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Puggle Halfwine 02-16-07, 02:25 AM	Can I have a .doc version of the LG Deities Document 2.0 so I can start updating it to the current rules set? It's sorely in need of updating and I'm quite happy to dedicate an afternoon to getting it done.
gomeztoo 02-16-07, 02:46 AM	Steven Conforti is working on it, iirc. He is currently at DDXP.
Southernskies 02-16-07, 02:50 AM	Could you mention that fact that there are no CG deities with the "Glory" domain? You'd think that the heroic "man with no name" would believe in earning a little glory.:cool:
Mortepierre 02-16-07, 04:01 AM	Also, on p.4, under the Stormlord entry, the text states that characters worshipping Tezcatlipoca qualify but only if they worship him as Apocatequil.. which is all fine and good, except: a) there is no Apocatequil entry in the deities section (since they make a point of drawing attention to the difference, I'm supposing it's not the same entry as Tezcatlipoca) b) Apocatequil isn't listed among valid choices in the corresponding table (p.199-204) Or does characters mean only NPC in this case?
Gaelforcwynd 02-16-07, 11:56 AM	Could you mention that fact that there are no CG deities with the "Glory" domain? You'd think that the heroic "man with no name" would believe in earning a little glory.:cool: The Dream and Force domains need attention also.
jstorrie 02-16-07, 02:18 PM	Favoured weapons could be updated to take into account the newly-opened splatbook weapons. I don't see any deity favouring, say, the lajatang or anything, but things like falchion-great falchion equivalency could be considered.
Alpha_Nerd 02-16-07, 02:57 PM	Also, it needs more favored weapon: Glaive deities. I keep trying to not make spiked chain users but weapon focus: deity's favored weapon is required for pious templar :(
kenobi65 02-16-07, 03:19 PM	Also, it needs more favored weapon: Glaive deities. I keep trying to not make spiked chain users but weapon focus: deity's favored weapon is required for pious templar :( I understand the thought, but, from an IC perspective, doesn't it seem kind of backwards to be picking a deity based on the favored weapon? "Yes, Father, I like what you're saying about the faith's tenets, and they're definitely in line with my beliefs...but, I'm afraid that longsword just isn't an optimal weapon choice..."
Alpha_Nerd 02-16-07, 03:35 PM	I understand the thought, but, from an IC perspective, doesn't it seem kind of backwards to be picking a deity based on the favored weapon? "Yes, Father, I like what you're saying about the faith's tenets, and they're definitely in line with my beliefs...but, I'm afraid that longsword just isn't an optimal weapon choice..." I understand your reasoning, but lets be honest. I'd love to be a worshipper of Fharlanghan for my Horizon Walker/Pious Templar, but a quarterstaff ain't gonna cut it.
kenobi65 02-16-07, 03:44 PM	I understand your reasoning, but lets be honest. I'd love to be a worshipper of Fharlanghan for my Horizon Walker/Pious Templar, but a quarterstaff ain't gonna cut it. Fair enough, but do you really expect they're going to give some deity the glaive as a favored weapon just to satisfy wannabee Pious Templars?
cycloptic_squirrel 02-16-07, 04:02 PM	Fair enough, but do you really expect they're going to give some deity the glaive as a favored weapon just to satisfy wannabee Pious Templars? Can you imagine a worse application for god-hood? 'Let's see, super-ever-present-oneness? Check. Galactic super powers? Ah, he's close enough. Appropriate follower base... hey guys, I don't think we want to let this one in, I think all our temple guardians would see 6.3% less recruitment compared to the average worshiper decline prediced of 1.7%. Sounds like he'd be one of those upstart militant faiths. Agreed: DENIED!'
Alpha_Nerd 02-16-07, 04:12 PM	I don't really expect it, but it would be nice :) You could always just make Kelanen any sword, not just martial ones, so I can use a Khopesh and be done with it.
