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Post/Author/DateTime Post
Gwumph
11-21-06, 09:59 PM I have got to make a big decision on my weapon. A Lance

Do I hold out for Ironwood acess or go for the Starmetal. I have Starmetal access but thats alot of money to drop just to buy a new weapon later on.

So has anyone seen Ironwood access in either a Core or Perrenland Mod.

(i know there are a tonne of perrenlanders on this forum)

I don't need to know name, just if there is current legal mod that grants favor/access to ironwood.

Cheers
Gwumph

p.s. Would the starmetal +1D6 to outsiders be doubled if charging with my lance?
Jay_Ibero_911
11-21-06, 10:30 PM Why so eager for ironwood access? And as far as the extra damage from starmetal, I don't think it would be, as you never multiply extra dice, only base damage dice and any numeric damage...
_m_
11-21-06, 10:45 PM Why so eager for ironwood access? And as far as the extra damage from starmetal, I don't think it would be, as you never multiply extra dice, only base damage dice and any numeric damage...

yeah, lances are abbout the only weapon that +2 is better than +d* enhancement.
Gwumph
11-21-06, 11:30 PM Thats what I thought, But I could hope!!

As for why so eager Ironwood access. I saved our druids life the other day and he has agreed to memorize and cast brambles every mod we adventure together.

At 5th lv. that equals an extra 15 points per charge. (Raising my minimum damage from 42 points to 57 points per hit)

So as you can see getting and Ironwood masterwork lance would be uber awesome!!!

Anyone???? has Anyone ever seen a favor that allows for Ironwood weapons?? Please:bow:

Gwumph
UMiskatonic
11-21-06, 11:41 PM Couldn't you use a lance made of normal, everyday wood? You've already got access to a +1 version of that.
_m_
11-21-06, 11:45 PM especially given that lances were, in fact, made of wood.

incidentally, if you rummage around a bit, theres a 200ish post long thread on this exact topic that died about a week and a half ago.
Gwumph
11-21-06, 11:56 PM Read that post

The agreement was that the "striking surface" of the lance needs to be wood, and a normal lance uses steel.

If I had a lance made entirely form wood then it wouldn't do any damage, it would just be like a practice lance.

So I need to get the Steel head at the end of lance made from ironwood for the brambles spell to work properly.
_m_
11-22-06, 12:05 AM Read that post

The agreement was that the "striking surface" of the lance needs to be wood, and a normal lance uses steel.

If I had a lance made entirely form wood then it wouldn't do any damage, it would just be like a practice lance.

So I need to get the Steel head at the end of lance made from ironwood for the brambles spell to work properly.

ok firstly, you could just take the metal head off. secondly, it dosent state that it specifically has to have said metal tip...

and thirdly... what on earth inspired the decision that a lance made entirely from wood wouldnt do any damage!?

every single type of heavy cavalry in history used lances made out of wood... and they KILLED people with them.

in fact by and large, right up until guns where invented, a heavy cavalry charge from knights using wooden lances was single handedly the most devestating thing that could befall your army, other than fighting the romans.

sorry, got a little irate there... wooden lances DO, in fact, do damage.

[Edit] it has occoured to me that you may be implying that without a metal tip, it would do no damage, in which case, i may have over-reacted.

however, it would still do MASSIVE damage with no metal tip. a sharpened stake, 10 feet long, sharpened, as thick as your fist, going through someones chest... would HURT THEM. metal or not, a shapened object being rammed with massive force into some part of your anatomy is not going to tickle.
clannagh
11-22-06, 12:28 AM Personally I tend to ignore threads discussing D&D weapons based on "real" medieval weapons because:

- the participants with rare exceptions get most of their facts from movies

- D&D has only very spurious connections with reality, take hitpoints for example, how does killing lots of stuff make you somehow immune (after 20 or so levels) to death when falling out of a 10 storey window ?

From a game point of view, email your triad first and get a ruling as to whether you actually need the ironwood equivalent or can use a normal lance ... and if you do needironwood request a special mission to give you access to it.
Britt
11-22-06, 12:49 AM Special missions cannot give access to items.
jstorrie
11-22-06, 03:39 PM Lances are simply not 'wooden items' by RAW so you would need Ironwood access to get a Brambled/Spiked lance going. I wouldn't spend the extra on a starmetal lance, though. Cold iron is fine for a lance, you're going to be overcoming damage resistance with sheer force when you charge anyway. Save the starmetal cash for your on-foot weapon.
UMiskatonic
11-22-06, 04:12 PM Jstorrie,

Where did you find a reference that says 'lances are not wooden items'? I looked, and must have missed it.

