My wife, of all people, helped change my gaming perspective. [Archive] - Wizards Community

My wife, of all people, helped change my gaming perspective. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Redfist
08-19-07, 03:43 PM I, like many people, have been playing D&D in a Greyhawk setting for decades (since the start).

When I heard that LG was going away, and knowing that my work/travel schedule prohibits continuous home campaign participation for me, I was... not overly thrilled (being polite here).

My wife doesn't like me spending time with this hobby so I when I told her about LG's upcoming demise, I thought she'd show the proper mix of empathy and inner joy. Instead, she surprised me by being really supportive of the new campaign and reminding me that I have a daughter who will be coming into D&D age shortly. She suggested that I view LFR as a starting point for her and a continuation of a hobby for me.

Damn - I hate when she's right. :)

Even though I'm still not happy about the decision, I am now looking forward to LFR. Although, I sure won't spend the kind of $$ on splat books like I did during the last few years (out of principle only). Paying a reasonable monthly fee is fine, buying core books + maybe a few more is fine, but I'm not going to stock up on every new book just because. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

--Gordon
scon40
08-19-07, 04:20 PM You've got a good woman there. Don't let that one get away!
darrell_uk
08-19-07, 05:15 PM My eldest son will be nine going on ten when LFR kicks off. He was really too young to join in LG with us untill recentlty, and even now he's not always completely able to concentrate on the game. But with the new campaign, he can be in at the start, on a more or less equal footing with myself, his mother and our friends.

Every cloud and all that... :)
LCJJohnson
08-19-07, 06:20 PM I, like many people, have been playing D&D in a Greyhawk setting for decades (since the start).

When I heard that LG was going away, and knowing that my work/travel schedule prohibits continuous home campaign participation for me, I was... not overly thrilled (being polite here).

My wife doesn't like me spending time with this hobby so I when I told her about LG's upcoming demise, I thought she'd show the proper mix of empathy and inner joy. Instead, she surprised me by being really supportive of the new campaign and reminding me that I have a daughter who will be coming into D&D age shortly. She suggested that I view LFR as a starting point for her and a continuation of a hobby for me.

Damn - I hate when she's right. :)

Even though I'm still not happy about the decision, I am now looking forward to LFR. Although, I sure won't spend the kind of $$ on splat books like I did during the last few years (out of principle only). Paying a reasonable monthly fee is fine, buying core books + maybe a few more is fine, but I'm not going to stock up on every new book just because. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

--Gordon

Sounds like serendipity for you. I wish you nothing but the best. Of course, I also wish that I were so lucky. I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore.

I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign.

I don't blame him. I think it is a very good setting for novels, but not a good one for a Living campaign. For me a good deal of the fun is in believing that my brand new nobody character can grow up to be somebody special. Which is a lot more credible when the realm isn't already populated by so many special somebodies from the novels that it isn't all that special anymore.

And we are with you 100% on that last bit of wisdom. Come this time next year we'll be doing a lot of borrowing until such time as we decide if the next edition is worth buying.

As for LG, it's is not lame duck, nor is it sick or dying. It is the condemned, a vibrant and healthy entity that has a contract hit put on it by an organization that covets its position for a stooge from whom they expect better kickbacks.

I give them credit though, they have been paying attention. They can't let LG live because there's no way a majority would vote the stooge in. They saw what happened when they presented their other contenders: LGR, MoH and Xendrick. Sure, they generated small loyal followings, but none of them were ever a threat to the incumbent.

So, anyway, pardon me if I don't do a dance of joy for the impending execution, and don't expect me to be fooled by all the spin doctoring going on.

LCJJohnson, DM and newbie helper, player since year 3
STPJohnson, DM and writer, player since the red box
NMJohnson, fledgling DM and player since year 3
SMJohnson, player since year 5
Sieylianna
08-19-07, 06:31 PM I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign.

I bought Monster Manual 3, 4 and 5 last week at my FLGS. Of course, I knew what was coming and my expectation is that most of my play will remain 3.5 for the forseeable future. I'll buy the 4.0 core books when they are available, but I see no need for the campaign or class sourcebooks.

Ed
darrell_uk
08-19-07, 07:40 PM I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore.

Speaking personally I intend telling my son that he will still be able to play his character, it will just be in adventures that I write rather than one I download of the internet. He'll be able to play alongside his mother's character without them being (currently) five levels apart being a problem, and introducing a character for his younger brother (when he's old enough) won't be a problem.