Paul H 02-16-07, 04:34 PM	I understand your reasoning, but lets be honest. I'd love to be a worshipper of Fharlanghan for my Horizon Walker/Pious Templar, but a quarterstaff ain't gonna cut it. Hi What about Kelanen? Travel & War Domains - you'd probably auto qualify at 7th Lvl. Favoured wpn any sword. War Domain grants the Wpn Focus. EG: Dwarf Cleric Kelanen Stats as reqd, but min 13 Str for Pwr Attack 1) Pwr Attack, Wpn Prof/Focus Gt Sword (Domain Pwr) 3) Cleave 6) Gt Cleave 8) Become Pious Templar 9) whatever Feat. Divine Pwr? for extra HP/10' move. 10) Wpn Spec. (Gt Sword) 11) Bonus Ftr Feat. Improved Crit? Looks like a good build. As long as people realise you're NOT the party cleric, just a character with cleric levels to boost combat. Lower level probs with poor BAB/Hit Dice made up for by good BAB/HP from Pious Templar. Being Dwarf also helps with that Full Plate you're going to wear, plus bonus to saves. You've got good Fort/Will saves, plus the Freedom of Movement bonus as a domain power. If it wasn't (yet) another cleric I'd try it myself. (Already got 2 clerics) Cheers Paul H [Edit] Don't you just hate it when someone gets there forst because their post takes less time to write! Also - thought Kelanen was any sword?
KarmaInferno 02-16-07, 04:42 PM	There is a difference between character choice and player choice. The former should really be consistent and logical based on the character's history and background. The other is whatever makes the player happy. Most player choices can be explained in-character with a bit of creative thinking, anyhow. For example, perhaps YOU might have picked that deity because he offers the longsword as a favored weapon, but as far as your CHARACTER is concerned it was the other way around. -karma
Alpha_Nerd 02-16-07, 04:52 PM	Also - thought Kelanen was any sword? Me too, but it's any Martial Sword :(
mowaca 02-16-07, 05:09 PM	I would like it if the document updated the elven deities to reference their racial weapons from Races of the Wild in their descriptions. Its pretty easy to see where thinblade, lightblades, elvencraft bows and even sword bows fit. The favored weapons don't really need to change. I'm not as familiar with the other racial pantheons, but you probably could do the same thing.
Puggle Halfwine 02-16-07, 06:43 PM	I was actually more interested in: a) Completing existing deities' descriptions. b) Potentially adding more deities.
Haro 02-16-07, 07:00 PM	I was actually more interested in: a) Completing existing deities' descriptions. b) Potentially adding more deities. Then perhaps it would have been more appropriate to email the circle privately rather than posting on a public forum.
Puggle Halfwine 02-16-07, 07:09 PM	Then perhaps it would have been more appropriate to email the circle privately rather than posting on a public forum. Yeah but I'm kinda impulsive like that. Besides, I like this place!
_metz_ 02-16-07, 09:35 PM	As long as there isn't a favoured weapon: Spiked Chain Deity I am happy with it lol. I would like to see more other flvour weapons, too many gods use the quarterstaff, mace, etc. Come on Gods! be original! more random things DOuble handed Hammers, and so on, lets spice it up a little!
Crazy Boro 02-16-07, 09:58 PM	As long as there isn't a favoured weapon: Spiked Chain Deity I am happy with it lol. Too late . . . ;)
GenghisBob 02-16-07, 10:07 PM	As long as there isn't a favoured weapon: Spiked Chain Deity I am happy with it lol. So better turn on the SAD then. The Alien god of Spiked Chains is live and well. Look under gods starting with TS...
