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| Puggle Halfwine12-02-07, 04:18 AM | Hey guys, Are there any LG adaptables planned for late 2007, 2008? Inquiring and uninformed minds want to know! |
| twells12-02-07, 05:54 PM | Here here .... Are any new adaptables going to be released before 2007? If so, what would the APls be? |
| Redfist12-03-07, 11:04 AM | I somehow doubt any new adaptables will be released before 2007 (given that 2007 has already arrived). :D |
| twells12-03-07, 01:45 PM | Redfist has caught me red-faced.... I will restate my original question for clarity ... Are any new adaptables going to be released before the end of 2007? If so, what would the APLs be? I am a supporter of your Online Campaign for Real English. As such, I will commit seppuku after this message has posted for my obvious error. |
| Puggle Halfwine12-03-07, 02:47 PM | I will commit seppuku after this message has posted for my obvious error. Shikataganai, yo. Can I be your second? |
| Redfist12-03-07, 03:05 PM | Tone is hard to convey over the net. Hopefully the big grin helped. hehe |
| twells12-03-07, 04:01 PM | Shikataganai, yo. Can I be your second? Hai, arigato gozaimasu. |
| Puggle Halfwine12-03-07, 04:19 PM | ひらがなが読むから、この文が読みできます。おめれとございます！ *chop!* |
| Sieylianna12-03-07, 05:46 PM | I'll be very much surprised if we see any new adaptables. The Circle has six months until the campaign ends* and are probably innudated in module reviews along with planning what is happening in the core areas. I don't expect WotC to release any new 3.5 modules which are capable of being adapted. So the question is whether there is a released module which could reasonably be adapted, that the Circle hasn't said yea or neah on. * By ends, I mean new modules being released. Ed |
| firebeetle12-04-07, 12:45 AM | Well. . .I know that the adaptable for Sinister Spire was completed "quite some time ago". Customer service has not been able to provide a reason why it has been delayed, but has agreed to update me once it does. I would like to know why the hard work of overloaded circle members sits, unappreciated, by a WotC staffer. Is it indeed a WotC staffer that uploads the mods to the system, or a volunteer? Does anyone know? My money is on the former. Of course, I'm just a regular, $500+/yr. consumer of D&D product waiting for an adaptation for a product I purchased in June. What right do I have to question the infinite wisdom of "Whenever"? I don't, so I'll just sit quietly on my hands until one of the over 300 employees of the World Leader in Hobby Gaming gets around to uploading a less than 1 MG file. No complaints, no worries, it will get done when it gets done or not at all after December of next year. That's just fine by me. |
| Madfox1112-04-07, 03:55 AM | Apparently there was a internet hickup and the adaptation sheet did not arrive at RPGA HQ. It has been resend. The sequel should also be adapted barring unforseen circumstances. I doubt there are going to be any more adaptations since as far as I know there are no new D&D 3.5 edition adventures in the make. Pieter Sleijpen RPGA LG circle member The Splintered Suns |
| Mattastrophic12-04-07, 09:31 AM | I doubt there are going to be any more adaptations since as far as I know there are no new D&D 3.5 edition adventures in the make. Well, I'd certainly hope that Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk isn't being canceled. -Matt |
| rockondon12-05-07, 01:55 AM | aren't City of Peril and Sinister Spire going to be made into adapted mods? |
| Madfox1112-05-07, 03:29 AM | Alright, I was talking about adaptations for new adventures. Greyhawk Ruins (at RPGA HQ - delayed on purpose due to series of cores that involve the adventure), Sinister Spire (at RPGA HQ), Fortress of Yuan-ti (being worked on as we speak) and City of Peril should become available as an adaptable. I will ask about the status of City of Peril... |
| Puggle Halfwine12-08-07, 10:17 PM | Any further news on this? I am determined to get my kobold as high level as possible before the campaign ends- these lower level adaptables are crucial to this plan. :) Cheers, Dave. |
| Greyson12-08-07, 11:00 PM | aren't City of Peril ... going to be made into adapted [adventures] Do not expect City of Peril to be adapted into Living Greyhawk. It's not really an adventure. It's more like a resource for a GM needing urban encounters for varying levels. And, Griffon's Nest (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgmp/20070522a) was used as the ubiquitous tavern at the beginning of CGR7-01:1 Death in the Free City. That adventure even calls City of Peril a "supplement". |
| firebeetle12-09-07, 11:30 AM | Any further news on this? I am determined to get my kobold as high level as possible before the campaign ends- these lower level adaptables are crucial to this plan. :) Cheers, Dave. That's a very dangerous line of questioning. Apparently planning is a big no-no. http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=946966 |
| magebeast12-09-07, 11:42 AM | That's a very dangerous line of questioning. Apparently planning is a big no-no. http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=946966 Are you really going to start this again? |
| dragon200812-09-07, 12:27 PM | Don't feed the animals. |
| CSHunt6812-09-07, 02:15 PM | Puggle, feel free to plan away. As long as you don't play a mod for your gaming companions then wait for the LG Adaptation to come out so you can hand out ARs, you'll be fine. |
| Mattastrophic12-09-07, 03:36 PM | CSHunt, just don't. -Matt |
| WizO_Kayn12-10-07, 08:52 AM | Please remember to make your posts constructive. When you throw out remarks in a kind of snarky manner it tends to bait people into conflict. And - Baiting is against the COC. Just re-read what you post before submitting. Thanks WizO Kayn |
| Puggle Halfwine12-10-07, 09:10 AM | Stay on target, stay on target...! Any news on when these adaptables may be out? :) And no, I haven't played either of them in any capacity... |
| TimRat12-11-07, 10:59 AM | hopefullly sinister spire will be up on the ordering site any day now. |
| twells12-14-07, 11:14 AM | Thanks for the work on getting this scenario up. Is there any indication about what APL this will be played at? I have been 'holding' a character back in anticipation that I would not advance to far to play this one. Thanks for any insight you could provide into this. Cheers |
