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Gaelforcwynd 03-18-07, 07:27 AM	I have a few questions regarding Domain spells. Firstly, can you prepare a class list spell in the Domain spell slot? Secondly, can you prepare a spell from a lower Domain slot in a higher Domain slot? Thirdly, if you can prepare a class list spell in a Domain slot, can you prepare a lower class list spell in a higher Domain slot? :) Also, when you are scribing scrolls of domain spells, and the domain Granted Power allows you to cast those spells with some modifier, such as a higher caster level, does the scroll reflect that benefit? Finally, when casting or scribing Domain spells using the Domain Spontaneity feat, do those spells also benefit from modifiers of that Domain's granted power?
cycloptic_squirrel 03-18-07, 07:50 AM	1) No (PHB 180) 2) Yes (PHB 180) 3) :eek: :confused: I don't know how to answer! :weep: 4) The scroll respresents the benefit of a higher caster level if you pay for it. If you're a 4th level cleric with the good domain, you can scribe a scroll of Protection from Evil with caster level 5, but the base cost will be 125 gp, i.e. you pay 62 gp and 5 xp. 5) I'm pretty sure caster level bumps granted by domains apply to all spells that fit the description, unless the specified otherwise. e.g. If you have the healing domain, cure light wounds is cast at +1 level, whether from a regular or a domain slot. It would not apply if cast from a wand or scroll, though.
Gaelforcwynd 03-18-07, 08:05 AM	4) The scroll respresents the benefit of a higher caster level if you pay for it. If you're a 4th level cleric with the good domain, you can scribe a scroll of Protection from Evil with caster level 5, but the base cost will be 125 gp, i.e. you pay 62 gp and 5 xp. 5) I'm pretty sure caster level bumps granted by domains apply to all spells that fit the description, unless the specified otherwise. e.g. If you have the healing domain, cure light wounds is cast at +1 level, whether from a regular or a domain slot. It would not apply if cast from a wand or scroll, though. So a 1st level Cleric with the Healing Domain can cast Cure Light Wounds from 1st level spell slot as if he were a 2nd level Cleric, but if he scribes it onto a scroll from a 1st level spell slot, does it becomes a 1st level spell when cast later by him, or just when cast by anyone else? :(
cycloptic_squirrel 03-18-07, 08:24 AM	So a 1st level Cleric with the Healing Domain can cast Cure Light Wounds from 1st level spell slot as if he were a 2nd level Cleric, but if he scribes it onto a scroll from a 1st level spell slot, does it becomes a 1st level spell when cast later by him, or just when cast by anyone else? :( Take a first level cleric (Bob) with the healing domain and scribe scroll. If Bob casts cure light wounds from a regular or domain slot, the spell is cast at caster level 2. If Bob casts the same spell using a scroll or a wand, the caster level is dependant on the scroll or wand (usually caster level 1). So, say Bob wants to scribe a scroll of cure light wounds. He can scribe it at caster level 1, paying 12.5 gp and 1 xp; he can also scribe it at caster level 2, but then he would have to pay 25 gp and 2 xp. When Bob or any other person uses that scroll, the spell is cast at whatever caster level Bob scribed it at. The basic formula for scrolls is caster level x spell level x 25 gp where the minimum caster level is the minimum needed by an average caster. Higher caster levels than the minimum usually aren't cost effective, though there are exceptions (magic missile, dispel magic, resist energy).
pedr 03-18-07, 08:46 AM	I believe that it is the caster level of a scroll which determines whether someone can cast it automatically or has to make a CL check. Admittedly it's a pretty easy one, but if a first level cleric scribes a scroll of CLW with a CL of 2, and lends it to another first level cleric without the Healing domain or any other way to boost their CL to 2, they would have to make a CL check to activate the scroll. So not always the smartest thing to do.
cetiken 03-18-07, 08:18 PM	I believe that it is the caster level of a scroll which determines whether someone can cast it automatically or has to make a CL check. Admittedly it's a pretty easy one, but if a first level cleric scribes a scroll of CLW with a CL of 2, and lends it to another first level cleric without the Healing domain or any other way to boost their CL to 2, they would have to make a CL check to activate the scroll. So not always the smartest thing to do. Yes, never mind the fact that you're paying the cost of two scrolls for +1 HP. Lets be concerned that some other caster (?) would have to make a caster level check with a DC of 3? Okay....
pedr 03-18-07, 08:52 PM	Hmm, yes. Maybe I'll reword it as "not ever the smartest thing to do! Perhaps there are spells where it would make more sense to craft them at the highest CL possible. Dispel Magic, for instance, or minute/level buffs. If you had a domain power (or whatever) that allowed you to craft those at a higher CL it might be worth the extra cost.
zoinks69 03-19-07, 02:52 AM	Thirdly, if you can prepare a class list spell in a Domain slot, can you prepare a lower class list spell in a higher Domain slot? :) Also, when you are scribing scrolls of domain spells, and the domain Granted Power allows you to cast those spells with some modifier, such as a higher caster level, does the scroll reflect that benefit? Finally, when casting or scribing Domain spells using the Domain Spontaneity feat, do those spells also benefit from modifiers of that Domain's granted power? You can, as far as I know, prepare a lower level domain spell in a higher level slot. I see no reason why you couldn't do this, though I know it's not the question you had. Scrolls can be scribed at higher caster level, but you pay the cost -- the Healing domain benefit wouldn't apply even if you were the one creating/casting them because they wouldn't be cast from your domain slot. Domain Spontaneity *should* apply. I know Pelorites use the feat to be able to crack off Empower/Maximize/both cures.
Timlagor 03-19-07, 07:17 AM	Domain benefits have nothing to do with which slot things are cast from. There is a difference between casting a memorised spell and one from a scroll however. How Domain Spontaneity and RSoP interact is a thoroughly grey area. People will rule everything from 'it's completely unnecessary -you get the effect anyway' to 'it doesn't even work'.