_metz_ 02-16-07, 11:40 PM	garh, on this revelation - truly there is no real god! Sigh. I reiterate. SIGH. (I just don't like a world setting where all the fighters run around with chains, and the weapon is a little too practical, there is a reason that such weapons weren['t used by everyone in the real world lol, and yes I know DnD isn't real, but the spiked chain thing isn't exactly relying on magic to explain how good it is) Stupid ten foot reach threatening enarby squares tripping disarming weapon that is two handed can PA and be Weapon Finessed... Founder of my new society: Bring Back Fighters with Swords! (BBFS)
Eric Anondson 02-17-07, 02:17 AM	I would like to see more other flvour weapons, too many gods use the quarterstaff, mace, etc.I remember asking Sean Reynolds about why he chose such boring weapons when he wrote up the Deities portion of the LGG. I remember him saying that basically the authors of the LGG weren't privy to any sort of final draft of the Core rules. They had no clue about Prestige classes, for instance, and thus no NPCs in the LGG have levels in PrCs. This played a partial role in uninspired choices for favored weapons. However, asked about one in particular. Joramy. Godess of Fire, Volcanoes, Wrath, Anger, and Quarrels. She gets quarterstaff. Friggin' quarterstaff! This seemed such total B. and in B., S. as in S. that I asked Sean about it. He told me his thinking was what better for Joramy for her faithful to walk around with big sticks to beat people with. Okay, I buy that... but quarterstaff! :headexplo If you want a big stick to beat people with, how about greatclub! Serious, apparently greatclub hadn't made it into a 3e final rules draft for Sean so he went with what big stick he knew for certain would be there... quarterstaff. I'm not kidding either, Sean didn't know if trident would make it in so for deities who use tridents in old AD&D write-ups, Sean wrote "trident (treat as longspear)". Failures of communication during the initial authoring of the LGG have been tainting the LG Deities ever since. We have been cursed with uninspiring weapons because WotC R&D didn't tell the LGG authors what weapons there would be for certain in the Core rules. LG adminitrators ever since have left this unchanged because... I dunno. They must like it the way it is or they have thought it is too much of a bother to give more interesting weapons out to deities who were originally given poor favored weapons.
GenghisBob 02-17-07, 03:44 AM	Founder of my new society: Bring Back Fighters with Swords! (BBFS) I dont know that many Fighters with chain, in fact in my 4 years of LG i have only met 4 PCs who use it. It really is not that common a choice. My Pcs, one uses short swords, (2WFER) one uses large Flail (my BDF power Attacking etc), one uses a whip and Long Spear - never had to hit anyone in anger yet (6th level) One uses a guisarme (Tripper and stuff) and another does not own a weapon, he keeps thinking about buying one but forgets....(Arcane Trickster) So do all the Fighters in your area have chains? or do you just have a pet peeve?
ranagrande 02-17-07, 03:49 AM	You know, I see a lot more NPCs with spiked chains than I do PCs.
jstorrie 02-17-07, 04:38 AM	My average lately has been that one in every three mods has NPCs with spiked chains. Multiple NPCs. Cores, Regionals, and Metaregionals. Declare them closed items! Seriously!
Gaelforcwynd 02-17-07, 09:12 AM	Hi What about Kelanen? Travel & War Domains - you'd probably auto qualify at 7th Lvl. Favoured wpn any sword. War Domain grants the Wpn Focus. EG: Dwarf Cleric Kelanen Stats as reqd, but min 13 Str for Pwr Attack 1) Pwr Attack, Wpn Prof/Focus Gt Sword (Domain Pwr) 3) Cleave 6) Gt Cleave 8) Become Pious Templar 9) whatever Feat. Divine Pwr? for extra HP/10' move. 10) Wpn Spec. (Gt Sword) 11) Bonus Ftr Feat. Improved Crit? Looks like a good build. As long as people realise you're NOT the party cleric, just a character with cleric levels to boost combat. Lower level probs with poor BAB/Hit Dice made up for by good BAB/HP from Pious Templar. Being Dwarf also helps with that Full Plate you're going to wear, plus bonus to saves. You've got good Fort/Will saves, plus the Freedom of Movement bonus as a domain power. If it wasn't (yet) another cleric I'd try it myself. (Already got 2 clerics) Cheers Paul H [Edit] Don't you just hate it when someone gets there forst because their post takes less time to write! Also - thought Kelanen was any sword? Only problem with Kelanen is that his followers should be Neutral. It doesn't say that they can't be non-Neutral, so I'd like to see a clarification on that issue.
Gaelforcwynd 02-17-07, 09:13 AM	I was actually more interested in: a) Completing existing deities' descriptions. I'll drink to that.