| Greyson12-14-07, 12:32 PM | Is there any indication about what APL this will be played at? Expect The Sinister Spire to be APL4. This adventure sounds like a good one for Greyhawk Ruins characters that have not advanced too far. |
| RtrnofdMax12-14-07, 01:53 PM | Wasn't Forgotten King at APL4 too? My guy leveled to 5 during that adventure and is now 6. Kinda makes it hard to keep playing the same guys. |
| Greyson12-14-07, 06:26 PM | Wasn't Forgotten King at APL4 too? Yep, Barrow of the Forgotten King is APL4 and APL5 (you should have gotten two adventure records for it). So, maybe The Sinister Spire shall be APL6. I think that would be nice. We shall see - keep your fingers crossed for APL6. |
| MwaO12-14-07, 09:17 PM | Yep, Barrow of the Forgotten King is APL4 and APL5 (you should have gotten two adventure records for it). So, maybe The Sinister Spire shall be APL6. I think that would be nice. We shall see - keep your fingers crossed for APL6. It wasn't really APL 4 - it was an adventure designed for high 2nd/low 3rd level characters that would take them to high 4th/low 5th. |
| Puggle Halfwine12-15-07, 02:00 AM | Any news on this? |
| CSHunt6812-15-07, 10:07 AM | Nope. |
| Puggle Halfwine12-15-07, 08:53 PM | Would it help if I made a plush kobold and sent it to whoever's responsible for getting the adaptables up? |
| firebeetle12-16-07, 06:59 PM | I understand completely your desire to get this adaptable available and I've been after this question since early September (yes, September): 1.) I've been told that I should not even be asking this question, as it is disrespectful to the efforts of the volunteers that work on such things. 2.) That I have no right to ask for things will be done "when they are done" without estimate. 3.) That instead of planning on using a module that is slated to be adapted, I should only use what is available. Thus, even though my PCs have run through the first module, my entire campaign must go on hiatus until the adaptable is uploaded, and I don't know when that is pursuant #2. 4.) Despite the RPGA being part of Wizard's (a company with hundreds of employees and international offices*) marketing division, I have no right to expect an adaptation from a product released over six months prior. In bringing this issue to light, I have been insulted and belittled and eventually censured. I have found out that the person doing the original conversion has completed it some time ago (contrary to the objections of those claiming to know more than I.) I've contacted customer service and have received "we don't know yet" as a response. I have offered to volunteer my own time (which is quite sparse.) No avail. NO ONE will say who is responsible for getting this thing, which is apparently complete, uploaded. So there is no accountability that I can see. As a consumer, I am powerless in this situation. After this post, all sorts of people will be upset for my comments, and this thread will be shut down as a result and I'll be accused of "baiting" for bringing up what shouldn't be a controversial topic. Ironically, there has been more work by all parties into discussing why this adaptable is unavailable than it would be to just upload it. All in all, it's frustrating as all hell. *http://ww2.wizards.com/Company/ & http://ww2.wizards.com/Company/info/default.aspx |
| magebeast12-16-07, 09:16 PM | I understand completely your desire to get this adaptable available and I've been after this question since early September (yes, September): 1.) I've been told that I should not even be asking this question, as it is disrespectful to the efforts of the volunteers that work on such things. 2.) That I have no right to ask for things will be done "when they are done" without estimate. 3.) That instead of planning on using a module that is slated to be adapted, I should only use what is available. Thus, even though my PCs have run through the first module, my entire campaign must go on hiatus until the adaptable is uploaded, and I don't know when that is pursuant #2. 4.) Despite the RPGA being part of Wizard's (a company with hundreds of employees and international offices*) marketing division, I have no right to expect an adaptation from a product released over six months prior. In bringing this issue to light, I have been insulted and belittled and eventually censured. I have found out that the person doing the original conversion has completed it some time ago (contrary to the objections of those claiming to know more than I.) I've contacted customer service and have received "we don't know yet" as a response. I have offered to volunteer my own time (which is quite sparse.) No avail. NO ONE will say who is responsible for getting this thing, which is apparently complete, uploaded. So there is no accountability that I can see. As a consumer, I am powerless in this situation. After this post, all sorts of people will be upset for my comments, and this thread will be shut down as a result and I'll be accused of "baiting" for bringing up what shouldn't be a controversial topic. Ironically, there has been more work by all parties into discussing why this adaptable is unavailable than it would be to just upload it. All in all, it's frustrating as all hell. *http://ww2.wizards.com/Company/ & http://ww2.wizards.com/Company/info/default.aspx You were given answers. You didn't like them, so you demanded different ones - as if such a demand would change anything. You were given the same answers. Again, you didn't like them, so you demanded different ones. You demanded different ones once again. Things had changed a little bit at this point, so you were given a different answer. You didn't like that answer either, so you reiterated everything like it was something new and then you're shocked that people are tired of it? |
| firebeetle12-16-07, 10:26 PM | You were given answers. You didn't like them, so you demanded different ones - as if such a demand would change anything. You were given the same answers. Again, you didn't like them, so you demanded different ones. You demanded different ones once again. Things had changed a little bit at this point, so you were given a different answer. You didn't like that answer either, so you reiterated everything like it was something new and then you're shocked that people are tired of it? What answer? When is the adaptable going to be available? What is that answer? No one knows. That's not an answer. It's a lack of answer. There is no reason why there should be a lack of answer. My demands for "different answers" where questions regarding the various excuses, many of them untrue, that were given to me. If you find this tiresome, then you do not have to engage. If you are content with the system, then be content. It's been seven months, I've been asking for over three months, and there is still no ETA on this adaptable despite the fact that it is done. No, I'm not content with that. |
