favorite non phb class? [Archive] - Wizards Community

favorite non phb class? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LGMoses
02-05-07, 02:26 AM What is your favorite class that isn't in the PHB? I just got finished looking at scout myself.

What is your least favorite non phb class?

Why to both of these questions
Cynric
02-05-07, 04:09 AM Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells.
Mortepierre
02-05-07, 07:28 AM Agreed. The Rogue, as it stands, should be the mainly an urban class while the Scout is its "rural" counterpart.
cetiken
02-05-07, 03:29 PM Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells.

Scout better than Ranger because he can't cast spells? I don't get it. Unless you perhaps want to use two-weapon fighting with a Ranger? I'm still trying to figure out how the Scout is ever effective. So far I've seen one build that impresses me.

Personally I like the Beguiler a lot. But I think I've mentioned that a time or two hereabouts. Running a close second is the Knight who doesn't seem as strapped for stat points as the paladin while still being a 'Valiant warrior' type, and inherently good at getting the big baddie to pay no attention to the 'squishie' classes.
Lomiat
02-05-07, 03:39 PM I assume we're talking about the LG-legal base classes.

Favorite: Hexblade. I'm picking this one simply because it's one of two non-PHB base classes that any of my characters have (the other is marshal). It's got a nice flavor with its curses, and it offers a lot of benefits as a dip class (high Will save, full BAB, d10 hit die, "strange" fighter skills, curse, saves vs. magic, and mettle).

Least favorite: Scout. Mostly because most players I know are using the scout in builds to get the 1d6 skirmish damage when they'd be better served by taking other classes. I still think it's a decent class, but it just doesn't do as much for me as the others.
Rerednaw
02-05-07, 03:46 PM Assuming non-prestige classes.

Well, I do not like 'to-hit' rolls and I'm not terribly found of vancian magic so:

Dragonfire Adept.

His breath weapon doesn't need a to hit roll. Bad guys need to save.

And the invocations are like a warlocks, cast them all day long. There are limitations though. Some invocations can only have effect up at a time unlike their warlock counterparts.

If you pick the Magic Insight invocation you save a ton since you can do identify for free...as a standard action.

As my constantly near-broke wizard can attest, that is a great time/money saver...plus you don't have to stop a mod for an hour or more game time to actually figure out what magic items you found and can use before the end of the mod when they all turn back into pumpkins.

Besides...dragons are cool...very cool.

Second choice? Warlock. Same reasons as dragonfire adept. Wish they had access to Magic Insight. And that they didn't have to wait so long for their eldritch blast to be an area of effect (no to hit roll).

Third choice? The dragon shaman. An interesting support class, gimped to be sure, but still playable.

I'm hoping that CY597 will allow the dragon shaman. Warlock is pretty much out since they allowed only the Warmage. And if they didn't allow the Warlock (unless you're a BBEG, which makes NO sense to me balance-wise) the Dragonfire Adept is probably out too.

And any of the base classes from Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords. They introduced an entirely new mechanic (how maneuvers are granted to a crusader) and added a ton of flavor and tactical options to melee classes. Granted a PA Barbarian is still going to out-damage them most of the time.
bitznarf
02-05-07, 03:49 PM I think my favorite non-PHB PrC is probably Wild Mage, simply due to pure flavor. Now if only you could effectively combine Wild Mage and Alienist...

As for actual base classes I don't have any experience with any of the non LG base classes other then warlock. Now if I could find an effective way to play a Hexblade in LG I might just take a stab at it. As it is, I like the style of the Warlock, but they are not legal in LG, though I can totally understand why. On a side note, I think it is telling that the only base class added in NWN2 is the Warlock. The others just don't seem to add anything much to the game, at least the way I look at them.
LGMoses
02-06-07, 07:49 PM Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells.

I like both classes. What I like about scout is that it is pretty much a rural rogue. Its a rogue of the woods. I just wish levels stacked to determine what level of benefits you get so that if i multiclass scout/rogue I won't push back Hide in Plain Sight. Great class tho like I said.
LachlarlanIII
02-07-07, 05:36 PM Favorite: The Knight because I like the flavor of the stalwart defender, and now we have a class with abilities to make it possible.

Least Favorite: Prolly the RSoP just 'cause there's so many.
soonerpat
02-08-07, 11:46 PM Marshall.. I got to play with one last year at Origins.. at the upper levels with 3 barbarians in the party he changed the field considerably with his abilities...

was a lot of fun watching the roleplay as well...

soonerpat
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cycloptic_squirrel
02-09-07, 12:41 AM Commoner. The roleplaying oportunities abound! OK, maybe not. I'm just amused by the idea of attaching my PC to a paladin/noble type and playing the simpleton servent and using the Warcraft II responses -
"Huh, what?"
"I don't want to."
"Yes, meelord."
"OooK."