Gaelforcwynd 02-17-07, 09:14 AM	Then perhaps it would have been more appropriate to email the circle privately rather than posting on a public forum. This is no doubt the greatest think-tank for these issues. I'm sure it's the Circle's primary source of ideas. ;)
Gaelforcwynd 02-17-07, 09:17 AM	garh, on this revelation - truly there is no real god! Sigh. I reiterate. SIGH. (I just don't like a world setting where all the fighters run around with chains, and the weapon is a little too practical, there is a reason that such weapons weren['t used by everyone in the real world lol, and yes I know DnD isn't real, but the spiked chain thing isn't exactly relying on magic to explain how good it is) Stupid ten foot reach threatening enarby squares tripping disarming weapon that is two handed can PA and be Weapon Finessed... Founder of my new society: Bring Back Fighters with Swords! (BBFS) There should be a minimun DEX to wield the spiked chain and a REF check on a miss to avoid crowning yourself with it. :D
Eric Anondson 02-17-07, 02:34 PM	There should be a minimun DEX to wield the spiked chain and a REF check on a miss to avoid crowning yourself with it. :DOh, I'm content with folks having to dumping a feat for it. Seems like a reasonable way to "train" to use it in a way that you don't brain yourself.
_metz_ 02-17-07, 09:34 PM	It just gets a littel silly when all the Orc fighters you meet have spiked chains and the guys on a boat pull out spiked chains, etc. I mean Orcs and pirates using spiked chains. HAVE THEY NO CONCEPT OF TRADITIONAL FANTASY VALUES??? LOL its a pet peeve, they crop up a lot in mods, and I usually end up playing or DMing a mod where if the PCS don't have em, the NPCs do. Anyways back onto topic lol Yeah need more deities with interesting weapons, more Pious templars and clerics with crazy weapons would be fun. and the quarterstaff just aint ever worth it.
clannagh 02-20-07, 07:05 PM	Yeah need more deities with interesting weapons, more Pious templars and clerics with crazy weapons would be fun. and the quarterstaff just aint ever worth it. My dwarf cleric has converted from a deity with boring old dwarven waraxe war domain to one that has quarterstaff war domain. Go the quarterstaff. The atonement will cost him a fair chunk of time units and gold but its worth it. Getting back on topic ... It would be good if the deities document reiterated the fact that atonement for willing acts have a XP cost and hence are not available without triad permission. There is often confusion about this.
copper_wyrmling 02-20-07, 07:37 PM	My dwarf cleric has converted from a deity with boring old dwarven waraxe war domain to one that has quarterstaff war domain. Go the quarterstaff. The atonement will cost him a fair chunk of time units and gold but its worth it. Is this, by any chance, a Perrenland character? War domain... quarterstaff... it's Joramy, right? Welcome! :) And don't underestimate the quarterstaff. It's a double weapon that can be used as such without exotic weapon proficiency and it's a valid target for brambles / spikes. It's funny to watch a cleric wielding a brambled staff with Zealot Pact active ;) (And it would've been even cooler if the monsters in question hadn't been immune to the Fires of Purity damage...) Copper aka Yolande of Hellspaar, sworn Sacred Exorcist of Perrenland, High Priestess and Contemplative of Joramy, and leader of the church of Joramy in Perrenland (not officially until she retires, but I don't think anyone else wants to challenge her for the title ;) )
Arvagor 02-20-07, 07:49 PM	And don't underestimate the quarterstaff. It's a double weapon that can be used as such without exotic weapon proficiency and it's a valid target for brambles / spikes.I've been considering picking up a double weapon for my asherati TWF ranger, so that he can have some versatility in dealing damage, i.e., either TWF with it or two-handing it for more Str damage (especially if he picks up Power Attack for his next feat) -- the various swords fit my flavor, but as you point out, staves don't require EWF ;) What are some good staff feats?
clannagh 02-20-07, 07:58 PM	Is this, by any chance, a Perrenland character? War domain... quarterstaff... it's Joramy, right? Welcome! :) Thanks copper :) Well picked, yes Joramy indeed .. though its a Bright Sands character who eventually if the Ratik/Perrenland switch goes ahead may move to Perrenland if the right role play reason arises. He will be able to move regions and still keep the same regional deity :) One of my other characters uses quarterstaff a lot .. with a potion of shillelagh they can be seriously effective especially against DR x/Bludgeonng or magic and nasty swarmy things.
clannagh 02-20-07, 08:01 PM	I've been considering picking up a double weapon for my asherati TWF ranger, so that he can have some versatility in dealing damage, i.e., either TWF with it or two-handing it for more Str damage (especially if he picks up Power Attack for his next feat) -- the various swords fit my flavor, but as you point out, staves don't require EWF ;) What are some good staff feats? Remember shillelagh makes it a large weapon, 2D6 each end and it counts as a +1 magic weapon as well. Level 1 spell for a druid or 50gc for oil.
