Mystic Theurge & Geomancer [Archive] - Wizards Community

Mystic Theurge & Geomancer [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Amerikajin
08-14-05, 03:26 PM In the class features for Geomancer (CD), it says:

"At each new geomancer level, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class to which he belonged before adding the prestige class."

Suppose a player picks "Mystic Theurge" as said spellcasting class, recursively gaining a spellcasting level for both a divine and an arcane spellcasting class.

1. Would Wee Jas strike such a character down out of hand? In other words, is the above scenario possible?
2. Assuming #1 is possible, what would happen if the character's combined geomancer levels and mystic theurge levels exceeded 10? In other words, is 10 the most levels of dual arcane/divine spellcasting you can get no matter what? Or could you make a Wiz 3 / Clr 3 / MyTh 4 / Geo 10 and end up caster level 17 for both wizard and cleric spells at level 20?
3. Assuming #1 is possible, does Geomancer count as both an arcane and a divine spellcasting class? 'Cause if so, recursion allows you to get caster level 20 in your original casting classes with just two levels of Geomancer. For example, a Wiz 3 / Clr 3 / MyTh 1 / Geo 1 takes a level of Geomancer:

Geo => MyTh => (Geo + Geo) => (MyTh + MyTh) => (Geo + Geo + Geo + Geo) => ... you get the idea.

Strike #3, even the most munchkin-headed of players would agree it's not allowed. We'll just assume a little implied "non-geomancer" before the "spellcasting class" in the bold text above.

Somebody should put a ruling on this in an FAQ somewhere.

Remember, hate the game, not the Munchkin! :)
redgamer
08-14-05, 03:49 PM That plan (fortunately) falls short on the first step. Otherwise everyone would be a Mystic Theurge. Mystic Theurge is not a spellcasting class. It has a class ability that improves you divine and arcane spellcaster levels.
Amerikajin
08-14-05, 05:36 PM Good ta know! How does one tell that? Is it simply because it doesn't have a defined spell list of its own?
redgamer
08-14-05, 06:22 PM Any class that give +1 to spellcasting class fits this pattern. So only classes like Pious Templar, Wizard, Ranger and Assassin are considered spellcasting classes. Classes that add to another classes spellcasting abilities cannot in and of them selves be added to. You can however have a half dozen classes all add to your wuzard class for example.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Amerikajin 08-14-05, 03:26 PM	In the class features for Geomancer (CD), it says: "At each new geomancer level, the character gains new spells per day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in a spellcasting class to which he belonged before adding the prestige class." Suppose a player picks "Mystic Theurge" as said spellcasting class, recursively gaining a spellcasting level for both a divine and an arcane spellcasting class. 1. Would Wee Jas strike such a character down out of hand? In other words, is the above scenario possible? 2. Assuming #1 is possible, what would happen if the character's combined geomancer levels and mystic theurge levels exceeded 10? In other words, is 10 the most levels of dual arcane/divine spellcasting you can get no matter what? Or could you make a Wiz 3 / Clr 3 / MyTh 4 / Geo 10 and end up caster level 17 for both wizard and cleric spells at level 20? 3. Assuming #1 is possible, does Geomancer count as both an arcane and a divine spellcasting class? 'Cause if so, recursion allows you to get caster level 20 in your original casting classes with just two levels of Geomancer. For example, a Wiz 3 / Clr 3 / MyTh 1 / Geo 1 takes a level of Geomancer: Geo => MyTh => (Geo + Geo) => (MyTh + MyTh) => (Geo + Geo + Geo + Geo) => ... you get the idea. Strike #3, even the most munchkin-headed of players would agree it's not allowed. We'll just assume a little implied "non-geomancer" before the "spellcasting class" in the bold text above. Somebody should put a ruling on this in an FAQ somewhere. Remember, hate the game, not the Munchkin! :)
redgamer 08-14-05, 03:49 PM	That plan (fortunately) falls short on the first step. Otherwise everyone would be a Mystic Theurge. Mystic Theurge is not a spellcasting class. It has a class ability that improves you divine and arcane spellcaster levels.
Amerikajin 08-14-05, 05:36 PM	Good ta know! How does one tell that? Is it simply because it doesn't have a defined spell list of its own?
redgamer 08-14-05, 06:22 PM	Any class that give +1 to spellcasting class fits this pattern. So only classes like Pious Templar, Wizard, Ranger and Assassin are considered spellcasting classes. Classes that add to another classes spellcasting abilities cannot in and of them selves be added to. You can however have a half dozen classes all add to your wuzard class for example.