| Redfist12-16-07, 11:39 PM | I would also love to know a schedule and also APL ranges for upcoming ADPs. However, I'm not coming to the boards acting indignant (deserved or not) about it. Do I wish things were different than they are? Sure. Am I complaining about it? No. your mileage may vary. |
| CSHunt6812-17-07, 07:47 AM | I thought you were dropping it, beetle. One more time: they'll be ready when they're ready; there is no schedule for release. |
| Puggle Halfwine12-17-07, 12:08 PM | Firebeetle... Your argument aside (not disagreeing, not agreeing, not touching it with a 10 foot pole)... your tone doesn't help. You may feel that way, but posting in such a way as you did* isn't going to help the modules come out any faster. I have found that politely reminding people every so often works much better. * I quote Adams' Law: On the internet, everyone writes 50% more aggressive than they would speak, and their posts are read with 50% more malice than they intend. |
| bitznarf12-18-07, 06:39 PM | http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgcn/20071218a |
| magebeast12-18-07, 06:59 PM | http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgcn/20071218a Wow. That favor went from way overpowered to pretty lame. |
| firebeetle01-13-08, 10:13 AM | A month since the last update, over two months from contact with customer service and the writer, four months since the promise of "done at the end of September", over six months from product release. Still no adaptable. It is very hard run an RPGA campaign based on a series of WotC product when two/thirds of it is not available. I bought these product on my very limited budget with the understanding that I would be able to play them as RPGA modules. This is simply not true. All of which makes me reticent to purchase WotC product or align my homeplay with RPGA further. Many of you will reply, "so what?" However, Loren Greenwood will not be so cavalier. Wizards is a business, and the RPGA is part of that business. Everything I have said is true. If the RPGA cannot function in a timely manner (over six months of wait is absolutely not timely) then they need more support. Instead of sending the usual crapfest at me, perhaps we should be less patient and more active. If you send a query to customer service, this raises attention to the issue. If you write a letter, this will not disband the RPGA, but bring attention to the issue that you value the RPGA and would like to see more resources for it. More likely though, someone will shovel crap at me instead. |
| magebeast01-13-08, 10:46 AM | More likely though, someone will shovel crap at me instead. This attitude is why people "shovel crap" at you. |
| Mattastrophic01-13-08, 01:20 PM | I feel your pain, firebeetle. I really, really do. However, I, and probably a lot of my fellow players, had lost our faith in the RPGA's ability to keep date-based promises a long time ago. There's the Deities document: "Version 2.1 will be released in a few days." (as of March 2, 2005.) CORS8-01 is being released about three and a half years after its predecessor, COR4-07 Full Circle to Oblivion. And Bridge Over Svartjet, originally a Year 3 module, (anybody remember Beneath the Veil?) is coming up on five years late. So if we don't seem as angry as you are, it's probably because we've already set our expectations. -Matt |
| bitznarf01-14-08, 01:17 PM | It's not like you are helping matters here CSHunt. |
| kenobi6501-14-08, 02:38 PM | So if we don't seem as angry as you are, it's probably because we've already set our expectations. Indeed...especially on campaigns that are drawing to a close, the RPGA has a history of not getting things out there in a timely fashion. Unfortunately, it sends a message of, "ehhh, it's ending anyway, it's not worth getting done." - I seem to recall that the final Legacy of the Green Regent module took a long time to be released, if it ever was. - There were a number of Living Force modules from Year 4 and Year 5 that never got released, despite a number of promises that they would be. |
| CSHunt6801-14-08, 02:41 PM | It's not like you are helping matters here CSHunt. There's no matter to be helped. The whining is tiresome, as previously posted. I find it irritating that some people continue to feel entitled to badger a volunteer organization repeatedly about the same things time after time. My post(s) will do nothing to alter firebeetle's attitude or behaviour, so what's your particular complaint? The adaptables will be ready when they're ready. There is nothing else to say. DO NOT PLAY ADAPTABLES BEFORE THEY'RE ADAPTED. |
| JamesMaissen01-14-08, 02:59 PM | There's no matter to be helped. The whining is tiresome, as previously posted. I find it irritating that some people continue to feel entitled to badger a volunteer organization repeatedly about the same things time after time. Well a volunteer organization does deserve some slack.. but it should not deserve Carte Blanche. It obviously matters to the original poster, so I don't see a problem with the campaign keeping us in the loop on to what's going on. Besides, if it's already done and at wizards then you're beyond the volunteer part of the process, aren't you? You're waiting on paid employees to do their job, n'est pas? -James |
| CSHunt6801-14-08, 03:05 PM | Well a volunteer organization does deserve some slack.. but it should not deserve Carte Blanche. Why? It obviously matters to the original poster, so I don't see a problem with the campaign keeping us in the loop on to what's going on. If there were news, we'd have it. Besides, if it's already done and at wizards then you're beyond the volunteer part of the process, aren't you? You're waiting on paid employees to do their job, n'est pas? -James The delivery of the LG adaptation of this WotC product is entirely gratis. No matter what point it's at. You're not paying the employees a single dime, and they'll work as directed by their employers. There is no entitlement. |
