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just_be_glad_now 03-01-07, 02:16 PM	Subject says it all: What's your favorite monster whose primary attack method is to inflict some nasty permanent effect on its opponents (other than death of course). Can be any creature potentially able to appear in LG mods. -jbgn Just curious...
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 02:23 PM	Rogue Eidolon from either Fiend Folio or MM2 (I can't remember which). If it hits you it causes Insanity as the spell. I've already encountered one in an LG mod.
Timlagor 03-01-07, 03:23 PM	I liked Meenlocks ...though their effects aren't permanent but you didn't really expect this to stay on topic did you? :P
Eric Anondson 03-01-07, 04:13 PM	Well, the meenlock metamorphosis is permanent. Saw it happen in LG. :)
Eric Anondson 03-01-07, 04:16 PM	I also like the ocularon, permanently blinded due to eyes getting ripped out. Requiring regeneration, does that count as permanent if a 7th level spell undoes it?
Rerednaw 03-01-07, 05:28 PM	I do not like ANY monster in LG that (outside of death) imposes a penalty not removeable at that APL. I guess I'd vote for the good old Allip. Encounter it at APL2 and say goodbye to your wisdom (drain.) Other than that, any level drainers. Especially since restoration only restores the level, NOT the experience lost.
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 05:56 PM	I do not like ANY monster in LG that (outside of death) imposes a penalty not removeable at that APL. I guess I'd vote for the good old Allip. Encounter it at APL2 and say goodbye to your wisdom (drain.) Other than that, any level drainers. Especially since restoration only restores the level, NOT the experience lost. Allips are certainly annoying, but even at APL 2, assuming at least one party member was conscious after it was destroyed, it's only 380gp for a restoration, less than full gold from an average APL 2 mod...
King Kashue 03-01-07, 06:05 PM	Other than that, any level drainers. Especially since restoration only restores the level, NOT the experience lost. Well, negative levels don't cause any XP loss unless the character fails the fort save when the negative level goes away after 24 hours...A resto before that will dispel the negative levels. And you do get back at least some of the XP.
berpo 03-01-07, 08:06 PM	It's permanent but not on the character. It's on the equipment!!! Rust Monster... I hate them so much... Some day I will ask my gnome to create some kind of plastic material for weapons... Marc
King Kashue 03-01-07, 08:19 PM	It's permanent but not on the character. It's on the equipment!!! Rust Monster... I hate them so much... Some day I will ask my gnome to create some kind of plastic material for weapons... Marc Black puddings as well destroy stuff...
Maesto 03-01-07, 09:35 PM	I personally liked the evil eye of the sea hag? I can't remember, it was one of the hags... not the death part of it, but the "you are useless for the next three days!" part of it =)
Crazy Boro 03-01-07, 11:44 PM	Two words: Rust Dragon (Those who played a certain year 5 keoland mod will fondly remember that one. ;) )
ShinAkuma2 03-01-07, 11:53 PM	Two words: Rust Dragon (Those who played a certain year 5 keoland mod will fondly remember that one. ;) ) I have no idea of what you are hinting... Of course, the fact that I ran past the thing as a Monk might have something to do with that... But seriously, I had players who nearly gave up LG after having adamantine weapons, mithral full plate, and other valuables destroyed.
Bold 03-02-07, 01:51 AM	Well, the meenlock metamorphosis is permanent. Saw it happen in LG. :) Saw it happen? You wrote that mod! :D
LGMoses 03-02-07, 12:31 PM	the word drain is very very scary
Eric Anondson 03-02-07, 02:04 PM	Saw it happen? You wrote that mod! :DWhy yes, yes I did! :evillaugh
Hariman 03-03-07, 12:38 AM	It's permanent but not on the character. It's on the equipment!!! Rust Monster... I hate them so much... Some day I will ask my gnome to create some kind of plastic material for weapons... Marc I recommend Darkwood weapons and Dragonhide armor for anti rust monster/black pudding/green slime protection. The only problem is getting access. Blindness is always a fun spell for the enemy to have.
Vesve 03-05-07, 11:38 AM	My personal favorite is a Rust Monster with the Half-Faerie Template. They (yes plural) were used it to attack a cart filled with copper coins. There was really no need to intervene, but that did not prevent PCs from trying. In fact they prefer PC's armor and weapon. The scare factor of seeing winged rust monsters in price-less. They get DR-Cold Iron (Which of course... rusts.) When advanced, they also gain flight and all sorts of other nonsence. ENJOY!:banghead:
Bob_the_Theurge 03-05-07, 11:39 AM	Drain effects at APL's where purchasing Restoration isn't an option.