Might work ok for a few intros. Or usher in a TPK... Maybe I'd better size up table skill before I try this.
LachlarlanIII
02-09-07, 03:06 PM Commoner. The roleplaying oportunities abound! OK, maybe not. I'm just amused by the idea of attaching my PC to a paladin/noble type and playing the simpleton servent and using the Warcraft II responses -
"Huh, what?"
"I don't want to."
"Yes, meelord."
"OooK."

Might work ok for a few intros. Or usher in a TPK... Maybe I'd better size up table skill before I try this.

I think it'd be more fun to take the leadership feat and have your cohort be a Commoner.
Alpha_Nerd
02-09-07, 04:47 PM Or how about a commoner with the leadership feat and his cohort is more powerful than him?
Crazy Boro
02-09-07, 04:56 PM Might be fun to have an aristocrat with his butler/bodyguard.
LachlarlanIII
02-09-07, 05:19 PM Or how about a commoner with the leadership feat and his cohort is more powerful than him?

That would be awesome... Awesome to the max! :D
LachlarlanIII
02-09-07, 05:22 PM Ye gods! I just had a horrible thought!

Sometime, somewhere along the road we're going to see a Commoner with a Commoner cohort.... :eek:
Morgen
02-09-07, 11:59 PM I'm thinking of Aristocrat, maybe Beguiler added on to that. Take Landless Noble and try to force my way into major story points.
Paul H
02-11-07, 04:36 PM Hi

My favourite non PHB, LG legal class is Warmage. All that blaster casting - who needs Sorcerors? You even get to add great spells like Tensers' Floating Disk & Leomunds Tiny Hut to you spell list!

The Munchkin bit is for home games (non LG), where the Warmage has met Coatls, and goes Rainbow Servant. At 16th lvl he casts all spells from Warmage and Cleric spell lists, plus has spells & domain powers from Lawful, Good & Air. Not bad for a spontaneous caster, heh? ;)

Not sure about my least favourite, not over keen on that spontaneous divine caster from Complete Divine. Each to his/her own.........

