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NeSoDak 01-31-07, 03:53 PM	Okay, I got a Marshall that I am trying to learn all the languages with. I know you can't get Druidic unless your a druid, but what about the rest of them. Is there any other languages that are specific like that, where you need special access? Or are all the ones listed in the PH and LGG open for learning? I've been told that you need special access to get Undercommon, even though it is listed in the PHB, but I couldn't find anywhere that made it limited. My character has learned Sidhee as well due to a favor, so I guess that one could be included as one that you need special access to. Here's my list of languages thus far. Common Elven Sidhee Draconic Orc Goblin Giant Gnoll Ancient Backlunish Old Oeridian Rhopan Flan/Ancient Flan Abyssal Infernal Ancient Suloise Also, what would you recommend that I get next?
Howie23 01-31-07, 03:57 PM	Rhopan By Greyhawk Canon, the Rhennee don't teach Rhopan to non-Rhennee. LG now requires non-Rhennee to have campaign documentation to learn Rhopan. David
Britt 01-31-07, 04:02 PM	"The following dialects are Core for all characters: Amedi, Baklunish, Cold Tongue, Flan, Keoish, Lendorian, Nyrondese, Old Oeridian, Olman, Ordai, Suloise, Touv, Ulagha, and Velondi. Rhopan is Core for Rhennee. Ancient Flan and Flan are the same language; Ur-Flan is a unique language. Anceint Suloise and Suloise are the same language. Ancient Baklunish and Baklunish are the same language. Learning Druidic (for non-druids), Ferral, Lendorian Elven, Rhopan (for non-Rhennee), or Ur-Flan requires special documentation. The most prominent of these languages are the human racial languages: Ancient Baklunish, Flan, Old Oeridian and Ancient Suloise."
LachlarlanIII 01-31-07, 04:05 PM	"The following dialects are Core for all characters: Amedi, Baklunish, Cold Tongue, Flan, Keoish, Lendorian, Nyrondese, Old Oeridian, Olman, Ordai, Suloise, Touv, Ulagha, and Velondi. Rhopan is Core for Rhennee. Ancient Flan and Flan are the same language; Ur-Flan is a unique language. Anceint Suloise and Suloise are the same language. Ancient Baklunish and Baklunish are the same language. Learning Druidic (for non-druids), Ferral, Lendorian Elven, Rhopan (for non-Rhennee), or Ur-Flan requires special documentation. The most prominent of these languages are the human racial languages: Ancient Baklunish, Flan, Old Oeridian and Ancient Suloise." Is that directly pulled from the new LGCS?! I'm glad someone finally made the ancient languages the same as their non-ancient counterparts! Maybe now I won't have DMs telling me I don't understand Baklunish when I understand the only Baklunish language in the Greyhawk Gazeteer!
Britt 01-31-07, 04:12 PM	No, not directly. Some of it has been changed, which you will notice when you see the draft, hopefully next week.
Japangirl 01-31-07, 04:18 PM	There's a new one that requires access to learn as well, the language of the Goliaths. It's called Gol-kaa.
Britt 01-31-07, 04:21 PM	Got it, thanks.
Howie23 01-31-07, 04:23 PM	There's a new one that requires access to learn as well, the language of the Goliaths. Goliaths? In LG?
Britt 01-31-07, 04:45 PM	Yes, goliaths in LG.
Howie23 01-31-07, 04:49 PM	Yes, goliaths in LG. Goliath Duskblades in LG?
Britt 01-31-07, 04:56 PM	No idea, the LGCS isn't out yet, so I don't know/can't say if duskblades are legal ;) Goliaths have shown up in mods already, so they exist in the LG world now.
Lomiat 01-31-07, 04:57 PM	There's a new one that requires access to learn as well, the language of the Goliaths. It's called Gol-kaa. Some people have also gained access to the language of the Kua-Toa.
LachlarlanIII 01-31-07, 05:00 PM	One thing I noticed Britt is that Undercommon, and all the extra-planar languages are absent from the list. Were you just referring to all Human languages or do non-human languages need special documentation too?
Britt 01-31-07, 05:00 PM	Which is fine, as the passage above doesn't say those are the only languages you can learn. Those are just the Greyhawk specific ones. Actually, I probably shouldn't add Gol-kaa for that reason :)
Howie23 01-31-07, 05:01 PM	self-editted
Britt 01-31-07, 05:02 PM	I'll clarify it.
NeSoDak 01-31-07, 05:05 PM	"The following dialects are Core for all characters: Amedi, Baklunish, Cold Tongue, Flan, Keoish, Lendorian, Nyrondese, Old Oeridian, Olman, Ordai, Suloise, Touv, Ulagha, and Velondi. Rhopan is Core for Rhennee. Where does it list these languages? I was unable to find any references to this list. Also, where does it say that you must be Rhenee to learn Rhopan? Just need to know for future questions at tables and legallity. Thanks
Britt 01-31-07, 05:13 PM	The LGCS will be all you need for legality :) It used to point you to a non-existent list on the LG website and the out-of-print LGG. That made it extremely hard to find the list of languages. We just combined those lists and did a little bit of digging to make sure we found everything.
