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control freak
07-06-07, 01:43 PM is there any LG class/PrC/animal companion type thing that allows a PC to control any type of dragon?

or for that matter any way to get one
Jay_Ibero_911
07-06-07, 02:24 PM is there any LG class/PrC/animal companion type thing that allows a PC to control any type of dragon?

or for that matter any way to get one

There is the Dragon Ally series of spells from the SpC. They are currently NONC, but if you are a cleric with the Dragon Domain, that opens up Dragon Ally as a 7th level spell for you. Costly, but it does let you basically have a pet dragon for a period of time. At 13th level for 9k and 250xp you can have an 18HD dragon ally for 13 days.
control freak
07-06-07, 04:57 PM so other then summon dragon ally at the cost of a mod( basicaly it is lol) what ways if any are there (is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic)
Jay_Ibero_911
07-06-07, 05:05 PM so other then summon dragon ally at the cost of a mod( basicaly it is lol) what ways if any are there (is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic)

Well with Improved Familiar you can have a Pseudodragon. Other than that anything else would require specific access.
just_be_glad_now
07-06-07, 05:16 PM It is technically NONC, but I know of a mod writer who submitted it and the access was pulled off the AR.

YkmMV.

Control Freak said:

"(is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic)"
bitznarf
07-06-07, 07:06 PM There is a Dragon Cohort feat, and I know of a mod that has given out access to the feat.

Edit: Oh, and shadow magic isn't closed, it is NONC.
trollbill
07-06-07, 08:06 PM There is also the Dracolyte prestige class which I have seen access to.
Donald_Cannith
07-08-07, 02:43 AM Also, in a wierd round about way cleric with Earth, fire, Air, cold, or water domain can possibly control a dragon via the Command function of rebuking
_metz_
07-08-07, 03:56 AM Also, in a wierd round about way cleric with Earth, fire, Air, cold, or water domain can possibly control a dragon via the Command function of rebuking

No it couldn't. Hit die scale up too far in those calculations.
boolean
07-08-07, 10:55 AM No it couldn't. Hit die scale up too far in those calculations.

That doesn't make it impossible, it just makes it unlikely. Sure, you'll never be able to use the ability on the APL +3 solo dragon encounter, but there are rare situations where the ability can be used.

For example, I've played a module where one encounter is with a newly hatched wymling. It doesn't scale with APL (it's not meant as a threatening combat encounter), but using the elemental domain's ability to turn or rebuke/control the dragon is one way to subdue it without causing permanent harm.

If you really wanted to, you could use Enervation to give a dragon enough negative levels that it could be controlled by a cleric. Just make sure you get rid of the dragon before the negative levels wear off.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
control freak 07-06-07, 01:43 PM	is there any LG class/PrC/animal companion type thing that allows a PC to control any type of dragon? or for that matter any way to get one
Jay_Ibero_911 07-06-07, 02:24 PM	is there any LG class/PrC/animal companion type thing that allows a PC to control any type of dragon? or for that matter any way to get one There is the Dragon Ally series of spells from the SpC. They are currently NONC, but if you are a cleric with the Dragon Domain, that opens up Dragon Ally as a 7th level spell for you. Costly, but it does let you basically have a pet dragon for a period of time. At 13th level for 9k and 250xp you can have an 18HD dragon ally for 13 days.
control freak 07-06-07, 04:57 PM	so other then summon dragon ally at the cost of a mod( basicaly it is lol) what ways if any are there (is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic)
Jay_Ibero_911 07-06-07, 05:05 PM	so other then summon dragon ally at the cost of a mod( basicaly it is lol) what ways if any are there (is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic) Well with Improved Familiar you can have a Pseudodragon. Other than that anything else would require specific access.
just_be_glad_now 07-06-07, 05:16 PM	It is technically NONC, but I know of a mod writer who submitted it and the access was pulled off the AR. YkmMV. Control Freak said: "(is dragon familiar NONC or is it more like closed as shadow magic)"
bitznarf 07-06-07, 07:06 PM	There is a Dragon Cohort feat, and I know of a mod that has given out access to the feat. Edit: Oh, and shadow magic isn't closed, it is NONC.
trollbill 07-06-07, 08:06 PM	There is also the Dracolyte prestige class which I have seen access to.
Donald_Cannith 07-08-07, 02:43 AM	Also, in a wierd round about way cleric with Earth, fire, Air, cold, or water domain can possibly control a dragon via the Command function of rebuking
_metz_ 07-08-07, 03:56 AM	Also, in a wierd round about way cleric with Earth, fire, Air, cold, or water domain can possibly control a dragon via the Command function of rebuking No it couldn't. Hit die scale up too far in those calculations.
boolean 07-08-07, 10:55 AM	No it couldn't. Hit die scale up too far in those calculations. That doesn't make it impossible, it just makes it unlikely. Sure, you'll never be able to use the ability on the APL +3 solo dragon encounter, but there are rare situations where the ability can be used. For example, I've played a module where one encounter is with a newly hatched wymling. It doesn't scale with APL (it's not meant as a threatening combat encounter), but using the elemental domain's ability to turn or rebuke/control the dragon is one way to subdue it without causing permanent harm. If you really wanted to, you could use Enervation to give a dragon enough negative levels that it could be controlled by a cleric. Just make sure you get rid of the dragon before the negative levels wear off.