Cheers
Paul H
Genghis Cohen
02-12-07, 05:50 PM I'm going with Beguiler. Why? Its the first non-PHB base class that has appealed to me. My LG Gnome Beguiler is just itching for that new LGCS to be made official so that he can play his first intro mod.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LGMoses 02-05-07, 02:26 AM	What is your favorite class that isn't in the PHB? I just got finished looking at scout myself. What is your least favorite non phb class? Why to both of these questions
Cynric 02-05-07, 04:09 AM	Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells.
Mortepierre 02-05-07, 07:28 AM	Agreed. The Rogue, as it stands, should be the mainly an urban class while the Scout is its "rural" counterpart.
cetiken 02-05-07, 03:29 PM	Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells. Scout better than Ranger because he can't cast spells? I don't get it. Unless you perhaps want to use two-weapon fighting with a Ranger? I'm still trying to figure out how the Scout is ever effective. So far I've seen one build that impresses me. Personally I like the Beguiler a lot. But I think I've mentioned that a time or two hereabouts. Running a close second is the Knight who doesn't seem as strapped for stat points as the paladin while still being a 'Valiant warrior' type, and inherently good at getting the big baddie to pay no attention to the 'squishie' classes.
Lomiat 02-05-07, 03:39 PM	I assume we're talking about the LG-legal base classes. Favorite: Hexblade. I'm picking this one simply because it's one of two non-PHB base classes that any of my characters have (the other is marshal). It's got a nice flavor with its curses, and it offers a lot of benefits as a dip class (high Will save, full BAB, d10 hit die, "strange" fighter skills, curse, saves vs. magic, and mettle). Least favorite: Scout. Mostly because most players I know are using the scout in builds to get the 1d6 skirmish damage when they'd be better served by taking other classes. I still think it's a decent class, but it just doesn't do as much for me as the others.
Rerednaw 02-05-07, 03:46 PM	Assuming non-prestige classes. Well, I do not like 'to-hit' rolls and I'm not terribly found of vancian magic so: Dragonfire Adept. His breath weapon doesn't need a to hit roll. Bad guys need to save. And the invocations are like a warlocks, cast them all day long. There are limitations though. Some invocations can only have effect up at a time unlike their warlock counterparts. If you pick the Magic Insight invocation you save a ton since you can do identify for free...as a standard action. As my constantly near-broke wizard can attest, that is a great time/money saver...plus you don't have to stop a mod for an hour or more game time to actually figure out what magic items you found and can use before the end of the mod when they all turn back into pumpkins. Besides...dragons are cool...very cool. Second choice? Warlock. Same reasons as dragonfire adept. Wish they had access to Magic Insight. And that they didn't have to wait so long for their eldritch blast to be an area of effect (no to hit roll). Third choice? The dragon shaman. An interesting support class, gimped to be sure, but still playable. I'm hoping that CY597 will allow the dragon shaman. Warlock is pretty much out since they allowed only the Warmage. And if they didn't allow the Warlock (unless you're a BBEG, which makes NO sense to me balance-wise) the Dragonfire Adept is probably out too. And any of the base classes from Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords. They introduced an entirely new mechanic (how maneuvers are granted to a crusader) and added a ton of flavor and tactical options to melee classes. Granted a PA Barbarian is still going to out-damage them most of the time.
bitznarf 02-05-07, 03:49 PM	I think my favorite non-PHB PrC is probably Wild Mage, simply due to pure flavor. Now if only you could effectively combine Wild Mage and Alienist... As for actual base classes I don't have any experience with any of the non LG base classes other then warlock. Now if I could find an effective way to play a Hexblade in LG I might just take a stab at it. As it is, I like the style of the Warlock, but they are not legal in LG, though I can totally understand why. On a side note, I think it is telling that the only base class added in NWN2 is the Warlock. The others just don't seem to add anything much to the game, at least the way I look at them.
LGMoses 02-06-07, 07:49 PM	Definately scout. Much better than ranger. Fairly well mimics the whole woodsey guy who does not cast spells. I like both classes. What I like about scout is that it is pretty much a rural rogue. Its a rogue of the woods. I just wish levels stacked to determine what level of benefits you get so that if i multiclass scout/rogue I won't push back Hide in Plain Sight. Great class tho like I said.
LachlarlanIII 02-07-07, 05:36 PM	Favorite: The Knight because I like the flavor of the stalwart defender, and now we have a class with abilities to make it possible. Least Favorite: Prolly the RSoP just 'cause there's so many.
soonerpat 02-08-07, 11:46 PM	Marshall.. I got to play with one last year at Origins.. at the upper levels with 3 barbarians in the party he changed the field considerably with his abilities... was a lot of fun watching the roleplay as well... soonerpat moticon
cycloptic_squirrel 02-09-07, 12:41 AM	Commoner. The roleplaying oportunities abound! OK, maybe not. I'm just amused by the idea of attaching my PC to a paladin/noble type and playing the simpleton servent and using the Warcraft II responses - "Huh, what?" "I don't want to." "Yes, meelord." "OooK." Might work ok for a few intros. Or usher in a TPK... Maybe I'd better size up table skill before I try this.
LachlarlanIII 02-09-07, 03:06 PM	Commoner. The roleplaying oportunities abound! OK, maybe not. I'm just amused by the idea of attaching my PC to a paladin/noble type and playing the simpleton servent and using the Warcraft II responses - "Huh, what?" "I don't want to." "Yes, meelord." "OooK." Might work ok for a few intros. Or usher in a TPK... Maybe I'd better size up table skill before I try this. I think it'd be more fun to take the leadership feat and have your cohort be a Commoner.
Alpha_Nerd 02-09-07, 04:47 PM	Or how about a commoner with the leadership feat and his cohort is more powerful than him?
Crazy Boro 02-09-07, 04:56 PM	Might be fun to have an aristocrat with his butler/bodyguard.
LachlarlanIII 02-09-07, 05:19 PM	Or how about a commoner with the leadership feat and his cohort is more powerful than him? That would be awesome... Awesome to the max! :D
LachlarlanIII 02-09-07, 05:22 PM	Ye gods! I just had a horrible thought! Sometime, somewhere along the road we're going to see a Commoner with a Commoner cohort.... :eek:
Morgen 02-09-07, 11:59 PM	I'm thinking of Aristocrat, maybe Beguiler added on to that. Take Landless Noble and try to force my way into major story points.
Paul H 02-11-07, 04:36 PM	Hi My favourite non PHB, LG legal class is Warmage. All that blaster casting - who needs Sorcerors? You even get to add great spells like Tensers' Floating Disk & Leomunds Tiny Hut to you spell list! The Munchkin bit is for home games (non LG), where the Warmage has met Coatls, and goes Rainbow Servant. At 16th lvl he casts all spells from Warmage and Cleric spell lists, plus has spells & domain powers from Lawful, Good & Air. Not bad for a spontaneous caster, heh? ;) Not sure about my least favourite, not over keen on that spontaneous divine caster from Complete Divine. Each to his/her own......... Cheers Paul H
Genghis Cohen 02-12-07, 05:50 PM	I'm going with Beguiler. Why? Its the first non-PHB base class that has appealed to me. My LG Gnome Beguiler is just itching for that new LGCS to be made official so that he can play his first intro mod.