Picture in the PHB looks wooden to me.

Lances do damage because they concentrate the kinetic energy of a galloping horse + rider + armor into a 3-inch square. Wood or otherwise.
_m_
11-22-06, 06:06 PM Lances do damage because they concentrate the kinetic energy of a galloping horse + rider + armor into a 3-inch square. Wood or otherwise.

yeah. thats what i was trying to say.
Gwumph
11-22-06, 10:01 PM Well m (notice small caps)

The Perrenland Triad has spoken

"In Perrenland, the lance has a *metal* tip (so is unable to be used by
druids - even with proficiency). As a Perrender, you would follow this
premise wherever you travelled.

Regards,

Bruce Paris
Perrenland Triad Representative
Cairns, Australia "

As such back to the orginal question!! Has anyone everseen Ironwood access for weapons!

Cheers
Gwumph
_m_
11-22-06, 10:38 PM Well m (notice small caps)

YAY! well done. :cheer:

as for the rest of the post, yup, that basically shuts me up.

and nope, in 100+ AR's ive never once seen ironwood anything.
RedKnightofKet
11-22-06, 10:57 PM There is no restriction in 3.5 against druids using metal weapons. They can use a scimitar, among others (trust me, I'm from Ket - scimitars are GREAT druid weapons... not that my druid ever uses weapons, but whatever).

Just no funky spells on said lance, and either multi-classing or weapon proficiency in lance is required.

Well m (notice small caps)

The Perrenland Triad has spoken

"In Perrenland, the lance has a *metal* tip (so is unable to be used by
druids - even with proficiency). As a Perrender, you would follow this
premise wherever you travelled.

Regards,

Bruce Paris
Perrenland Triad Representative
Cairns, Australia "

As such back to the orginal question!! Has anyone everseen Ironwood access for weapons!

Cheers
Gwumph
clannagh
11-22-06, 11:27 PM The whole 3.0 versus 3.5 druids and metal thing has caused a few problems before.

I know of one poster who started and continued a 3 month argument about animal companians wearing metal barding based pretty much on his 3.0 understanding of druids and his limited knowledge of the way they had changed in 3.5.

Metal is not as much an anathema to druids as it once was.
_m_
11-22-06, 11:41 PM dosent blood have iron in it? thatd be kind of a downer if they had to get rid of that.

but yeah, they can use metal weapons. though if the lance tips metal, then no brambly goodness on it i guess.
Gwumph
11-23-06, 12:09 AM Waaahh:weep:

I want my brambly goodness, really really want it. D@mn!!!

Well that leads to another question. What should I magic my lance with??

Puggle any suggestions (since I know u are "The" mounted character for Perrenland) But I must warn you, Gwumph is hard on Puggles heels. LOL
UMiskatonic
11-23-06, 10:33 AM Umm, greater magic weapon, flame of faith, bull strength, magic weapon, sonic weapon, heroism, divine favor should all work, and that's not a complete list.

The good side is that lances can't be both ways. If they are made out of a significant amount of metal, then you can have a silver lance, a cold iron lance, etc. If the judge rules that 'lances are mostly wood', then say OK. And cast brambles.

Rhino's rush is good if you can get access.

If you cast enlarge person yourself, I do believe you can share it with your special mount and you'll both move up a size.
_m_
11-23-06, 06:08 PM Umm, greater magic weapon, flame of faith, bull strength, magic weapon, sonic weapon, heroism, divine favor should all work, and that's not a complete list.

The good side is that lances can't be both ways. If they are made out of a significant amount of metal, then you can have a silver lance, a cold iron lance, etc. If the judge rules that 'lances are mostly wood', then say OK. And cast brambles.

Rhino's rush is good if you can get access.