| bitznarf01-14-08, 03:08 PM | Why? Are you seriously asking why people should expect others to do what they said they would do in a timely fashion? |
| CSHunt6801-14-08, 03:12 PM | Are you seriously asking why people should expect others to do what they said they would do in a timely fashion? I am SERIOUSLY asking you why YOU are entitled to ANYTHING from a volunteer organization. Yup. |
| bitznarf01-14-08, 03:16 PM | I am SERIOUSLY asking you why YOU are entitled to ANYTHING from a volunteer organization. Yup. I don't expect the RPGA Volunteers to do anything beyond what they say they will do. As for why I expect that, I guess it has something to do with expecting a certain degree of work ethic, regardless of getting paid for it or not. This has *nothing* to do with entitlement. |
| RtrnofdMax01-14-08, 04:28 PM | There's no matter to be helped. The whining is tiresome, as previously posted. I find it irritating that some people continue to feel entitled to badger a volunteer organization repeatedly about the same things time after time. My post(s) will do nothing to alter firebeetle's attitude or behaviour, so what's your particular complaint? The adaptables will be ready when they're ready. There is nothing else to say. DO NOT PLAY ADAPTABLES BEFORE THEY'RE ADAPTED. Firebeetle whines incessantly about this and doesn't show respect or patience. There is no argument from me about this. The issue with you is that you frequently and consistently attack him. You have attempted to place yourself as the righteous defender of LG volunteerdom but that's not your place. Nor are your methods acceptable. The hard working men and women of this campaign can defend themselves if they feel so insulted by his constant badgering. Your comments are being noticed by people (myself and bitz, if no one else) and they need to be taken for what they are: flaming. You can place yourself on the righteous side of an issue and then pervert it until it is evil. This has happened throughout history and will continue to. I appreciate the fact that you love this campaign and can't stand to hear people say negative things about it or the people who drive it, but please, remember that even the most backwards person deserves a degree of respect. |
| kenobi6501-14-08, 05:04 PM | Your comments are being noticed by people (myself and bitz, if no one else) and they need to be taken for what they are: flaming. Indeed, both sides of that discussion are getting tiresome. |
| boolean01-14-08, 05:13 PM | Well a volunteer organization does deserve some slack.. but it should not deserve Carte Blanche. As far as The Sinister Spire is concerned, the volunteer part of the organization did it's part of the job some time ago. The problem is that, despite it being submitted quite some time ago, the adaptation still hasn't been put into the database by HQ (the part of the RPGA that has paid WotC employees) . |
| Sieylianna01-14-08, 06:26 PM | The problem is that, despite it being submitted quite some time ago, the adaptation still hasn't been put into the database by HQ (the part of the RPGA that has paid WotC employees) . Except the people that handle the database and web page and so forth are not RPGA employees. They're generic staff people who work on what their bosses tell them to work on. And since the RPGA brings in ZERO revenue, it's at the bottom of the queue. Ed |
| firebeetle01-14-08, 07:58 PM | I feel your pain, firebeetle. I really, really do. However, I, and probably a lot of my fellow players, had lost our faith in the RPGA's ability to keep date-based promises a long time ago. There's the Deities document: "Version 2.1 will be released in a few days." (as of March 2, 2005.) CORS8-01 is being released about three and a half years after its predecessor, COR4-07 Full Circle to Oblivion. And Bridge Over Svartjet, originally a Year 3 module, (anybody remember Beneath the Veil?) is coming up on five years late. So if we don't seem as angry as you are, it's probably because we've already set our expectations. -Matt This is the best point anyone has made so far. Thank you. |
| MwaO01-14-08, 08:20 PM | Except the people that handle the database and web page and so forth are not RPGA employees. They're generic staff people who work on what their bosses tell them to work on. And since the RPGA brings in ZERO revenue, it's at the bottom of the queue. Ed Some staff person is putting up the PDFs and modifying the database for COR modes. Given putting up an ADP means they sell mods, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me - what wouldn't be surprising is if the COR mods themselves weren't being put up. |
| JamesMaissen01-15-08, 02:52 AM | Except the people that handle the database and web page and so forth are not RPGA employees. They're generic staff people who work on what their bosses tell them to work on. And since the RPGA brings in ZERO revenue, it's at the bottom of the queue. Ed Funny the RPGA has brought in over a $1000 from me alone. As there's no way I would have bought much of 3.0 (and nothing of 3.5) without it. -James |
| Sieylianna01-15-08, 05:34 PM | Funny the RPGA has brought in over a $1000 from me alone. As there's no way I would have bought much of 3.0 (and nothing of 3.5) without it. And that is a big part of the RPGA's problem. The campaigns lead to selling product, but there is no way to prove that the RPGA is the source of the sales. If the RPGA had a method to demonstrate their impact on sales, I think it would be much better funded. That's why I always mention the living campaigns (LA, LK, Blackmoor, etc) to the smaller manufacturers when I make purchases at Gen Con and/or Origins. Ed |
| Suvarov45401-15-08, 07:29 PM | Funny the RPGA has brought in over a $1000 from me alone. As there's no way I would have bought much of 3.0 (and nothing of 3.5) without it. -James I realize that my chiming in with "me too" (all three 3.5 core rulebooks and a dozen splatbooks all purchased solely to support my LG play) is just another anecdote. Still, the plural of "anecdote" is "data" (or, in this case, "marketing data"). Furthermore, I'm planning on picking up the full spread of v4.0 rulebooks plus a subscription to DnDInsider. Just to play RPGA campaigns (Faerun if that's all they have, even though I prefer the world of Greyhawk). Please post the adaptable! |