Just because the campaign goes away, it doesn't mean that the characters never have to be played again.
MadVlad
08-19-07, 08:22 PM I'm in the position where my daughter, when able to play, won't be able to play in the world that I played in since I was 9.
bhale187
08-19-07, 08:23 PM Just because the campaign goes away, it doesn't mean that the characters never have to be played again.

Good point, lots of us still play our level 16+ ex-LG characters in home games.
MichaelAhlf
08-19-07, 09:16 PM Sounds like serendipity for you. I wish you nothing but the best. Of course, I also wish that I were so lucky. I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore.

I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign.

I don't blame him. I think it is a very good setting for novels, but not a good one for a Living campaign. For me a good deal of the fun is in believing that my brand new nobody character can grow up to be somebody special. Which is a lot more credible when the realm isn't already populated by so many special somebodies from the novels that it isn't all that special anymore.

And we are with you 100% on that last bit of wisdom. Come this time next year we'll be doing a lot of borrowing until such time as we decide if the next edition is worth buying.

As for LG, it's is not lame duck, nor is it sick or dying. It is the condemned, a vibrant and healthy entity that has a contract hit put on it by an organization that covets its position for a stooge from whom they expect better kickbacks.

I give them credit though, they have been paying attention. They can't let LG live because there's no way a majority would vote the stooge in. They saw what happened when they presented their other contenders: LGR, MoH and Xendrick. Sure, they generated small loyal followings, but none of them were ever a threat to the incumbent.

So, anyway, pardon me if I don't do a dance of joy for the impending execution, and don't expect me to be fooled by all the spin doctoring going on.

LCJJohnson, DM and newbie helper, player since year 3
STPJohnson, DM and writer, player since the red box
NMJohnson, fledgling DM and player since year 3
SMJohnson, player since year 5

Precisely and well said.

I'm probably going to try out the new LFR sometime, but here's my observation:

Less than 10% of the players I know in my region (based on informal canvassing) plan even to do that at this point.

Less than that plan to buy the books; most plan to hope the DM has them at the table to try it out, just like how we all got in for 3.0/3.5 in the first place.

NONE of our brand new (players that joined in the last year or so) are going to survive a slow 1-1/2 year play decline being told that the campaign is being shut down, followed by a 6+ month hiatus when NOTHING is being played.

Xen'drink, despite Tulach's lies and marketing doublespeak in his post (I hope his conscience is getting him for that), was a COLOSSAL FLOP. I can think of no bigger reason than the ridiculous hiatus it took last year for the level bump, not to mention WotC's behavior towards D&D fans in general.

The Greyhawk world has a lot going for it that FR doesn't. It has a set of regions where most of the NPC's are at a level similar to high-level PC's, so high-level PC's can indeed influence regional story arcs. It has a good set of regions for the exploration of the world, and it has a flavor that translates well to modules.

From every bit of FR I've ever played, and every bit of FR I've read (which makes up most of it, even a few of Salvatore's novels) FR suffers.

FR suffers from an overabundance of way-too-high-level NPC's running around. Circle of Eight? Iuz? Vecna? Try "Elminster's apprentice's apprentice's cohort." Try "that flea that the mages in Waterdeep would flick around for fun." In LG, a character of 14th-15th level is something. They're the go-to guys for adventures. In FR, a 14th-15th level character is something the local NPC's point at, throw rotten fruit at, and laugh at to see if they can bait them into a fight and kick their rears all over the street.

Further, I don't see WotC letting go and actually letting the regional players and triads actually control their own canon. They have way too much tied up in their pre-written canon already, and way too much tied up in the novels and everything else, to let any of use have a real impact on the campaign.

I'm watching friends who a few months ago were planning out new characters and excited about a campaign switching into the mode of working out how best to end their primary characters; how to go out with a bang, how to retire, what to do with them.

The mood's not fun: it's like a funeral march. Some people are trying to hold their heads high and turn it into a wake, but it's a funeral, make no mistake.

I'm watching people writing off Greyhawk Ruins and the rest of the other "new things" recently introduced. Why? Because it's a complete dead-end. Yes, campaigns end. But they should end *When they are played through*, not at the hand of some bean-counting moron who wants to kill the setting and who has never been a part of the campaign, probably has never even played D&D.

So we can play a Snow Elf... to level 4-5 tops. Or a Kobold... to level 4-5 tops. Yippee. Color me unamused.