Cardinal Teplin 03-05-07, 11:48 AM	Chaos Beast
solbergb 03-05-07, 12:56 PM	Chaos Beast I concur. I know two characters that suicided as a favorable alternative to what that critter does when the remedy wasn't available. The undead who cause party members to rise as the same kind of undead in a couple rounds are also kinda annoying. (I think it is the "Spawn" ability)
Rerednaw 03-05-07, 05:52 PM	Allips are certainly annoying, but even at APL 2, assuming at least one party member was conscious after it was destroyed, it's only 380gp for a restoration, less than full gold from an average APL 2 mod... You're assuming that it gets cast (i.e. have access, resources-cash, and not be stuck in the wild or a dungeon) before the loss is permanent (7 days). And say you were 1 AR from the next level. Doesn't this set you back to the bottom of the level? Hopefully the access was worth it. :D
solbergb 03-05-07, 06:26 PM	[/SIZE] And say you were 1 AR from the next level. Doesn't this set you back to the bottom of the level? No...only if you actually lose the level. If you get the restoration, your XP total restores all the way.
Jay_Ibero_911 03-05-07, 06:34 PM	[/SIZE] You're assuming that it gets cast (i.e. have access, resources-cash, and not be stuck in the wild or a dungeon) before the loss is permanent (7 days). And say you were 1 AR from the next level. Doesn't this set you back to the bottom of the level? Hopefully the access was worth it. :D You don't need access for NPC casting of Restoration, it's in the LGCS. And Regular restoration repairs ALL drain to a single stat, so I don't really see the problem here. If you have 380gp, and at least one party member survives the encounter, then there's nothing to worry about from an allip...The difficulty is actually HAVING a conscious party member at APL 2, given it's unlikely that you can take it down before it takes the party down...
Timlagor 03-05-07, 09:50 PM	The Dreamstealer Will-o-Wisps were pretty darn scary. (Immune to all magic except Magic Missile: we were very lucky to discover that little tid-bit when the Sorceror cast it anyway because there's virtually no other way to kill them and they do hideous things to your Wisdom.)
LGMoses 03-06-07, 02:56 PM	monsters that drain primary dump stats for players are hilarious :D Most players dump charisma so its funny to see that one thing that drains charisma take out the big barbarian in one little hit. Same with wis, int, other mental dump stats.
Bogjob 03-06-07, 03:46 PM	The Dreamstealer Will-o-Wisps were pretty darn scary. (Immune to all magic except Magic Missile: we were very lucky to discover that little tid-bit when the Sorceror cast it anyway because there's virtually no other way to kill them and they do hideous things to your Wisdom.) I ended up face first in a snowdrift with 1 Wisdom :( Thank God for our Cleric with Restoration
Cardinal Teplin 03-06-07, 03:57 PM	If you have 380gp, and at least one party member survives the encounter, then there's nothing to worry about from an allip... Except that, in order to get restoration cast, you need to get your team mates back to civilisation to find an NPC to cast the spell. But that's ok, you can carry 5 people, right? ...Right?
bitznarf 03-06-07, 04:00 PM	Except that, in order to get restoration cast, you need to get your team mates back to civilisation to find an NPC to cast the spell. But that's ok, you can carry 5 people, right? ...Right? Well, maybe drag a couple. Sorry about your clothes though.
Lupo 03-06-07, 04:03 PM	monsters that drain primary dump stats for players are hilarious :D Most players dump charisma so its funny to see that one thing that drains charisma take out the big barbarian in one little hit. Same with wis, int, other mental dump stats. cower in awe:D SHADOWS at APL 4 can bring a party down really fast first round two of them hit the wiz, wiz goes into negative strength. next round shadows concentrate on BDF, bringing him down or not. next round there is another tiny shadow that is it :P ciao martin m.
Timlagor 03-06-07, 09:02 PM	I ended up face first in a snowdrift with 1 Wisdom :( Thank God for our Cleric with Restoration I prefer to thank my foresight for bringin along a brave familiar with twice my own (starting) Wisdom :D to provoke the Attacks of Opportunity so we could get out of the death trap. The Owl and the Hawk really earned their keep in that fight!
copper_wyrmling 03-06-07, 09:08 PM	I ended up face first in a snowdrift with 1 Wisdom :( Thank God for our Cleric with Restoration We didn't have a cleric with Restoration :weep: The party originally wanted to press on immediately, with my sorcerer (the only person who could cast Magic Missile, and hence the sole target in that fight) drained to Wisdom 1. After five minutes of me roleplaying Wisdom 1, they decided to head back to civilization and get her a Restoration. We did make it through the module eventually...