If you cast enlarge person yourself, I do believe you can share it with your special mount and you'll both move up a size.

you could only share it if it was a legitimate target... so unless you're mounting a humanoid, it wont work.
Cynric
11-23-06, 06:20 PM Which if you are a druid, it is. The sidebar says any spell cast by you can be shared. It does not metion divine only. Ok so you need some wizard levels but arcane hierophants then get an effective animal growth earlier than a pure druid.
_m_
11-23-06, 06:29 PM Which if you are a druid, it is. The sidebar says any spell cast by you can be shared. It does not metion divine only. Ok so you need some wizard levels but arcane hierophants then get an effective animal growth earlier than a pure druid.

what? wait... im confused, were you saying that you are mounting a humanoid as a druid? enlarge person wont work on a special mount... because it isnt a person.
Cynric
11-23-06, 07:40 PM If it is your animal companion it will, providing you cast it. The sidebar says any spell you cast can effect you companion as well. It says nothing about divine or arcane. From memory, it only states that it must have certain targets, and I do not beleive type is one of them.
_m_
11-23-06, 07:46 PM If it is your animal companion it will, providing you cast it. The sidebar says any spell you cast can effect you companion as well. It says nothing about divine or arcane. From memory, it only states that it must have certain targets, and I do not beleive type is one of them.

so you could share alter self, or polymorph, or nightstalkers transformation, with your pet?
Cynric
11-23-06, 08:01 PM I beleive so. The exact wording is the important thing and I do not have my PHB with me now, so go and have agood look at it under the animal companion sidebar.
_m_
11-23-06, 08:08 PM I beleive so. The exact wording is the important thing and I do not have my PHB with me now, so go and have agood look at it under the animal companion sidebar.

i cant lol, im at work.
Puggle Halfwine
11-24-06, 01:07 AM Waaahh:weep:

I want my brambly goodness, really really want it. D@mn!!!

Well that leads to another question. What should I magic my lance with??

Puggle any suggestions (since I know u are "The" mounted character for Perrenland) But I must warn you, Gwumph is hard on Puggles heels. LOL

Haha! Well, I welcome the chance to play together. Two mounted characters makes things... interesting!

In my opinion, you should magic your lance with magic; a +4 lance does more damage and has a better chance to hit than a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance because your d6's don't multiply. The average roll for a d6 is 3.5, but with spirited charge each "+1" you add to your lance adds a total of +3 to your damage roll; however, you're also gaining +3 to your to-hit, which effectively means +3 more power attack. If you two-hand your lance, every point of power attack you have gives you +6 extra damage; so a +4 lance does an extra 27 damage, while a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance only does an extra 19.5... and your +4 lance will work all the time and not be subject to energy resistance, plus have a lot more hardness/hit points if it get sundered. Plus access is easier to come by (IMHO). All around a better choice.

As for special materials, to be honest, with the sheer amount of damage a charging character does in a single hit I've rarely had a problem with Damage Reduction. DR 5 or even DR 10 really doesn't matter much when you're doing 80+ damage a hit. Still, if you've got the money to burn, do it... in that case I'd recommend starmetal for just the little extra damage, or ironwood if you definately play with a druid all the time (who'll cast that spell for you).
_m_
11-26-06, 05:20 PM Haha! Well, I welcome the chance to play together. Two mounted characters makes things... interesting!

In my opinion, you should magic your lance with magic; a +4 lance does more damage and has a better chance to hit than a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance because your d6's don't multiply. The average roll for a d6 is 3.5, but with spirited charge each "+1" you add to your lance adds a total of +3 to your damage roll; however, you're also gaining +3 to your to-hit, which effectively means +3 more power attack. If you two-hand your lance, every point of power attack you have gives you +6 extra damage; so a +4 lance does an extra 27 damage, while a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance only does an extra 19.5... and your +4 lance will work all the time and not be subject to energy resistance, plus have a lot more hardness/hit points if it get sundered. Plus access is easier to come by (IMHO). All around a better choice.

As for special materials, to be honest, with the sheer amount of damage a charging character does in a single hit I've rarely had a problem with Damage Reduction. DR 5 or even DR 10 really doesn't matter much when you're doing 80+ damage a hit. Still, if you've got the money to burn, do it... in that case I'd recommend starmetal for just the little extra damage, or ironwood if you definately play with a druid all the time (who'll cast that spell for you).

or thinuan... if you die an awfull lot :D
Japangirl
11-26-06, 05:58 PM The purpose of thinaun is to perma-kill NPCs, not make your rez costs cheaper.
Britt
11-26-06, 06:02 PM If you die 3 or 4 times (I forget the break point), it actually saves money!
_m_
11-26-06, 06:03 PM The purpose of thinaun is to perma-kill NPCs, not make your rez costs cheaper.

yeah, i know what its MEANT to do, but really, how often have you had trouble making an npc permenantly dead? in all the games ive played, not once has one of the npcs needed to be thinuan perma-slayed.
Japangirl
11-26-06, 06:08 PM Oh lots of trouble perma-killing certain NPCs not to be named. They must be slain at interactives in anti-magic fields or with thinaun to ensure their death.