| TetsujinOni01-16-08, 02:04 AM | I realize that my chiming in with "me too" (all three 3.5 core rulebooks and a dozen splatbooks all purchased solely to support my LG play) is just another anecdote. Still, the plural of "anecdote" is "data" (or, in this case, "marketing data"). Furthermore, I'm planning on picking up the full spread of v4.0 rulebooks plus a subscription to DnDInsider. Just to play RPGA campaigns (Faerun if that's all they have, even though I prefer the world of Greyhawk). Please post the adaptable! Gee, wonder where I feel that statement from. Oh right, that'd be my pocket. And my bookshelves... |
| qstor01-17-08, 02:40 PM | hopefullly sinister spire will be up on the ordering site any day now. Tim, I don't think this is a spoiler and not sure you mentioned it before but is Sinister Spire for APL 6? thanks Mike |
| twells01-25-08, 05:26 PM | Any update on when this may or may not be available to play? Inquiring mind (and characters rapidly advancing out of APL range) would like to know. |
| TimRat01-29-08, 10:15 AM | i am trying to find out and i know its been real long time but we can't seem to get an answer from the person who has done this. as soon as i know i'll let all of you know. |
| bitznarf01-29-08, 11:22 AM | Thanks for the update Tim, it is much appreciated. |
| chesspiece01-29-08, 05:37 PM | i am trying to find out and i know its been real long time but we can't seem to get an answer from the person who has done this. as soon as i know i'll let all of you know. Thank you, Tim. If we can trouble you for a full update (since it sounds like you're asking the key people), this is the latest news that I could find: The expected ADPs are: The Sinister Spire (published June/07) - Conversion was completed and delivered to HQ Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk (published August/07) - Planned for conversion Fortress of the Yuan-ti (published September/07) - Should have been given to HQ sometime this month Any news you can give us (conversion completion date, planned posting date, APLs) would be greatly welcomed. |
| twells02-11-08, 11:07 AM | i am trying to find out and i know its been real long time but we can't seem to get an answer from the person who has done this. as soon as i know i'll let all of you know. Hey Tim, have you had any luck in shaking this one out? Thanks again for taking the ball and trying to get it over the goal line for us. |
| firebeetle02-21-08, 10:00 AM | February is ending, still no adaptable. Work which was done months ago sits somewhere without being loaded. There has been an assertion that the RPGA generates no sales therefore warrants no support (which they obviously need.) As a direct result of this "lack of adaptable" issue, I have not purchased any further D&D product. I wanted to run an RPGA campaign and planned according to the details of the modules. I was completely prevented from doing so, even though these adaptations have been promised, and have been roundly and throughly criticized for complaining about it. No thank you. So no more D&D product line for me, I've gone back to Call of Cthulhu. This is exactly what the investment in RPGA represents (and they know it.) It is to create a metagaming structure, a level playing field where customers can met and use the product in a uniform fashion. This generates sales, because you feel the need to continue your participation in D&D to continue in the RPGA. The moment I realized this adapatable really wasn't coming, I stopped buying D&D and started picking of CoC instead. I've been to one gameday this last school year, I went to at least one a month prior. I'm angry about the lack of adaptable, angry over my treatment here, angry that I feel for a promise that wasn't kept. Playing a long campaign that spat out high level character was my goal. This was going to be Red Hand of Doom or Demonweb Pits after the "Forgotten King" series. Masks of Nyarlathotep is my campaign now, and I'm loving it. Let's be clear folks, RPGA is part of WotC, not some independently run organization. Yes, it relies on volunteers (God bless them) but unless whatever code monkey (paid employee) can actually upload the already completed adaptable, I'm not interested in investing any more time or money into RPGA. I wonder if Greenwood reads these? |
| CSHunt6802-21-08, 10:07 AM | Let's be clear folks, RPGA is part of WotC, not some independently run organization. Yes, it relies on volunteers (God bless them) but unless whatever code monkey (paid employee) can actually upload the already completed adaptable, I'm not interested in investing any more time or money into RPGA. I wonder if Greenwood reads these? Just assume that it's not coming. That's always been the safest course of action. And stop posting on the RPGA boards if you're not playing RPGA anymore. |
| TimRat02-21-08, 10:09 PM | yes i know its been very frustrating. I am hoping that i can get an answer at DDXP next week. there will hopefully be the people there that i can talk to, to see where the heck Sinister spire is. |
| Puggle Halfwine02-23-08, 06:15 AM | yes i know its been very frustrating. I am hoping that i can get an answer at DDXP next week. there will hopefully be the people there that i can talk to, to see where the heck Sinister spire is. Thank you Tim. This would not only be epicly awesome, but amazingly superlicious as well. P.S. If you do find whoever is responsible, castigate them in the name of the most holy Britt, then find a wifi-capable laptop and get them to upload it on the spot. If you can do this, everyone would be eternally thankful. |
| firebeetle03-03-08, 07:33 PM | Why in God's name would I want to exchange e-mails with that guy? I'd much rather chronicle my wait for this adaptable in diary form. Spirewatch, day 149 Sinister Spire today? No way :( |
| clannagh03-03-08, 08:29 PM | I actually gave up and gave my copy of Sinister Spire away back in January. In reality people are probably better off if it gets pulled altogether and released later on as a Realms adaptable. By the time it comes out for LG there will likely only be a few diehards left playing to the bitter end with non-retiring level 15's :) |
| TimRat03-03-08, 09:55 PM | ok now i have a definite answer (and this was answered at DDXP members meeting) that by the end of the next week for sure both fortress and sinister will be done and sent to HQ. then's its just a matter of them putting it up on the database. There was some issues going on that we had to resolve at ddxp and they were finalized thus now we know when these are coming out. so yes both will be out for sure. |
