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Post/Author/DateTime Post
lostpike
05-21-07, 02:53 PM Does this still give you blindsight? I remember some kind of errata with this spell or something.
Lupo
05-21-07, 03:33 PM Does this still give you blindsight? I remember some kind of errata with this spell or something.

the Spell Compendium version has:

blindsense 30-ft with 5 or more ranks,

blindsight 15-ft with 12 or more ranks

the "outdated" Complete Adventurer version has:

blindsense 30-ft with 5 or more ranks

blindsight 30-ft with 10 or more ranks.

so it has been decreased slightly but still a good spell.

ciao

martin m.
lostpike
05-21-07, 03:51 PM Thanks. Blindsight still rocks. This is a great spell to have up and extended.
Britt
05-21-07, 05:14 PM I believe they also changed which classes have it on their spell lists.
copper_wyrmling
05-21-07, 05:21 PM I believe they also changed which classes have it on their spell lists.

I know they moved it off the sorc/wiz list: I knew an arcane trickster with max ranks in Listen who was rather unhappy about that (sure, Listen is still a very useful skill, but ATs have a lot of other useful skills and he would've put some of those points elsewhere except that he wanted blindsight).
lostpike
05-21-07, 05:23 PM Where would this errata be found ?
Mommy was an Orc
05-21-07, 05:24 PM I know they moved it off the sorc/wiz list: I knew an arcane trickster with max ranks in Listen who was rather unhappy about that (sure, Listen is still a very useful skill, but ATs have a lot of other useful skills and he would've put some of those points elsewhere except that he wanted blindsight).

He shouldn't be that unhappy - 2 levels of Unseen Seer gets it right back...
lostpike
05-21-07, 06:05 PM Would you really take that over Grave Strike?
copper_wyrmling
05-21-07, 06:38 PM He shouldn't be that unhappy - 2 levels of Unseen Seer gets it right back...

This was back at the Spell Compendium revision - rather a long time before Unseen Seer was introduced. I believe he's now either L14 or L15 (he was L14 when I last played with him in January), so not really an option, sadly.
Mommy was an Orc
05-21-07, 07:09 PM Would you really take that over Grave Strike?

I'd take both :)
lostpike
05-21-07, 07:26 PM how?
At level 2 Unseen Seer you only get one spell.
Mommy was an Orc
05-21-07, 08:13 PM how?
At level 2 Unseen Seer you only get one spell.

Assuming you stick to only 2 levels. I like Unseen Seer 7/Spellsword 1/Arcane Trickster 2 as the prestige class levels for an 'arcane trickster' type.
solbergb
05-21-07, 09:44 PM actually - the number of times a rogue is defeated by concealment is quite comparable to the number of times undead defeat him, and imbue with spell ability can fix the undead problem but not the concealment problem.

Blindsight rocks very hard for rogues and others who do precision damage.

The +4 to your listen check the spell provides is also nice, and one reason choosing between it and "embrace the wild" in the levels where you have 5+ ranks in listen but less than 12 is tough - well...at least for us humans who don't get lowlight normally.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lostpike 05-21-07, 02:53 PM	Does this still give you blindsight? I remember some kind of errata with this spell or something.
Lupo 05-21-07, 03:33 PM	Does this still give you blindsight? I remember some kind of errata with this spell or something. the Spell Compendium version has: blindsense 30-ft with 5 or more ranks, blindsight 15-ft with 12 or more ranks the "outdated" Complete Adventurer version has: blindsense 30-ft with 5 or more ranks blindsight 30-ft with 10 or more ranks. so it has been decreased slightly but still a good spell. ciao martin m.
lostpike 05-21-07, 03:51 PM	Thanks. Blindsight still rocks. This is a great spell to have up and extended.
Britt 05-21-07, 05:14 PM	I believe they also changed which classes have it on their spell lists.
copper_wyrmling 05-21-07, 05:21 PM	I believe they also changed which classes have it on their spell lists. I know they moved it off the sorc/wiz list: I knew an arcane trickster with max ranks in Listen who was rather unhappy about that (sure, Listen is still a very useful skill, but ATs have a lot of other useful skills and he would've put some of those points elsewhere except that he wanted blindsight).
lostpike 05-21-07, 05:23 PM	Where would this errata be found ?
Mommy was an Orc 05-21-07, 05:24 PM	I know they moved it off the sorc/wiz list: I knew an arcane trickster with max ranks in Listen who was rather unhappy about that (sure, Listen is still a very useful skill, but ATs have a lot of other useful skills and he would've put some of those points elsewhere except that he wanted blindsight). He shouldn't be that unhappy - 2 levels of Unseen Seer gets it right back...
lostpike 05-21-07, 06:05 PM	Would you really take that over Grave Strike?
copper_wyrmling 05-21-07, 06:38 PM	He shouldn't be that unhappy - 2 levels of Unseen Seer gets it right back... This was back at the Spell Compendium revision - rather a long time before Unseen Seer was introduced. I believe he's now either L14 or L15 (he was L14 when I last played with him in January), so not really an option, sadly.
Mommy was an Orc 05-21-07, 07:09 PM	Would you really take that over Grave Strike? I'd take both :)
lostpike 05-21-07, 07:26 PM	how? At level 2 Unseen Seer you only get one spell.
Mommy was an Orc 05-21-07, 08:13 PM	how? At level 2 Unseen Seer you only get one spell. Assuming you stick to only 2 levels. I like Unseen Seer 7/Spellsword 1/Arcane Trickster 2 as the prestige class levels for an 'arcane trickster' type.
solbergb 05-21-07, 09:44 PM	actually - the number of times a rogue is defeated by concealment is quite comparable to the number of times undead defeat him, and imbue with spell ability can fix the undead problem but not the concealment problem. Blindsight rocks very hard for rogues and others who do precision damage. The +4 to your listen check the spell provides is also nice, and one reason choosing between it and "embrace the wild" in the levels where you have 5+ ranks in listen but less than 12 is tough - well...at least for us humans who don't get lowlight normally.