Triads using Crafted Contingencies is sooooo cheating!
_m_
11-26-06, 06:13 PM Oh lots of trouble perma-killing certain NPCs not to be named. They must be slain at interactives in anti-magic fields or with thinaun to ensure their death.

Triads using Crafted Contingencies is sooooo cheating!

lol. you could always not kill them... just, oh i dont know, trap them somewhere... somewhere permenant.
Japangirl
11-26-06, 06:14 PM lol. you could always not kill them... just, oh i dont know, trap them somewhere... somewhere permenant.

9th level spells from 15th level characters? I don't think we can do that. Not to mention they have a deity looking out for them who *can* and probably would find them and let them back out of the imprisonment.
_m_
11-26-06, 06:18 PM 9th level spells from 15th level characters? I don't think we can do that. Not to mention they have a deity looking out for them who *can* and probably would find them and let them back out of the imprisonment.

oh... i was just thinking of leavin them downstairs in the madhouse... but yeah, level 9 spells would also be nice. :D
Japangirl
11-26-06, 06:21 PM Haha. But I'm sure they have a contingencied Break Enchantment for if they get, umm, altered in the way the madhouse messes with people, not to mention the saves on those guys are fairly absurd and they probably wouldn't even get affected.

And if they did get affected, they'd have a crafted contingency to greater teleport themselves home where someone could fix it. And it only takes a week for the house to let you go! I told you crafted contingencies were cheating!
_m_
11-26-06, 06:22 PM Haha. But I'm sure they have a contingencied Break Enchantment for if they get, umm, altered in the way the madhouse messes with people, not to mention the saves on those guys are fairly absurd and they probably wouldn't even get affected.