| Wraith23503-03-08, 10:33 PM | are the APL's announced yet ? |
| Puggle Halfwine03-04-08, 08:19 AM | ok now i have a definite answer (and this was answered at DDXP members meeting) that by the end of the next week for sure both fortress and sinister will be done and sent to HQ. then's its just a matter of them putting it up on the database. There was some issues going on that we had to resolve at ddxp and they were finalized thus now we know when these are coming out. so yes both will be out for sure. Yes! Thank you. Not quite in time to save me from taking half, but thank you. :) |
| Greyson03-04-08, 01:03 PM | are the APL's announced yet? Nobody said anything about the APLs at the RPGA meeting at D&DXP. But, I imagine The Sinister Spire shall be APL 6 or APL 7 and Fortress of the Yuan-ti shall be APL 8. As Tim said above, Chris indicated at D&DXP that there were some issues with The Sinister Spire, but that they have been resolved. Keep your fingers crossed that it shows up as Adapted in two or three weeks. |
| firebeetle03-05-08, 08:37 PM | Spirewatch 152 Gary Gygax died yesterday and we are all sad. |
| Puggle Halfwine03-06-08, 10:10 AM | TimRat, can you do me a massive favour and post here (or somewhere) when the two adaptables are available for ordering? The folks here are rapidly outlevelling the APLs for these games, so the second they're available we'll play... |
| WizO_Kayn03-10-08, 01:55 PM | If you see off topic or baiting posts, dont respond to them here please, just report them. I know its frustrating, but it makes your post off topic too so they've baited you into breaking the COC as well. Hopefully I've got things cleared up here. Thanks WizO Kayn |
| Puggle Halfwine03-10-08, 10:56 PM | End of the week, apparently. Both of these will be up at the end of this week. Please make sure this happens. In two weeks we have a big con where the character I can play these adapteds in will level way out of APL. He's currently seven (7) exp away from level 8. Please post these adapteds! |
| firebeetle03-11-08, 12:15 AM | Spirewatch day 154 Alas, Sinister Spire is for naught. Where art thou spire, where hast thou sinisterness gone? Without thee, my campaign is lost. |
| Howie2303-11-08, 01:26 AM | *original post deleted* Upon this site once stood the Odd Post*. The Odd Post was an artistic experiment. And, while I enjoyed writing the Odd Post, I fear its message may have been misunderstood or lost, which is the reason I deleted it. If anyone has a copy of the Odd Post, please PM it to me, I didn't keep it. Thanks, David *The title "Odd Post" is attributed to Redfist. |
| Madfox1103-11-08, 12:37 PM | Sinister Spire is for 5th and 6th level characters, but it is APL 6 on the AR. 7th level characters might get some fun from the adventure, but higher level characters will have a real easy time. Note that like Barrow you can level mid-adventure. |
| dkay80703-12-08, 01:34 AM | Sinister Spire is for 5th and 6th level characters, but it is APL 6 on the AR. 7th level characters might get some fun from the adventure, but higher level characters will have a real easy time. Note that like Barrow you can level mid-adventure. Where are you getting this information from? |
| kenobi6503-12-08, 01:40 AM | Where are you getting this information from? Given that Madfox11 also goes by the name Pieter Sleijpen, I'd say his source is "the horse's mouth". ;) |
| Puggle Halfwine03-12-08, 06:45 AM | Based on the announcement that, hell or high water, the adaptables would be out by the end of this week- I've scheduled a game of the first (Sinister Spire) for next weekend (Friday the 21st of March). Got a DM, full party, venue, coke- the works. Just need the modules. If for some reason this thing falls though and the mods are not uploaded by, say, Thursday morning American time- please. PLEASE. PM me and I'll hand over my e-mail address so that we can run this mod. ... as long as you're campaign staff. |
| Madfox1103-12-08, 07:52 AM | Where are you getting this information from? Sorry, I should have signed it with my name and job at the RPGA: Pieter Sleijpen RPGA Living Greyhawk Circle Member The Splintered Suns (And I designed the ARs and ironed out the problems.) P.S. Sinister Spire is a direct sequel to Barrow of the Forgotten King. While it is not required to have played the first, it is certainly more fun and the adventure does contain some minor spoilers of Barrows. Playing them out of order also makes little sense. |
| _metz_03-12-08, 08:01 AM | Based on the announcement that, hell or high water, the adaptables would be out by the end of this week- I've scheduled a game of the first (Sinister Spire) for next weekend (Friday the 21st of March). Got a DM, full party, venue, coke- the works. Just need the modules. If for some reason this thing falls though and the mods are not uploaded by, say, Thursday morning American time- please. PLEASE. PM me and I'll hand over my e-mail address so that we can run this mod. ... as long as you're campaign staff. Going to have that darn kobold at the wedding aren't I. |
| Surgebuster03-12-08, 08:07 AM | Based on the announcement that, hell or high water, the adaptables would be out by the end of this week- I've scheduled a game of the first (Sinister Spire) for next weekend (Friday the 21st of March). Got a DM, full party, venue, coke- the works. Just need the modules. If for some reason this thing falls though and the mods are not uploaded by, say, Thursday morning American time- please. PLEASE. PM me and I'll hand over my e-mail address so that we can run this mod. ... as long as you're campaign staff. Dude, the senior campaign staff really aren't at the beck and call of a player publicly demanding (however politely) that he be personally contacted should they not meet his deadline. Remember that uploading to the site also relies on people that do not answer to LG staff. I know you're keen to play the modules and yes, they weren't released as quickly as we'd all have liked, however, doing it for one player means doing it for all. :) Joe P.S. At the very least you could have PM'd the person responsible instead of publicly demanding it? :) |