NeSoDak 01-31-07, 05:18 PM	So the new LGCS will have the list? Because the current one points toward the nonexistant web site. Which is why I have Rhopan, whithout being Rhenee, because there is currently nothing official anywhere that can be found. Since I was unable to find anything, I took that to mean that everything is available. Is undercommon available? I've been told its limited. Thanks
ShinAkuma2 01-31-07, 05:26 PM	Some people have also gained access to the language of the Kua-Toa. Add Illumian to the unique racial languages...
Britt 01-31-07, 05:31 PM	The languages in the PH are available exactly how the PH says they are. Anything else requires special documentation, such as the LGCS or an AR. I'm not sure how Rhopan will be handled; you'll probably need to switch it for a legal language.
yorkus 01-31-07, 05:37 PM	Does that mean I now will need documentation to know (Ancient) sueloise now? Even though I'm suel and a member of the scarlet brotherhood?
NiTessine 01-31-07, 05:49 PM	Does that mean I now will need documentation to know (Ancient) sueloise now? Even though I'm suel and a member of the scarlet brotherhood? No. As it says, Suloise is Core and Ancient Suloise is same as Suloise. Thus, Ancient Suloise is Core.
pedr 02-01-07, 04:41 AM	So, to clarify, is this accurate? A PC can learn, through the use of skill points, any language in the PH, plus anything from the above list, without campaign documentation. Starting characters have automatic languages as per the PH and humans and half-elves add the above list to the 'Any' languages they can choose as bonus starting languages for a high Int. This is probably more a recommendation than a query: is there any chance at all that humans can be given their racial language as a bonus language? I realise that's an alteration of the core rules, so might be problematic but it makes very little sense, particularly that a starting Rhenee only speaks Rhenee if he buys it or has Int 12, similarly a starting Touv.
Arvagor 02-01-07, 07:30 AM	Add Illumian to the unique racial languages...Do we have Illumian in the campaign now?
UMiskatonic 02-01-07, 12:03 PM	You missed Celestial, that's occasionally useful.
gomeztoo 02-01-07, 12:29 PM	Celestial is in the PHB.
bitznarf 02-02-07, 06:33 PM	This is probably more a recommendation than a query: is there any chance at all that humans can be given their racial language as a bonus language? I realise that's an alteration of the core rules, so might be problematic but it makes very little sense, particularly that a starting Rhenee only speaks Rhenee if he buys it or has Int 12, similarly a starting Touv. In my opinion, this does actually make some sense. Not everyone who is ethnically one particular race aways knows said language. For example, I know some Asians who don't know any oriental language at all. Same goes for other ethnicities as well (jewish, germans, french, etc). What I'm getting at here is that despite the fact that someone may look a certain way due to their heritage, it doesn't mean that they speak the language that their parents/grandparents/great-grandparents spoke. It might lean them in that direction (be a available bonus language for a high int at character creation) but in my opinion should not govern what languages they automatically know. I could understand and support swapping out 'common' for the racial language at first level, but thats an entirely different story. -Dale
pedr 02-02-07, 07:08 PM	Agreed... in 21st century earth that's very true. It is also a reasonable argument for the more cosmopolitan races/areas. I still maintain that in the World of Greyhawk the proportion of Rhenee or Touv who would not speak their racial language - and speak it as their first language, instead of Common - will be very small indeed. I suppose that my main objection is that the uneducated Touv PC will only be able to speak Touv if they spend skill points on it!
ShinAkuma2 02-02-07, 10:48 PM	Do we have Illumian in the campaign now? Yessir, met 'em at a convention last month...
UMiskatonic 02-05-07, 03:55 PM	Here's my list of languages thus far... (edited for space) Celestial isn't on the list of the OP. Yes, it's in the PHB, but the OP hasn't taken it yet, and I think he should.
NeSoDak 02-05-07, 05:30 PM	If I can't have Rhopan, I'll probably substitute Celestial for it. In what order would you suggest picking up the rest of the languages? I'll be picking up about 2 or 3 every level.
Madfox11 02-06-07, 04:09 AM	"The following dialects are Core for all characters: Amedi, Baklunish, Cold Tongue, Flan, Keoish, Lendorian, Nyrondese, Old Oeridian, Olman, Ordai, Suloise, Touv, Ulagha, and Velondi. Rhopan is Core for Rhennee. Ancient Flan and Flan are the same language; Ur-Flan is a unique language. Anceint Suloise and Suloise are the same language. Ancient Baklunish and Baklunish are the same language. Learning Druidic (for non-druids), Ferral, Lendorian Elven, Rhopan (for non-Rhennee), or Ur-Flan requires special documentation. The most prominent of these languages are the human racial languages: Ancient Baklunish, Flan, Old Oeridian and Ancient Suloise." It might be an idea to mention that Cold Tongue is called Frosti by those who actually speak it.
Arvagor 02-06-07, 07:55 AM	It might be an idea to mention that Cold Tongue is called Frosti by those who actually speak it.I hope you're joking... I thought we called it "Fruz"
LGMoses 02-06-07, 08:04 PM	Is Celestial used in any church MO's or nething? The only thing I've seen is the Church of Heironeious in the Yeomanry where you can use it to substitute for 1 rank in Knowledge(religion).
Madfox11 02-07-07, 04:27 AM	I hope you're joking... I thought we called it "Fruz" Might be... I was working from memory and don't have the books at hand. Fact is that is not called Cold Tongue by the native speakers of said language.