i dunno, i rekon gem and alvin together could crack just about anyone.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Gwumph 11-21-06, 09:59 PM	I have got to make a big decision on my weapon. A Lance Do I hold out for Ironwood acess or go for the Starmetal. I have Starmetal access but thats alot of money to drop just to buy a new weapon later on. So has anyone seen Ironwood access in either a Core or Perrenland Mod. (i know there are a tonne of perrenlanders on this forum) I don't need to know name, just if there is current legal mod that grants favor/access to ironwood. Cheers Gwumph p.s. Would the starmetal +1D6 to outsiders be doubled if charging with my lance?
Jay_Ibero_911 11-21-06, 10:30 PM	Why so eager for ironwood access? And as far as the extra damage from starmetal, I don't think it would be, as you never multiply extra dice, only base damage dice and any numeric damage...
_m_ 11-21-06, 10:45 PM	Why so eager for ironwood access? And as far as the extra damage from starmetal, I don't think it would be, as you never multiply extra dice, only base damage dice and any numeric damage... yeah, lances are abbout the only weapon that +2 is better than +d* enhancement.
Gwumph 11-21-06, 11:30 PM	Thats what I thought, But I could hope!! As for why so eager Ironwood access. I saved our druids life the other day and he has agreed to memorize and cast brambles every mod we adventure together. At 5th lv. that equals an extra 15 points per charge. (Raising my minimum damage from 42 points to 57 points per hit) So as you can see getting and Ironwood masterwork lance would be uber awesome!!! Anyone???? has Anyone ever seen a favor that allows for Ironwood weapons?? Please:bow: Gwumph
UMiskatonic 11-21-06, 11:41 PM	Couldn't you use a lance made of normal, everyday wood? You've already got access to a +1 version of that.
_m_ 11-21-06, 11:45 PM	especially given that lances were, in fact, made of wood. incidentally, if you rummage around a bit, theres a 200ish post long thread on this exact topic that died about a week and a half ago.
Gwumph 11-21-06, 11:56 PM	Read that post The agreement was that the "striking surface" of the lance needs to be wood, and a normal lance uses steel. If I had a lance made entirely form wood then it wouldn't do any damage, it would just be like a practice lance. So I need to get the Steel head at the end of lance made from ironwood for the brambles spell to work properly.
_m_ 11-22-06, 12:05 AM	Read that post The agreement was that the "striking surface" of the lance needs to be wood, and a normal lance uses steel. If I had a lance made entirely form wood then it wouldn't do any damage, it would just be like a practice lance. So I need to get the Steel head at the end of lance made from ironwood for the brambles spell to work properly. ok firstly, you could just take the metal head off. secondly, it dosent state that it specifically has to have said metal tip... and thirdly... what on earth inspired the decision that a lance made entirely from wood wouldnt do any damage!? every single type of heavy cavalry in history used lances made out of wood... and they KILLED people with them. in fact by and large, right up until guns where invented, a heavy cavalry charge from knights using wooden lances was single handedly the most devestating thing that could befall your army, other than fighting the romans. sorry, got a little irate there... wooden lances DO, in fact, do damage. [Edit] it has occoured to me that you may be implying that without a metal tip, it would do no damage, in which case, i may have over-reacted. however, it would still do MASSIVE damage with no metal tip. a sharpened stake, 10 feet long, sharpened, as thick as your fist, going through someones chest... would HURT THEM. metal or not, a shapened object being rammed with massive force into some part of your anatomy is not going to tickle.
clannagh 11-22-06, 12:28 AM	Personally I tend to ignore threads discussing D&D weapons based on "real" medieval weapons because: - the participants with rare exceptions get most of their facts from movies - D&D has only very spurious connections with reality, take hitpoints for example, how does killing lots of stuff make you somehow immune (after 20 or so levels) to death when falling out of a 10 storey window ? From a game point of view, email your triad first and get a ruling as to whether you actually need the ironwood equivalent or can use a normal lance ... and if you do needironwood request a special mission to give you access to it.
Britt 11-22-06, 12:49 AM	Special missions cannot give access to items.
jstorrie 11-22-06, 03:39 PM	Lances are simply not 'wooden items' by RAW so you would need Ironwood access to get a Brambled/Spiked lance going. I wouldn't spend the extra on a starmetal lance, though. Cold iron is fine for a lance, you're going to be overcoming damage resistance with sheer force when you charge anyway. Save the starmetal cash for your on-foot weapon.
UMiskatonic 11-22-06, 04:12 PM	Jstorrie, Where did you find a reference that says 'lances are not wooden items'? I looked, and must have missed it. Picture in the PHB looks wooden to me. Lances do damage because they concentrate the kinetic energy of a galloping horse + rider + armor into a 3-inch square. Wood or otherwise.
_m_ 11-22-06, 06:06 PM	Lances do damage because they concentrate the kinetic energy of a galloping horse + rider + armor into a 3-inch square. Wood or otherwise. yeah. thats what i was trying to say.