| _metz_03-12-08, 08:15 AM | Dude, the senior campaign staff really aren't at the beck and call of a player publicly demanding (however politely) that he be personally contacted should they not meet his deadline. Remember that uploading to the site also relies on people that do not answer to LG staff. I know you're keen to play the modules and yes, they weren't released as quickly as we'd all have liked, however, doing it for one player means doing it for all. :) Joe P.S. At the very least you could have PM'd the person responsible instead of publicly demanding it? :) Joe and I never agree but do have to whisper 'hear hear' on this one... I know you meant well Dave, no criticism ya crazy Kobold lover... but harrassing the poor circle rep is what this Firebeetle bloke was doing all along, if it was only him that it affected I would have suggested not adapting it on principle so that bloke would learn his lesson about harrassing VOLUNTEERS that do hard work so he can have these play oppurtunities he whinges that he doesn't get! I also heard that the issues were not just cosmetic, so thank you Peter, for getting it done. In any case sounds like you are in luck Dave, so enjoy the mod! I know I shouldn't encourage you and your silly tiny Kobold. Oh and Howie: I really liked your vocal support. Twas the stuff sagas are made of! |
| dkay80703-12-08, 08:28 AM | Sorry, I should have signed it with my name and job at the RPGA: Pieter Sleijpen RPGA Living Greyhawk Circle Member The Splintered Suns (And I designed the ARs and ironed out the problems.) P.S. Sinister Spire is a direct sequel to Barrow of the Forgotten King. While it is not required to have played the first, it is certainly more fun and the adventure does contain some minor spoilers of Barrows. Playing them out of order also makes little sense. Ah that would explain it. I had to ask :) |
| Howie2303-12-08, 09:06 AM | Oh and Howie: I really liked your vocal support. Twas the stuff sagas are made of! Thanks Metz. :\ I feared the message had been buried under too many layers, twists, and turns. David |
| Greyson03-12-08, 01:05 PM | Oh and Howie: I really liked your vocal support. Twas the stuff sagas are made of! Yeah, I thought that was awesome, too, David. Knowing the "twists, turns and layers" gave it kind of an insider feeling, lol. I thought it was freakin' perfect. |
| firebeetle03-13-08, 12:49 AM | Spirewatch 155. No sinister, no spire, not even a 'the'. Nothing but harrassing the poor circle rep is what this Firebeetle bloke was doing all along, if it was only him that it affected I would have suggested not adapting it on principle so that bloke would learn his lesson about harrassing VOLUNTEERS that do hard work so he can have these play oppurtunities he whinges that he doesn't get! Not releasing a module to "punish" an RPGA member who had the audacity to not conform. This is reasonable? I feel like Number 6 in the old Prisoner show. "Unmutual! Unmutual!" I have praised the volunteers many times over. I've indicated that the RPGA obviously needs more support from the company (and actually had people tell me that it just can't, there's self-defeating thinking for you.) I've asked and been denied access to the person that actually loads the thing. I've gone through customer service only to get a vague answer. I've written Loren Greenwood and have not received a response. I wouldn't say I've been "all about" harrassing volunteers at all and I am very grateful for their efforts. I have refused to accept "when it does, if it does" as an answer, and frankly so should everyone else. There is no accountability with such an attitude. I'll say it a different way, if Wizards advertises product as being RPGA playable, then Wizards should ensure that it is and not leave it to unpaid staff to make good on that promise. They have the resources, it is simply a matter of accountability which is obviously lacking. I have no doubt in my mind that my "squeaky wheel" impression has kept this issue alive. It has not vanished into forgotten memories as so many planned modules have before. I thank all the individuals who have contributed, and again call for reforms to make sure this does not happen anymore. Over 150 days (much more than that compared to Barrow of the Forgotten King) is really a long time. Of course, we haven't seen the module yet, but we have another promise. This is, er, promising. |
| Puggle Halfwine03-13-08, 10:11 AM | Going to have that darn kobold at the wedding aren't I. Yep! Wings and all. Signed up and everything! Dude, the senior campaign staff really aren't at the beck and call of a player publicly demanding (however politely) that he be personally contacted should they not meet his deadline. Whops. Sorry if I came across that way- having read the way you read my post, I guess that's how it could be interpreted. I know things don't often work out the way they should- not like I've never missed a deadline. I'm just saying... we have a table organized. I'd like to do this thing- officially. (except for the whole... you know. Asking-for-the-mod-under-the-table thing. THAT wasn't very official, I'll admit) Plus, well, if I don't play it before the con, I'm gunna level way out of range for it. With the campaign ending very shortly, and having played all the 2-8 APL mods out, I'm not about to start a new character. I'd be annoyed if I missed it (since I played Barrow with this character), but I'm not gunna slit my throat over it. I didn't intend to *demand* anything- and I didn't mean to harass. I was just requesting a favor. If I don't get it, I won't get bent out of shape. And I did say please! More of the same... Mate. Ok, here. Lemme lay it down for you straight. You're making a valid point in a very invalid manner. Yes- if WotC is prepared to advertise a module as RPGA playable, then fail to deliver in a timely fashion, this is bad form. If it was important to them, they would pay someone *something* to do it, even if it was just a token gesture. Thing is: I don't think you're helping. I'd rather focus on the positives... that we have a promise the module will be out soon (including a date) and that I can plan things around it. This is good thing, remember? I don't see you turning down your flamethrower even a tiny notch, or dropping the hight of your soapbox. So, please don't use my posts to push your point (There's that please word again. It means I'm not demanding or angry, just that I'm just asking nicely). I don't mind having discourse with you, but you and I... we disagree about how this should be handled. You feel slighted- I understand. So does everyone else. Now, try to be nice, ok? The moderators have already had to step in here once already... |
