-11-07, 12:12 AM	It's with Steven Conforti , IIRC. It's due, yes. I am waiting for it myself, hoping that it will allow dragon dsiicples to worship dragon deities Dragon Disciples can worship dragon deities under the current document... once they undergo apotheosis at lvl 10 <_< >_>...
gomeztoo 05-11-07, 04:09 AM	Full dragon disciples, yes, but with partial levels? I haven't seen that anywhere, unless I overlooked it. You either need to be a dragon, or have one of a set of feats (Draconic Heritage,　Dragon Friend, or Dragon Thrall, iirc). As to the domain being Open: just ebcause it is, doesn't mean a current deity has to grant it. It merely means that if a deity (or a Prestige Class), ever does, that it can be selected.
King Kashue 05-11-07, 04:46 PM	Full dragon disciples, yes, but with partial levels? Maybe read my entire post...:rolleyes: :P :D
gomeztoo 05-12-07, 02:34 AM	Maybe read my entire post...:rolleyes: :P :D Meh. Nobody ever bothers with reading the small lettering.
King Kashue 05-12-07, 03:36 AM	Meh. Nobody ever bothers with reading the small lettering. Evidently ;)
Iswald 05-14-07, 09:42 AM	Since the Blackwater domain is Open, my sorceress can use Limited Wish to duplicate some of its spells. You can only duplicate the spells that you have access to. If you have access to the spells already, access to the domain doesn't help much. Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots.
kjenks 05-14-07, 10:07 AM	You can only duplicate the spells that you have access to. If you have access to the spells already, access to the domain doesn't help much. Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots. Where's that rule? I can't find anything like that in the LGCS. LGCS, page 17 === Limited wish: You must have access to a spell in order to duplicate its effects. === LGCS, page 31 === Open Domains Blackwater (Sto) === That seems pretty cut-and-dried to me. The only other thing I see apropos those rules is: LGCS, page 20 === Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to all the spells in that domain as well? A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those spells as domain spells only. === None of those things seem to imply your statement that, "Only clerics with the domain have access to all the spells on it and then it's only for their domain slots." Here's the domain: BLACKWATER DOMAIN Deities: Blibdoolpoolp, Sekolah, Yeathan Granted Power: You are immune to pressure damage from descending into even the greatest of oceanic depths. Blackwater Domain Spells 1 Cause Fear: One creature of 5 HD or less flees for 1d4 rounds. 2 Pressure Sphere: Water pressure deals 4d6 damage to submerged targets. 3 Evard’s Black Tentacles: Tentacles grapple all within 20-ft. spread. 4 Transformation of the Deeps: Grant water breathing, darkvision, and pressure immunity to one creature/3 levels. 5 Blackwater Tentacle: Create blackwater tentacle that attacks your foe. 6 Blackwater Taint: Desecrate water, deal 1d6/2 levels negative energy damage, bestow a negative level. 7 Dark Tide: Infuse water over a large area with negative energy, causing weakness and 1d6 damage/hour. 8 Maelstrom: Conjures a deadly whirlpool to suck in and batter foes. 9 Doom of the Seas: Summons a fiendish kraken under your command. New spell described in this chapter. The only spell that really looks worth duplicating with a Limited Wish is Transformation of the Deeps. That could help the entire party (well, five of us) if we're suddenly plunged deep underwater.
Timlagor 05-14-07, 10:28 AM	I think that the Domain is Open and anyone with the Domain can use the spells for their Domain Slots. However the spells would need to be Open separately in order for you to be able to use them without also having the Domain. If you think that's overly nice then I refer you to Britt's thoughts on variant Bracers of Armour.
kjenks 05-14-07, 01:20 PM	I think that the Domain is Open and anyone with the Domain can use the spells for their Domain Slots. However the spells would need to be Open separately in order for you to be able to use them without also having the Domain. Again, I don't see any rules stating or implying that. Where does this come from? Be specific, please. If you think that's overly nice then I refer you to Britt's thoughts on variant Bracers of Armour. What thoughts are you refering to? I searched the Q&A thread, but I couldn't find Britt's thoughts on those variant bracers. I did find the question: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=759998&page=4#91
Iswald 05-15-07, 10:05 AM	LGCS, page 20 === Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to all the spells in that domain as well? A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those spells as domain spells only. === You quoted the reason in your own post. A cleric with the blackwater domain can only use the limited spells from that domain with their domain slots. They cannot use them in their normal cleric spell slots. Making the domain open doesn't allow the same access as opening the spells.
kjenks 05-15-07, 10:37 AM	Sure, I realize that I can't create a PC cleric who can cast the spells, but because the domain is Open, I should be able to use Limited Wish to duplicate a level 5 or lower divine spell cast by a cleric with the Blackwater domain. If you know of any rules specifically preventing that, please give me a reference. Thanks!
Mommy was an Orc 05-15-07, 12:09 PM	Sure, I realize that I can't create a PC cleric who can cast the spells, but because the domain is Open, I should be able to use Limited Wish to duplicate a level 5 or lower divine spell cast by a cleric with the Blackwater domain. Limited Wish only gives you access to open spells. Those spells are only open to you if you cast it from a domain slot. Limited Wish doesn't grant you the ability to cast the spell as if you cast it from a domain slot.
_metz_ 05-15-07, 12:12 PM	Exactly, open domains doesn't mean: open spells. It means open as a DOMAIN choice. Hence you can use it as a domain spell, or with domain spontaneity. Or even Arcane Disciple. But not limited wish. That would be my interpretation of it, perhaps this is a good Question to be posted to Britt on the Q and A thread.
kjenks 05-15-07, 03:28 PM	You might want to check that out again. The LG version of Limited Wish doesn't limit you to Open spells.
bitznarf 05-15-07, 03:32 PM	"Limited wish: You must have access to a spell in order to duplicate its effects." Thus, "Is X spell open to you?" "No." "Then you can't duplicate its effects."
kjenks 05-15-07, 03:47 PM	You're just waving your hands there. The domain is Open.
bitznarf 05-15-07, 04:01 PM	Right, the domain is open, and for the purpose of the domain slots for a cleric with the domain, the spell is open. Not for anything else.
kjenks 05-15-07, 05:51 PM	What rule says that?
bitznarf 05-15-07, 06:04 PM	You already quoted the rule earlier: LGCS, page 20 === Q: Does a cleric with access to a domain get access to all the spells in that domain as well? A: If a cleric has a domain that has spells that are not normally accessible to that PC, they receive access to those spells as domain spells only. === Thus, having access to a domain is not enough to open the spell as a whole for the PC. Your PC has access to the Blackwater Domain. That does not mean that the spells contained within are open to your PC. And because Limited Wish can only duplicate the effects of spells that are open to your PC, the NONC ones on the Blackwater domain listed are not available for duplication without specific access.