Gwumph 11-22-06, 10:01 PM	Well m (notice small caps) The Perrenland Triad has spoken "In Perrenland, the lance has a metal tip (so is unable to be used by druids - even with proficiency). As a Perrender, you would follow this premise wherever you travelled. Regards, Bruce Paris Perrenland Triad Representative Cairns, Australia " As such back to the orginal question!! Has anyone everseen Ironwood access for weapons! Cheers Gwumph
_m_ 11-22-06, 10:38 PM	Well m (notice small caps) YAY! well done. :cheer: as for the rest of the post, yup, that basically shuts me up. and nope, in 100+ AR's ive never once seen ironwood anything.
RedKnightofKet 11-22-06, 10:57 PM	There is no restriction in 3.5 against druids using metal weapons. They can use a scimitar, among others (trust me, I'm from Ket - scimitars are GREAT druid weapons... not that my druid ever uses weapons, but whatever). Just no funky spells on said lance, and either multi-classing or weapon proficiency in lance is required. Well m (notice small caps) The Perrenland Triad has spoken "In Perrenland, the lance has a metal tip (so is unable to be used by druids - even with proficiency). As a Perrender, you would follow this premise wherever you travelled. Regards, Bruce Paris Perrenland Triad Representative Cairns, Australia " As such back to the orginal question!! Has anyone everseen Ironwood access for weapons! Cheers Gwumph
clannagh 11-22-06, 11:27 PM	The whole 3.0 versus 3.5 druids and metal thing has caused a few problems before. I know of one poster who started and continued a 3 month argument about animal companians wearing metal barding based pretty much on his 3.0 understanding of druids and his limited knowledge of the way they had changed in 3.5. Metal is not as much an anathema to druids as it once was.
_m_ 11-22-06, 11:41 PM	dosent blood have iron in it? thatd be kind of a downer if they had to get rid of that. but yeah, they can use metal weapons. though if the lance tips metal, then no brambly goodness on it i guess.
Gwumph 11-23-06, 12:09 AM	Waaahh:weep: I want my brambly goodness, really really want it. D@mn!!! Well that leads to another question. What should I magic my lance with?? Puggle any suggestions (since I know u are "The" mounted character for Perrenland) But I must warn you, Gwumph is hard on Puggles heels. LOL
UMiskatonic 11-23-06, 10:33 AM	Umm, greater magic weapon, flame of faith, bull strength, magic weapon, sonic weapon, heroism, divine favor should all work, and that's not a complete list. The good side is that lances can't be both ways. If they are made out of a significant amount of metal, then you can have a silver lance, a cold iron lance, etc. If the judge rules that 'lances are mostly wood', then say OK. And cast brambles. Rhino's rush is good if you can get access. If you cast enlarge person yourself, I do believe you can share it with your special mount and you'll both move up a size.
_m_ 11-23-06, 06:08 PM	Umm, greater magic weapon, flame of faith, bull strength, magic weapon, sonic weapon, heroism, divine favor should all work, and that's not a complete list. The good side is that lances can't be both ways. If they are made out of a significant amount of metal, then you can have a silver lance, a cold iron lance, etc. If the judge rules that 'lances are mostly wood', then say OK. And cast brambles. Rhino's rush is good if you can get access. If you cast enlarge person yourself, I do believe you can share it with your special mount and you'll both move up a size. you could only share it if it was a legitimate target... so unless you're mounting a humanoid, it wont work.
Cynric 11-23-06, 06:20 PM	Which if you are a druid, it is. The sidebar says any spell cast by you can be shared. It does not metion divine only. Ok so you need some wizard levels but arcane hierophants then get an effective animal growth earlier than a pure druid.
_m_ 11-23-06, 06:29 PM	Which if you are a druid, it is. The sidebar says any spell cast by you can be shared. It does not metion divine only. Ok so you need some wizard levels but arcane hierophants then get an effective animal growth earlier than a pure druid. what? wait... im confused, were you saying that you are mounting a humanoid as a druid? enlarge person wont work on a special mount... because it isnt a person.
Cynric 11-23-06, 07:40 PM	If it is your animal companion it will, providing you cast it. The sidebar says any spell you cast can effect you companion as well. It says nothing about divine or arcane. From memory, it only states that it must have certain targets, and I do not beleive type is one of them.
_m_ 11-23-06, 07:46 PM	If it is your animal companion it will, providing you cast it. The sidebar says any spell you cast can effect you companion as well. It says nothing about divine or arcane. From memory, it only states that it must have certain targets, and I do not beleive type is one of them. so you could share alter self, or polymorph, or nightstalkers transformation, with your pet?
Cynric 11-23-06, 08:01 PM	I beleive so. The exact wording is the important thing and I do not have my PHB with me now, so go and have agood look at it under the animal companion sidebar.
_m_ 11-23-06, 08:08 PM	I beleive so. The exact wording is the important thing and I do not have my PHB with me now, so go and have agood look at it under the animal companion sidebar. i cant lol, im at work.