| Madfox1103-13-08, 11:59 AM | Calm down you two ;) We, the Circle, promised to deliver you, the players, something and we did not do so (at least not in an even remotely reasonably timely fashion), that is bad form. All I can do is appologize. I was not in the least insulted by Puggle about that, nor do I mind any bugging about such things as long as it is not overdone (though even then, it is rather easy to ignore messages on a message board). Though he should know better than to demand under the table exceptions ;) Pieter Sleijpen RPGA LG Circle member The Splintered Suns |
| Puggle Halfwine03-14-08, 02:15 AM | Again, I didn't mean to insult anyone. Except maybe Firebeetle. And even then, only a little. Yay for everything! |
| firebeetle03-15-08, 12:46 AM | So, please don't use my posts to push your point (There's that please word again. It means I'm not demanding or angry, just that I'm just asking nicely). Gotcha Spirewatch, day 156 Could I PLEASE have the adaptable? |
| firebeetle03-16-08, 09:04 AM | Spirewatch Day 157 Could I PRETTY PLEASE have the adaptable? |
| dragon200803-16-08, 02:43 PM | I have the answer for you firebeetle: Purchase controlling interest in Hasbro. Then, no one can give vague answers, deny access to people, or not return calls/emails. In addition you can allocate resources to the RPGA you feel they need. You could also make them keep Living Greyhawk around too! |
| Puggle Halfwine03-16-08, 07:37 PM | Hey guys, Five days till our group is set to play Sinister Spire. Any sign of the adaptable? |
| dragon200803-16-08, 08:10 PM | Puggle, I hear the followers of Iuz have decreed that all Britt worshippers be punished for heresy! ;) |
| Puggle Halfwine03-16-08, 11:42 PM | Fortunately I converted to Joe-ism in the nick of time! All hail Joe, the Bringer of Doom! |
| firebeetle03-17-08, 12:15 AM | I have the answer for you firebeetle: Purchase controlling interest in Hasbro. Then, no one can give vague answers, deny access to people, or not return calls/emails. In addition you can allocate resources to the RPGA you feel they need. You could also make them keep Living Greyhawk around too! I'm already looking into being a stockholder. A share of Hasbro stock is $26 today. That would give me access to certain documents I would like to have, such as budgets. |
| Puggle Halfwine03-17-08, 10:42 PM | Hey guys, Any word? |
| firebeetle03-18-08, 07:51 AM | Spirewatch, day 159 Could I PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP have the adaptable? |
| heirodule03-18-08, 02:04 PM | me too. |
| firebeetle03-19-08, 01:54 AM | Spirewatch Day 160 Sinister Spire has rolled a 1 for initiative. |
| magebeast03-19-08, 03:57 AM | Spirewatch Day 160 Sinister Spire has rolled a 1 for initiative. I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but I'm gonna laugh so hard if one day you come in and post and then somebody responds immediately "What are you talking about? I ordered this an hour ago" and it's true. |
| Puggle Halfwine03-19-08, 10:13 AM | Basically guys, here's the deal... we were gunna play Friday (as I said), but it's now midnight on Wednesday. If it's not in by midday tomorrow (12 hours from now) we don't have much choice other than to dissolve the table. If the mod becomes available by then, please let us know. |
| Redfist03-19-08, 11:14 AM | Not to sound pessimistic, but I wouldn't hold your breath. |
| heirodule03-19-08, 12:01 PM | Sinsiter Spire is a zombie cleric with a 6 dex. It rolled a -1 for initiative, and was surprised. It can only take Standard Actions. |
| Ferol, Debtor of Torm03-19-08, 02:26 PM | All my characters have leveled out of being able to play this. I bought it anyway because I planned to burn it and run it for friends. Who do I get to blame for this whole fiasco? |
| firebeetle03-19-08, 05:18 PM | I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but I'm gonna laugh so hard if one day you come in and post and then somebody responds immediately "What are you talking about? I ordered this an hour ago" and it's true. I mean this in the least offensive way possible, I check to see if it has been posted every single day. EVERY SINGLE DAY. You'll have to save your mirth for something else. I will be quite mirthful when it comes, that fateful day. Hopefully Jesus will not arrive before then. |
| Puggle Halfwine03-19-08, 08:39 PM | Midday arrived; I have canceled the table. |
| TetsujinOni03-20-08, 10:52 AM | Midday arrived; I have canceled the table. Posting seems to occur during the workday in Washington state, for what it's worth. Activation of delayed content seems to occur at midnight in Washington State (Pacific time zone) as well. |
| chesspiece03-20-08, 10:55 AM | Well, it looks like the RPGA webmaster is busy on our behalf. They just added a ton of year 7 regionals for downloading – hopefully bringing these up to date (or at least up to January, 2008). http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgad/20080319a Strangely, it seems they also restored year 6 regional files. :confused: I’m guessing that’s a snafu / miscommunication and not indication of a reversed decision making them eligible for play. (Triad or Circle confirmation would be appreciated.) Hopefully this means there will be speedy(-ier) processing of the ADPs from RPGA HQ to the website. And hopefully, the Circle was able to hand off the ADP files last week as promised. /fingers crossed |
| kenobi6503-20-08, 02:40 PM | Hopefully this means there will be speedy(-ier) processing of the ADPs from RPGA HQ to the website. And hopefully, the Circle was able to hand off the ADP files last week as promised. /fingers crossed And, lo, did the Sinister Spire suddenly appear: https://events.wizards.com/RPGAWeb/external/econplay.asp?ScenarioCd=ADP811LG APL 6, 2 ARs, for 5th-6th level PCs. |
| firebeetle03-20-08, 02:42 PM | Spire Watch Day 161 I am very pleased to see that The Sinister Spire adaptable has arrived. Thank you very much RPGA! |
| chesspiece03-20-08, 04:38 PM | And there was much rejoicing! :cheer: :bravo: So, when does Fortress of the Yuan-ti come out? :gah: /tongue firmly in cheek |
| Puggle Halfwine03-20-08, 08:09 PM | Thank you guys! It wasn't in time to save our table, but that's ok. We'll find another time (I hope). |