copper_wyrmling 02-20-07, 08:05 PM	I've been considering picking up a double weapon for my asherati TWF ranger, so that he can have some versatility in dealing damage, i.e., either TWF with it or two-handing it for more Str damage (especially if he picks up Power Attack for his next feat) -- the various swords fit my flavor, but as you point out, staves don't require EWF ;) What are some good staff feats? There aren't many staff-specific ones, as far as I know - Quick Staff from CW is okay if you're using combat expertise a lot. The advantage of the exotic double weapons is that you can pick up exotic weapon master and flurry with them :) Of course, a staff can be used in a monk flurry, if you have monk levels. My cleric mostly used her staff as something to put spells on - oil of shillelagh at low levels, Spikes when it lasted hours / level, Quickened Brambles when Spikes got nerfed. But she was a cleric, with very few feats to spare and a lot of spellpower to play with: there are probably some feats out there that I don't know about.
Gwumph 02-21-07, 02:40 AM	What I really want to see!!! MILITANT HALFLING GOD!! I mean honestly how many of us out there have seen a kick ass, run'em down, total damage dealer Halfling PC's out there?? A fair number if these boards are anything to go by, and yet everyone insists on treating halfings like flighty carefree characters. I want a Militant Halfling God (preferably mounted, since most of us are anyways) the kind of God that lets everyone know that 2'9" Halfling riding a dog is your worst nightmare and you would be wise to lay down and surrender while you gots the chance!! While we are on these topic does anyone know of any updates to MM-I that show new preferred classes for the sub-races. Come on Deep Halflings are tough cookies. I am so tired of the Halfling juggling society this or the Halfling picnic society that. How about the Halfling Kick your ass and haul you to jail society!! Whew that was my rant for the month.. Cheers Gwumph p.s. would love to know if there are any Halfling meta-orgs out there that do kick ass
Eric Anondson 02-21-07, 02:47 AM	What I really want to see!!! MILITANT HALFLING GOD!!Other than Arvoreen, halfling deity of protection, vigilance, and war?
Gwumph 02-21-07, 03:55 AM	Sort of Except he is known as the Defender, the Guardian, the Wary Sword. Not exackly a resounding Kick-ass and take names title's. more like defend your loved ones, namby bamby. We will have to wait to see his blurb. But I am really looking for is a Halfling God that breaks the mold. Something along the lines of crush your enemies, wipe out their tribes, sow salt upon the earth sort of deal. Maybe give us a Deep Halfling God for our ongoing war against Kobolds and Goblins. He could be mounted on a Celestial Boar or something. His quote could be "Drive them to the very cliffs of Hell, and then Charge them in!" now that would be a God my Halfling PC would be proud to follow.
Potato Weasel 02-21-07, 08:23 AM	Well, I would like to see a -lot- more flavor text, even though there is an unholy amount of gods in greyhawk. I mean, I would hope that the next one at least cuts stuff out of the various mods that have holy rituals and blessed creatures and blessed events/people. Otherwise i just have to keep making up rituals and sayings for good ol Uvot.
pneumatik 02-21-07, 09:26 AM	All of the deities in LG have appeared in material published before 3rd ed. All of rules and specifics of the deities in the LGDD are based off whatever details of the deities are available in that pre-3rd ed. material. While a LGDD with descriptive text for each deity would be great, I wouldn't expect to see any new deities, or any changes to existing deities, unless you can find published cannon backing up your proposed changes.
kenobi65 02-21-07, 10:43 AM	All of the deities in LG have appeared in material published before 3rd ed. All of rules and specifics of the deities in the LGDD are based off whatever details of the deities are available in that pre-3rd ed. material. While a LGDD with descriptive text for each deity would be great, I wouldn't expect to see any new deities, or any changes to existing deities, unless you can find published cannon backing up your proposed changes. Agreed...the Circle isn't just "making stuff up." Everything that's in that document is based on previously-established Greyhawk canon. There's no kick-butt halfling god of war because there never *has* been one in Greyhawk lore.