From this moment, I make you at WotC a solemn promise.

Until at least October 2009 if not longer, I am not buying one single WotC product.

No books.
No miniatures.
No adventures.

NOTHING.

I will exist on the 3.5 material I already own. I will not have my characters mess with anything from a book I don't already have. I will not cast spells that are not either in the PHB or Spell Compendium.

I will play my existing characters to the end of their natural existence, I will retire my primary and secondary if at all possible, and that will be that.

If WotC wanted me to spend money, this is the one surefire way I can show them that it's backfiring on them. I encourage anyone else who feels the same way to do the same.

Additionally, at all conventions I go to soon, I will work up a petition and pass it around. We will either hand it to our Triad for mailing, or mail it directly to RPGA HQ and WotC HQ.

They think that killing Greyhawk and trying to push Forgotten Realms will make them more money. I think we, the player base, ought to show them how wrong they are.

Michael Ahlf
DM, Organizer, Player. 27 years old, been playing D&D for 22 of those years.
Howie23
08-19-07, 09:25 PM NONE of our brand new (players that joined in the last year or so) are going to survive a slow 1-1/2 year play decline being told that the campaign is being shut down, followed by a 6+ month hiatus when NOTHING is being played.

Umm...Last LG premiere will be at Origins 2008, and mods continue play through 12/2008. LFR premieres at GenCon 2008. That's a new compaign premiering in 12 months, with a 5 month overlap of both campaigns and editions in organized play.

David
bhale187
08-19-07, 09:28 PM I'm in the position where my daughter, when able to play, won't be able to play in the world that I played in since I was 9.

How so? She can still play in a Greyhawk, just not Living Greyhawk.

Unless of course you are saying you started playing Living Greyhawk at the age of nine, in which case you've got quite awhile before your daughter is ready to play and who knows what campaign will be pushed by RPGA then.
MadVlad
08-19-07, 09:59 PM How so? She can still play in a Greyhawk, just not Living Greyhawk.

Unless of course you are saying you started playing Living Greyhawk at the age of nine, in which case you've got quite awhile before your daughter is ready to play and who knows what campaign will be pushed by RPGA then.

I enjoy the structure of the Living setting, and I don't have time to write my own mods. She will not be able to play in the Greyhawk setting.
heirodule
08-19-07, 10:00 PM I and my wife are both glad LG is coming to a close. and I have no interest in LFR.

More vacation time with the family, and more money saved for other things. eight years of this is enough
UMiskatonic
08-20-07, 01:46 PM I enjoy the structure of the Living setting, and I don't have time to write my own mods. She will not be able to play in the Greyhawk setting.

The mods are already written, my friend. Download as many as you can, from as many regions as you can. You should be able to get all of year six and year seven, easy.

Then, keep playing Greyhawk until you run out of mods. Should take a few years....

Or feel free to take the same characters, and make your own ARs to go with any adventure you please. You might not have time to write a mod, but I bet you could buy one.

Writing an AR shouldn't be too hard. It's not legit for LG, but it won't matter after 2008.
Timlagor
08-21-07, 07:37 PM I and my wife are both glad LG is coming to a close. and I have no interest in LFR.

More vacation time with the family, and more money saved for other things. eight years of this is enough

You couldn't have stopped playing while it was still running?
clannagh
08-21-07, 08:05 PM You couldn't have stopped playing while it was still running?

some things become a work in progress and gain a life of their own

you need a catalyst to pull the plug
Madfox11
08-23-07, 08:23 AM The Greyhawk world has a lot going for it that FR doesn't. It has a set of regions where most of the NPC's are at a level similar to high-level PC's, so high-level PC's can indeed influence regional story arcs. It has a good set of regions for the exploration of the world, and it has a flavor that translates well to modules.