King Kashue 03-07-07, 12:30 AM	Except that, in order to get restoration cast, you need to get your team mates back to civilisation to find an NPC to cast the spell. But that's ok, you can carry 5 people, right? ...Right? Kor can :D...So could Vola (when she still played :( )
cycloptic_squirrel 03-07-07, 02:41 AM	We didn't have a cleric with Restoration :weep: The party originally wanted to press on immediately, with my sorcerer (the only person who could cast Magic Missile, and hence the sole target in that fight) drained to Wisdom 1. After five minutes of me roleplaying Wisdom 1, they decided to head back to civilization and get her a Restoration. We did make it through the module eventually... I'll bite. What exactly did you do during said roleplaying?
solbergb 03-07-07, 03:20 AM	I don't know but I have seen wisdom drained paladins in action and that is really, really scary. Ok...first we're immune to fear. Then we're drained of all common sense..... It pretty much boils down to "Lets open all the doors...." I had my monk drained down to about 3 once, and yeah, I got a lot less cautious. Even for him.
copper_wyrmling 03-07-07, 04:03 AM	Cycloptic, mostly I just talked nonstop in-character for five minutes ;) In more detail: imagine a magic-obsessed adolescent sorcerer who's convinced that nothing bad can ever happen to her, who in that group was the party's main damage-dealer and also the utility caster (i.e. the one holding the scrolls with all the mobility spells, and the wands of endure elements), let loose in a snowy wasteland infused with strange and terrible magics. After the third expedition to retrieve Az from a distant hill because "I saw something sparkly! It was pretty! Ooh, look at the light reflecting off the snow! Whoa, rainbows... Hey, your cloak is blue! Has it always been that color? It looks good on you. Purple would be better though. Ooh look, is that a bird? Maybe it's a dragon! Let's go look!", the vote to go and get her restored to normality (well, comparative normality) was unanimous. She took her first level of wild mage not long after that ;)
gomeztoo 03-07-07, 04:32 AM	After the third expedition to retrieve Az from a distant hill because "I saw something sparkly! It was pretty! Ooh, look at the light reflecting off the snow! Whoa, rainbows... Hey, your cloak is blue! Has it always been that color? It looks good on you. Purple would be better though. Ooh look, is that a bird? Maybe it's a dragon! Let's go look!" Are you sure that wasn't Nesalia's influence rubbing off? :P Though, to be honest, it sounds more like my home campaign browny PC or the Yummonbrock gnomes (which I just HAVE to introduce to LG at some point). Worst thing I ever saw in permanent effects where the rogue elugon or whatever they're called. Permanent insanity = not cool. Luckily we all made the saves.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-07-07, 04:55 AM	Ok...first we're immune to fear. Then we're drained of all common sense..... It pretty much boils down to "Lets open all the doors...." "I saw something sparkly! It was pretty! Ooh, look at the light reflecting off the snow! Whoa, rainbows... Hey, your cloak is blue! Has it always been that color? It looks good on you. Purple would be better though. Ooh look, is that a bird? Maybe it's a dragon! Let's go look!" :tiphat: Consider me greatly amused. I had a character who was affected by a choas wash for a few mods. Among other things, he decided whether he liked/trusted someone purely based off whether someone accepted a bagel offered to them (although my character thought it was just a gut feeling, having no idea what the real basis was). It led to some amusing situations, but was also very useful for when the DM wanted to speed things up. DM: Complex situation with in depth backstory me: How interesting. Would you like a bagel? DM: He takes the bagel. me: I'm convinced.
taylorj 03-07-07, 11:05 AM	:tiphat: Consider me greatly amused. I had a character who was affected by a choas wash for a few mods. Among other things, he decided whether he liked/trusted someone purely based off whether someone accepted a bagel offered to them (although my character thought it was just a gut feeling, having no idea what the real basis was). It led to some amusing situations, but was also very useful for when the DM wanted to speed things up. DM: Complex situation with in depth backstory me: How interesting. Would you like a bagel? DM: He takes the bagel. me: I'm convinced. I took a Chaos Wash too - probably in the same mod (a year 5). -3 to all mental skills or something unpleasant, no save. On a Mystic Theurge of Boccob. Next mod, the course of things took him to the University of Gryrax in the Principality of Ulek, a center of higher learning and bardic skill which any learned servant of Boccob would have been delighted to visit and partake of the wisdom thereof. Just, well, maybe not while under a Chaos Wash. They made him do a guest lecture. This went somewhat poorly.
Japangirl 03-07-07, 12:44 PM	Hey, it wasn't unpleasant at all! If you were chaotic, that is. +3 to everything is awesome. It all just depends on your character.
copper_wyrmling 03-07-07, 01:21 PM	Hey, it wasn't unpleasant at all! If you were chaotic, that is. +3 to everything is awesome. It all just depends on your character. My sorcerer (at that point she was only a wannabe wild mage) absolutely adored it. She wanted to go find more slaads and harvest them for their chaos washes, at one point, until somebody informed her that they were actually intelligent (yay for blown Knowledge (The Planes) checks!)
LachlarlanIII 03-07-07, 02:23 PM	Next mod, the course of things took him to the University of Gryrax in the Principality of Ulek, a center of higher learning and bardic skill which any learned servant of Boccob would have been delighted to visit and partake of the wisdom thereof. Just, well, maybe not while under a Chaos Wash. My insane Alienist (8, soon to be 6 Wis) is a professor at the University of Greyhawk one month out of each year.