clannagh 02-21-07, 08:19 PM	Sort of Except he is known as the Defender, the Guardian, the Wary Sword. Not exackly a resounding Kick-ass and take names title's. more like defend your loved ones, namby bamby. We will have to wait to see his blurb. But I am really looking for is a Halfling God that breaks the mold. Something along the lines of crush your enemies, wipe out their tribes, sow salt upon the earth sort of deal. Maybe give us a Deep Halfling God for our ongoing war against Kobolds and Goblins. He could be mounted on a Celestial Boar or something. His quote could be "Drive them to the very cliffs of Hell, and then Charge them in!" now that would be a God my Halfling PC would be proud to follow. Sounds like a halfling version of Gendwar Angrim.
bitznarf 02-21-07, 08:39 PM	Remember shillelagh makes it a large weapon, 2D6 each end and it counts as a +1 magic weapon as well. Level 1 spell for a druid or 50gc for oil. Unless I am missing something, neither the size nor ease of use of your weapon change, just the base damage dice. From the SRD: Your own nonmagical club or quarterstaff becomes a weapon with a +1 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls. (A quarterstaff gains this enhancement for both ends of the weapon.) It deals damage as if it were two size categories larger. These effects only occur when the weapon is wielded by you. If you do not wield it, the weapon behaves as if unaffected by this spell.
Eric Anondson 02-21-07, 08:44 PM	All of the deities in LG have appeared in material published before 3rd ed.To be nitpicky, there were some hero deities who appeared first in the LGJ #3 and never before. So their first appearance was under 3rd edition. But the larger point is accurate, the circle hasn't created any new deities to fill gaps.
Britt 02-21-07, 08:47 PM	There is one new hero deity, Molaho Khem.
bhale187 02-21-07, 09:37 PM	Agreed...the Circle isn't just "making stuff up." Everything that's in that document is based on previously-established Greyhawk canon. There's no kick-butt halfling god of war because there never *has* been one in Greyhawk lore. Hey now, those are fightin' words for a cleric of Arvoreen
clannagh 02-21-07, 10:01 PM	Unless I am missing something, neither the size nor ease of use of your weapon change, just the base damage dice. From the SRD: OK .. deals damage like a larger weapon :)
kenobi65 02-21-07, 11:05 PM	Hey now, those are fightin' words for a cleric of Arvoreen Hey, it wasn't me calling Arvoreen "namby pamby"...it was Gwumph. Go take it up with him. :P
Gwumph 02-21-07, 11:33 PM	LOL My Halfling is so digusted with Halfling Gods, he has decided to follow a Dwarven God instead.. (Gwumph is a follower of the Dwarven God Muamman Duathal, the God of Expatriates, Exiles and Travellers. Gwumph is a Halfling that refuses to accept he is a Halfling. Gwumph has rejected the ways of his people, calling Halflings frivolous, soft and weak. Gwumph went in search of something that connected with his soul and he found it in the Dwarven people. Dwarves are everything Gwumph aspires to be and he has adopted the Dwarven name Gwumph (he answers to no other). Gwumph is fluent in Dwarven, very knowledgeable in Dwarven culture and is a professional blacksmith. He only drinks Dwarven ale, and hasn’t cut his hair in years in hopes of growing a beard (he has tried various fake beards from time to time, but they never seem to last). As a Paladin Gwumph has devoted himself to care and defence of the Dwarven people. In his mind nothing comes before a Dwarf. Knowing that the only way to be truly accepted by Dwarves is to do a great deed or service for the people, Gwumph is travelling around looking for that one opportunity to prove himself and be accepted by his adopted people. Gwumph has renounced his Halfling heritage and has embarked on a journey of self-fullfillment to become a Dwarf. ) Arvoreen is namby bamby simply for being a Halfling God!!:duel: Gwumph
Arvagor 02-22-07, 12:09 AM	My Halfling is so digusted with Halfling Gods, he has decided to follow a Dwarven God instead.. [...] As a Paladin Gwumph has devoted himself to care and defence of the Dwarven people. [...] Um... How can your halfling be a paladin of a dwarven god, or at least, specifically of Muamman Duathal? That deity's Origin of Worship is "Dwarf" and Core Worshippers are "Dwarves", with no other races listed. Meaning Muamman won't grant divine abilities to anyone not a dwarf, no matter how much they think they are, or how much that person empathizes with the dwarven races. Edit:Plus, Muamman's domains (City, Community, Good, Protection, Travel) don't exactly scream "warrior" -- he looks pretty namby pamby to me...