You do realize the only reason you do not know about the high level NPCs in Greyhawk is likely because there was no big product in the last 2 decades or so? Hence your only direct contact with high level NPCs is through adventures where there presense/influence is in the background on purpose since PCs need to take the front stage. I have a feeling your opinion is a bit biased here. The Circle, Rary, Robilar, st Cuthbert, several demon lords, Mage of the Valley, Iuz, Vecna and I could go on are all epic or near epic NPCs who have (had) a very active role in Greyhawk and even appeared in official published adventures as direct protoganists. Have some faith in the adventure writers and their editors will you :rolleyes:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Redfist 08-19-07, 03:43 PM	I, like many people, have been playing D&D in a Greyhawk setting for decades (since the start). When I heard that LG was going away, and knowing that my work/travel schedule prohibits continuous home campaign participation for me, I was... not overly thrilled (being polite here). My wife doesn't like me spending time with this hobby so I when I told her about LG's upcoming demise, I thought she'd show the proper mix of empathy and inner joy. Instead, she surprised me by being really supportive of the new campaign and reminding me that I have a daughter who will be coming into D&D age shortly. She suggested that I view LFR as a starting point for her and a continuation of a hobby for me. Damn - I hate when she's right. :) Even though I'm still not happy about the decision, I am now looking forward to LFR. Although, I sure won't spend the kind of $$ on splat books like I did during the last few years (out of principle only). Paying a reasonable monthly fee is fine, buying core books + maybe a few more is fine, but I'm not going to stock up on every new book just because. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. --Gordon
scon40 08-19-07, 04:20 PM	You've got a good woman there. Don't let that one get away!
darrell_uk 08-19-07, 05:15 PM	My eldest son will be nine going on ten when LFR kicks off. He was really too young to join in LG with us untill recentlty, and even now he's not always completely able to concentrate on the game. But with the new campaign, he can be in at the start, on a more or less equal footing with myself, his mother and our friends. Every cloud and all that... :)
LCJJohnson 08-19-07, 06:20 PM	I, like many people, have been playing D&D in a Greyhawk setting for decades (since the start). When I heard that LG was going away, and knowing that my work/travel schedule prohibits continuous home campaign participation for me, I was... not overly thrilled (being polite here). My wife doesn't like me spending time with this hobby so I when I told her about LG's upcoming demise, I thought she'd show the proper mix of empathy and inner joy. Instead, she surprised me by being really supportive of the new campaign and reminding me that I have a daughter who will be coming into D&D age shortly. She suggested that I view LFR as a starting point for her and a continuation of a hobby for me. Damn - I hate when she's right. :) Even though I'm still not happy about the decision, I am now looking forward to LFR. Although, I sure won't spend the kind of $$ on splat books like I did during the last few years (out of principle only). Paying a reasonable monthly fee is fine, buying core books + maybe a few more is fine, but I'm not going to stock up on every new book just because. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. --Gordon Sounds like serendipity for you. I wish you nothing but the best. Of course, I also wish that I were so lucky. I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore. I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign. I don't blame him. I think it is a very good setting for novels, but not a good one for a Living campaign. For me a good deal of the fun is in believing that my brand new nobody character can grow up to be somebody special. Which is a lot more credible when the realm isn't already populated by so many special somebodies from the novels that it isn't all that special anymore. And we are with you 100% on that last bit of wisdom. Come this time next year we'll be doing a lot of borrowing until such time as we decide if the next edition is worth buying. As for LG, it's is not lame duck, nor is it sick or dying. It is the condemned, a vibrant and healthy entity that has a contract hit put on it by an organization that covets its position for a stooge from whom they expect better kickbacks. I give them credit though, they have been paying attention. They can't let LG live because there's no way a majority would vote the stooge in. They saw what happened when they presented their other contenders: LGR, MoH and Xendrick. Sure, they generated small loyal followings, but none of them were ever a threat to the incumbent. So, anyway, pardon me if I don't do a dance of joy for the impending execution, and don't expect me to be fooled by all the spin doctoring going on. LCJJohnson, DM and newbie helper, player since year 3 STPJohnson, DM and writer, player since the red box NMJohnson, fledgling DM and player since year 3 SMJohnson, player since year 5
Sieylianna 08-19-07, 06:31 PM	I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign. I bought Monster Manual 3, 4 and 5 last week at my FLGS. Of course, I knew what was coming and my expectation is that most of my play will remain 3.5 for the forseeable future. I'll buy the 4.0 core books when they are available, but I see no need for the campaign or class sourcebooks. Ed