Puggle Halfwine 11-24-06, 01:07 AM	Waaahh:weep: I want my brambly goodness, really really want it. D@mn!!! Well that leads to another question. What should I magic my lance with?? Puggle any suggestions (since I know u are "The" mounted character for Perrenland) But I must warn you, Gwumph is hard on Puggles heels. LOL Haha! Well, I welcome the chance to play together. Two mounted characters makes things... interesting! In my opinion, you should magic your lance with magic; a +4 lance does more damage and has a better chance to hit than a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance because your d6's don't multiply. The average roll for a d6 is 3.5, but with spirited charge each "+1" you add to your lance adds a total of +3 to your damage roll; however, you're also gaining +3 to your to-hit, which effectively means +3 more power attack. If you two-hand your lance, every point of power attack you have gives you +6 extra damage; so a +4 lance does an extra 27 damage, while a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance only does an extra 19.5... and your +4 lance will work all the time and not be subject to energy resistance, plus have a lot more hardness/hit points if it get sundered. Plus access is easier to come by (IMHO). All around a better choice. As for special materials, to be honest, with the sheer amount of damage a charging character does in a single hit I've rarely had a problem with Damage Reduction. DR 5 or even DR 10 really doesn't matter much when you're doing 80+ damage a hit. Still, if you've got the money to burn, do it... in that case I'd recommend starmetal for just the little extra damage, or ironwood if you definately play with a druid all the time (who'll cast that spell for you).
_m_ 11-26-06, 05:20 PM	Haha! Well, I welcome the chance to play together. Two mounted characters makes things... interesting! In my opinion, you should magic your lance with magic; a +4 lance does more damage and has a better chance to hit than a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance because your d6's don't multiply. The average roll for a d6 is 3.5, but with spirited charge each "+1" you add to your lance adds a total of +3 to your damage roll; however, you're also gaining +3 to your to-hit, which effectively means +3 more power attack. If you two-hand your lance, every point of power attack you have gives you +6 extra damage; so a +4 lance does an extra 27 damage, while a +1 frost, flaming, acidic lance only does an extra 19.5... and your +4 lance will work all the time and not be subject to energy resistance, plus have a lot more hardness/hit points if it get sundered. Plus access is easier to come by (IMHO). All around a better choice. As for special materials, to be honest, with the sheer amount of damage a charging character does in a single hit I've rarely had a problem with Damage Reduction. DR 5 or even DR 10 really doesn't matter much when you're doing 80+ damage a hit. Still, if you've got the money to burn, do it... in that case I'd recommend starmetal for just the little extra damage, or ironwood if you definately play with a druid all the time (who'll cast that spell for you). or thinuan... if you die an awfull lot :D
Japangirl 11-26-06, 05:58 PM	The purpose of thinaun is to perma-kill NPCs, not make your rez costs cheaper.
Britt 11-26-06, 06:02 PM	If you die 3 or 4 times (I forget the break point), it actually saves money!
_m_ 11-26-06, 06:03 PM	The purpose of thinaun is to perma-kill NPCs, not make your rez costs cheaper. yeah, i know what its MEANT to do, but really, how often have you had trouble making an npc permenantly dead? in all the games ive played, not once has one of the npcs needed to be thinuan perma-slayed.
Japangirl 11-26-06, 06:08 PM	Oh lots of trouble perma-killing certain NPCs not to be named. They must be slain at interactives in anti-magic fields or with thinaun to ensure their death. Triads using Crafted Contingencies is sooooo cheating!
_m_ 11-26-06, 06:13 PM	Oh lots of trouble perma-killing certain NPCs not to be named. They must be slain at interactives in anti-magic fields or with thinaun to ensure their death. Triads using Crafted Contingencies is sooooo cheating! lol. you could always not kill them... just, oh i dont know, trap them somewhere... somewhere permenant.
Japangirl 11-26-06, 06:14 PM	lol. you could always not kill them... just, oh i dont know, trap them somewhere... somewhere permenant. 9th level spells from 15th level characters? I don't think we can do that. Not to mention they have a deity looking out for them who can and probably would find them and let them back out of the imprisonment.
_m_ 11-26-06, 06:18 PM	9th level spells from 15th level characters? I don't think we can do that. Not to mention they have a deity looking out for them who can and probably would find them and let them back out of the imprisonment. oh... i was just thinking of leavin them downstairs in the madhouse... but yeah, level 9 spells would also be nice. :D
Japangirl 11-26-06, 06:21 PM	Haha. But I'm sure they have a contingencied Break Enchantment for if they get, umm, altered in the way the madhouse messes with people, not to mention the saves on those guys are fairly absurd and they probably wouldn't even get affected. And if they did get affected, they'd have a crafted contingency to greater teleport themselves home where someone could fix it. And it only takes a week for the house to let you go! I told you crafted contingencies were cheating!
_m_ 11-26-06, 06:22 PM	Haha. But I'm sure they have a contingencied Break Enchantment for if they get, umm, altered in the way the madhouse messes with people, not to mention the saves on those guys are fairly absurd and they probably wouldn't even get affected. i dunno, i rekon gem and alvin together could crack just about anyone.