Gwumph 02-22-07, 02:26 AM	LOL good call Arvagor!! For some reason I thought Muamman had "others" listed for uncommon followers. Oh well. Wells there's ways around it. 1. not 100% sure, but I believe Paladins don't have to worhsip a specific diety. If this is true then i like the God, but don't my powers from him. 2. A more likely explantion would be that my PC gave up free luxury upkeep for life and in return was made a Noble and a Knight of the Dwarven Nation in Perrenland (a newly formed nation made up of exiles and expatriates) I think Muamman would look kindly on any PC to the defense of this new Dwarven Nation. (but will contact my Triad about it) As for why choosing him? He seemed like the only Dwarven God that would take pity on my PC (considering he is in exile from his race, has the soul of a dwarf, but cursed with the body of a Halfling, and has sworn to defend a dwarven community etc etc etc) Yes there are other more War-mongering Dwarven Gods, but Gwumph went for what he thought was attainable. Cheers Gwumph
pneumatik 02-22-07, 09:50 AM	There is one new hero deity, Molaho Khem. Any chance he'll make it into the LGDD? I have a PC who's been carrying around a book about him since year one.
Britt 02-22-07, 12:52 PM	I hope it does. Until then, here's a cert you can use to make a worshiper of him. http://www.bandit-kingdoms.net/meta/ARs/Worshipper-MK.pdf Name: Molaho Khem Gender: m Rank: Hero−god Areas of Concern/Portfolio: Courage, Hatred of Aberrations, Protection Titles: Aberrations’ Bane, the Risen Hero Holy Symbol: A vibrant purple shield, a cracked black tower in the foreground Alignment: NG Origin of Worship: Unknown Core worshippers: Humans Common Worshippers: Others Favored Weapon(s): Longsword Weapon of the Deity Spell: +1 bane (aberrations) longsword Domains: Good, Protection, War Special Notes: Worshipper may not be an aberration Description: Few written works exist about Molaho Khem. The most popular work, passed from adventurer to adventurer, with an original copy in the Great Library of Greyhawk, is the Death Saga of Molaho Khem. The tome is only seven inches wide and six inches tall. It contains five printed woodcuts, each signed with the monogram "E.M." The illustrations depict Khem overcoming various challenges and finally being laid to rest. The text is written in the Common tongue. The Death Saga reveals the final days of the great hero of legend, when he returned to Dar’Kesh Anam, the city of his birth, to combat an alien menace. Recently it was discovered that Dar’kesh Anam and Nerull’s Bane, located in the Fellreev Forest, were one and the same. The book's conclusion suggests that Khem defeated a group known as the Hivecouncil, but was poisoned by their ebbing lifeblood. His body was magically preserved at the moment before death in the Kushkava, the city's highest tower. Tales of Molaho Khem are common in the Flanaess and seem to pre−date the Migrations. Every human culture stakes a claim on him, and many explorers sought out the fabled city of Dar’Kesh Anam, seeking to draw truth (and perhaps a bit of fortune) from the ancient tales. Late in 595 CY, the lich Dahlvier, himself a survivor of Khem’s ancient people and a former friend of the sleeping hero, led adventurers to Dar’Kesh Anam to protect it from the competing interests of the Horned Society and Iuz. There, adventurers made their way through the fabled Kushkava and located a magically preserved, sleeping humanoid who was nearly 9 feet tall and adorned in vibrant purple mithral armor and shield, with a vibrant purple mithral longsword resting on his chest. Somehow, the adventurers were able to awaken Molaho Khem from a slumber that had lasted thousands of years. The Risen Hero soon began exploring the Combination of Free Lords, eager to fight evil once again. It is reported that some sort of dog−like creature serves as his advisor and translator and that the pair have since slain the hill giant sheriff of Rookroost, driven the orcs out of Kinemeet, and pounded on the gates of Riftcrag, slaying dozens of Boneheart Cranzer’s soldiers before leaving the area unharmed. Many other heroes seem to be flocking to Khem, including: a bleached, white half−orc riding what appears to be a pegasus and wearing a black crown, and a powerful male human former cleric of Boccob. Khem now lives in the deserted Castle Dahlvier in Dahlvier’s County, just west of the Fellreev Forest. Many note that the Risen Hero lives very close to the dreaded home of the Lord of Pain, Dorakaa, and speculate on what Ol’ Wicked thinks of his new neighbor. Since the awakening, evoking the name of the Risen Hero grants power, and the Risen Hero is now a god amongst mortals. Khem’s society was devoted to the worship of Boccob, and the Risen Hero, himself, pays homage to the Uncaring One. As for worshipers, much of the Risen Hero’s burgeoning faith has yet to be revealed, but a shrine already exists on the second floor of the Half Pint Pub in the city of Dyvers.