darrell_uk 08-19-07, 07:40 PM	I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore. Speaking personally I intend telling my son that he will still be able to play his character, it will just be in adventures that I write rather than one I download of the internet. He'll be able to play alongside his mother's character without them being (currently) five levels apart being a problem, and introducing a character for his younger brother (when he's old enough) won't be a problem. Just because the campaign goes away, it doesn't mean that the characters never have to be played again.
MadVlad 08-19-07, 08:22 PM	I'm in the position where my daughter, when able to play, won't be able to play in the world that I played in since I was 9.
bhale187 08-19-07, 08:23 PM	Just because the campaign goes away, it doesn't mean that the characters never have to be played again. Good point, lots of us still play our level 16+ ex-LG characters in home games.
MichaelAhlf 08-19-07, 09:16 PM	Sounds like serendipity for you. I wish you nothing but the best. Of course, I also wish that I were so lucky. I need to figure out how to explain to my two (preteen) children that the campaign is going away, so they won't be able to play their favorite characters in it anymore. I'm also not overly thrilled that I shelled out $$$ a couple months ago for a dozen books so that my husband wouldn't have to borrow references for writing LG mods. By the look on his face when I informed him of LFR it is safe to say he will not be writing for that campaign. I don't blame him. I think it is a very good setting for novels, but not a good one for a Living campaign. For me a good deal of the fun is in believing that my brand new nobody character can grow up to be somebody special. Which is a lot more credible when the realm isn't already populated by so many special somebodies from the novels that it isn't all that special anymore. And we are with you 100% on that last bit of wisdom. Come this time next year we'll be doing a lot of borrowing until such time as we decide if the next edition is worth buying. As for LG, it's is not lame duck, nor is it sick or dying. It is the condemned, a vibrant and healthy entity that has a contract hit put on it by an organization that covets its position for a stooge from whom they expect better kickbacks. I give them credit though, they have been paying attention. They can't let LG live because there's no way a majority would vote the stooge in. They saw what happened when they presented their other contenders: LGR, MoH and Xendrick. Sure, they generated small loyal followings, but none of them were ever a threat to the incumbent. So, anyway, pardon me if I don't do a dance of joy for the impending execution, and don't expect me to be fooled by all the spin doctoring going on. LCJJohnson, DM and newbie helper, player since year 3 STPJohnson, DM and writer, player since the red box NMJohnson, fledgling DM and player since year 3 SMJohnson, player since year 5 Precisely and well said. I'm probably going to try out the new LFR sometime, but here's my observation: Less than 10% of the players I know in my region (based on informal canvassing) plan even to do that at this point. Less than that plan to buy the books; most plan to hope the DM has them at the table to try it out, just like how we all got in for 3.0/3.5 in the first place. NONE of our brand new (players that joined in the last year or so) are going to survive a slow 1-1/2 year play decline being told that the campaign is being shut down, followed by a 6+ month hiatus when NOTHING is being played. Xen'drink, despite Tulach's lies and marketing doublespeak in his post (I hope his conscience is getting him for that), was a COLOSSAL FLOP. I can think of no bigger reason than the ridiculous hiatus it took last year for the level bump, not to mention WotC's behavior towards D&D fans in general. The Greyhawk world has a lot going for it that FR doesn't. It has a set of regions where most of the NPC's are at a level similar to high-level PC's, so high-level PC's can indeed influence regional story arcs. It has a good set of regions for the exploration of the world, and it has a flavor that translates well to modules. From every bit of FR I've ever played, and every bit of FR I've read (which makes up most of it, even a few of Salvatore's novels) FR suffers. FR suffers from an overabundance of way-too-high-level NPC's running around. Circle of Eight? Iuz? Vecna? Try "Elminster's apprentice's apprentice's cohort." Try "that flea that the mages in Waterdeep would flick around for fun." In LG, a character of 14th-15th level is something. They're the go-to guys for adventures. In FR, a 14th-15th level character is something the local NPC's point at, throw rotten fruit at, and laugh at to see if they can bait them into a fight and kick their rears all over the street. Further, I don't see WotC letting go and actually letting the regional players and triads actually control their own canon. They have way too much tied up in their pre-written canon already, and way too much tied up in the novels and everything else, to let any of use have a real impact on the campaign. I'm watching friends who a few months ago were planning out new characters and excited about a campaign switching into the mode of working out how best to end their primary characters; how to go out with a bang, how to retire, what to do with them. The mood's not fun: it's like a funeral march. Some people are