Genghis Cohen 02-22-07, 08:39 PM	There is one new hero deity, Molaho Khem.I'd like to suggest a second new deity for the next deities document: Tarsellis Meunniduin. He appears on page 29 of Dragon #155. He's the patron deity of snow elves, and the article in which he appears is rather Greyhawk-centric. With the upcoming RPGA reward card that will allow LG players to start a snow elf PC, adding Tarsellis Meunniduin seems to me to be a good move.
pneumatik 02-22-07, 10:35 PM	I hope it does. Until then, here's a cert you can use to make a worshiper of him. http://www.bandit-kingdoms.net/meta/ARs/Worshipper-MK.pdf Name: Molaho Khem <<SNIP!>> Huh. So he's hanging around on Oerth killing monsters? Cool. I don't know how this hasn't made the news in the other metaregions. If I had a chance of meeting him, I might actually worship him. Or perhaps for the high level rebuild ...
Britt 02-22-07, 10:48 PM	Huh. So he's hanging around on Oerth killing monsters? Cool. I don't know how this hasn't made the news in the other metaregions. If I had a chance of meeting him, I might actually worship him. Or perhaps for the high level rebuild ... I know Dyvers and BK have both had a couple of adventures relating to him and given out atonements to MK.
gomeztoo 02-23-07, 03:30 AM	Before she decides to worship him, my bard Clover (who recently moved to Dyvers) needs to know how hunky he is, how fashionable, and how date-able.
Alpha_Nerd 02-23-07, 11:21 AM	Well, he's a giant in purple armor, so I assume he's "hunky" but I'm not sure how "fashionable" you would consider him. No gods are "date-able" as I'm assuming your bard is very high maintenence and he's too busy slaying abberations and providing spells to clerics to spend too much time with you.
_metz_ 02-24-07, 08:26 PM	Hey, Purple Armour is pretty flash...
cetiken 02-25-07, 03:27 PM	It just gets a littel silly when all the Orc fighters you meet have spiked chains and the guys on a boat pull out spiked chains, etc. I mean Orcs and pirates using spiked chains. HAVE THEY NO CONCEPT OF TRADITIONAL FANTASY VALUES??? To get back off topic the only time I've seen anyone using a spiked chain was a pirate move. Cutthroat Island. One of the thugs attacking our heroine in one of the many bar fight scenes. So neh. Though I do think its funny to read Gnarl Glittergold's description and then realize that he dosn't have the Gnome domain.
Jay_Ibero_911 02-25-07, 10:35 PM	I'm kinda hoping for a few PC worshipable gods with both the SKY and TRAVEL domains...want a cleric with fly and aerial alacrity...hopefully a halfling...and get reduced...be a humming bird...
Haro 02-25-07, 10:57 PM	I'm kinda hoping for a few PC worshipable gods with both the SKY and TRAVEL domains...want a cleric with fly and aerial alacrity...hopefully a halfling...and get reduced...be a humming bird... ...and Moon too. Moon would be a good addition due to the fact there are a couple of spells exclusive to that domain. It would make for a fairly original character. Joe
Jay_Ibero_911 02-26-07, 02:22 PM	...and Moon too. Moon would be a good addition due to the fact there are a couple of spells exclusive to that domain. It would make for a fairly original character. Joe After looking through the current deitied document, it seems there is at least one deity that should have both sky and travel. Velnius. His portfolio? SKY and weather. He's got the air, TRAVEL, water, and weather domains, but no sky...