trying to hold their heads high and turn it into a wake, but it's a funeral, make no mistake. I'm watching people writing off Greyhawk Ruins and the rest of the other "new things" recently introduced. Why? Because it's a complete dead-end. Yes, campaigns end. But they should end When they are played through, not at the hand of some bean-counting moron who wants to kill the setting and who has never been a part of the campaign, probably has never even played D&D. So we can play a Snow Elf... to level 4-5 tops. Or a Kobold... to level 4-5 tops. Yippee. Color me unamused. From this moment, I make you at WotC a solemn promise. Until at least October 2009 if not longer, I am not buying one single WotC product. No books. No miniatures. No adventures. NOTHING. I will exist on the 3.5 material I already own. I will not have my characters mess with anything from a book I don't already have. I will not cast spells that are not either in the PHB or Spell Compendium. I will play my existing characters to the end of their natural existence, I will retire my primary and secondary if at all possible, and that will be that. If WotC wanted me to spend money, this is the one surefire way I can show them that it's backfiring on them. I encourage anyone else who feels the same way to do the same. Additionally, at all conventions I go to soon, I will work up a petition and pass it around. We will either hand it to our Triad for mailing, or mail it directly to RPGA HQ and WotC HQ. They think that killing Greyhawk and trying to push Forgotten Realms will make them more money. I think we, the player base, ought to show them how wrong they are. Michael Ahlf DM, Organizer, Player. 27 years old, been playing D&D for 22 of those years.
Howie23 08-19-07, 09:25 PM	NONE of our brand new (players that joined in the last year or so) are going to survive a slow 1-1/2 year play decline being told that the campaign is being shut down, followed by a 6+ month hiatus when NOTHING is being played. Umm...Last LG premiere will be at Origins 2008, and mods continue play through 12/2008. LFR premieres at GenCon 2008. That's a new compaign premiering in 12 months, with a 5 month overlap of both campaigns and editions in organized play. David
bhale187 08-19-07, 09:28 PM	I'm in the position where my daughter, when able to play, won't be able to play in the world that I played in since I was 9. How so? She can still play in a Greyhawk, just not Living Greyhawk. Unless of course you are saying you started playing Living Greyhawk at the age of nine, in which case you've got quite awhile before your daughter is ready to play and who knows what campaign will be pushed by RPGA then.
MadVlad 08-19-07, 09:59 PM	How so? She can still play in a Greyhawk, just not Living Greyhawk. Unless of course you are saying you started playing Living Greyhawk at the age of nine, in which case you've got quite awhile before your daughter is ready to play and who knows what campaign will be pushed by RPGA then. I enjoy the structure of the Living setting, and I don't have time to write my own mods. She will not be able to play in the Greyhawk setting.
heirodule 08-19-07, 10:00 PM	I and my wife are both glad LG is coming to a close. and I have no interest in LFR. More vacation time with the family, and more money saved for other things. eight years of this is enough
UMiskatonic 08-20-07, 01:46 PM	I enjoy the structure of the Living setting, and I don't have time to write my own mods. She will not be able to play in the Greyhawk setting. The mods are already written, my friend. Download as many as you can, from as many regions as you can. You should be able to get all of year six and year seven, easy. Then, keep playing Greyhawk until you run out of mods. Should take a few years.... Or feel free to take the same characters, and make your own ARs to go with any adventure you please. You might not have time to write a mod, but I bet you could buy one. Writing an AR shouldn't be too hard. It's not legit for LG, but it won't matter after 2008.
Timlagor 08-21-07, 07:37 PM	I and my wife are both glad LG is coming to a close. and I have no interest in LFR. More vacation time with the family, and more money saved for other things. eight years of this is enough You couldn't have stopped playing while it was still running?
clannagh 08-21-07, 08:05 PM	You couldn't have stopped playing while it was still running? some things become a work in progress and gain a life of their own you need a catalyst to pull the plug
Madfox11 08-23-07, 08:23 AM	The Greyhawk world has a lot going for it that FR doesn't. It has a set of regions where most of the NPC's are at a level similar to high-level PC's, so high-level PC's can indeed influence regional story arcs. It has a good set of regions for the exploration of the world, and it has a flavor that translates well to modules. You do realize the only reason you do not know about the high level NPCs in Greyhawk is likely because there was no big product in the last 2 decades or so? Hence your only direct contact with high level NPCs is through adventures where there presense/influence is in the background on purpose since PCs need to take the front stage. I have a feeling your opinion is a bit biased here. The Circle, Rary, Robilar, st Cuthbert, several demon lords, Mage of the Valley, Iuz, Vecna and I could go on are all epic or near epic NPCs who have (had) a very active role in Greyhawk and even appeared in official published adventures as direct protoganists. Have some faith in the adventure writers and their editors will you :rolleyes: