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Red Hand of Doom question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ferol, Debtor of Torm
08-26-07, 01:28 AM Does anyone know how reliable the info from this site is?

http://www.tassek.anang.com/blurbs.html#adp603

Specifically the part that says, "It's recommended that experience and treasure be awarded as it is earnt during the scenario (which is an exception to the standard rules for Living Greyhawk). This is necessary for Red Hand of Doom as the scenario is balanced with the expectation that rewards are given when earned rather than at the end of each Part."

I ask because after completing part 1 of the adaptable I am only 100xp away from leveling and the thought of going through part 2 as a level 4 character terrifies me.

Has anyone else heard anything confirming this?

Thanks,

Feral
Howie23
08-26-07, 02:13 AM Has anyone else heard anything confirming this?

It is essentially, if not exactly, the text from the adaptation document.

David
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
08-26-07, 02:35 AM The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal?

My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded.

As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him.
Mithreinmaethor
08-26-07, 02:54 AM The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal?

My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded.

As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him.

You took quite a big chance playing this module being only 4th. If you die you will really be hurting once raised because you could end up taking 1/2 exps and gold the rest of the way.
Howie23
08-26-07, 03:01 AM The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal?

My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded.

As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him.

Yes, the adaptation document is the stuff written to make the generic mod an LG mod. The text is on page 2, first full paragraph on the right column. Note that it is not a right, but is an option (a highly recommended one that just about everyone is using in some form).

David
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
08-26-07, 11:02 AM Cool, thanks for the help.
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
08-26-07, 11:10 AM You took quite a big chance playing this module being only 4th. If you die you will really be hurting once raised because you could end up taking 1/2 exps and gold the rest of the way.

Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year.

The mod is rough. Everything I've heard from people is 100% correct but I have a very strong sense of self-preservation that got me through the first part in one piece.
retro
08-26-07, 09:13 PM Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year.Ferol, since Red Hand of Doom is a Year 6 mod, it's not available for LG play next year. And hiding at the back is an excellent strategy for 4th level chars in RH- in the table I'm running now, one of the Pcs started the mod as a 4th lvl centaur, and most of the combats go like this: centaur charges, usually doing fairly big damage, dropping one monster. Other bad guys beat the centaur down. Other PCs rush in to save centaur before he bleeds out. Eventually, he'll either die or improve his AC enough to take a few hits. :)
TWG_Prometheus
08-27-07, 12:03 PM We started Red Hand of Doom with a pair of level 4 Wizards. Fortunately, the fact that they were Wizards allowed them to contribute while avoiding the worst of the punishment. They did fine, although they had to drop out before the last chapter for out-of-game reasons.

If you're a level 4-5 frontliner in chapter II, good luck! (It's not impossible, but a little bit of love from your DM's dice certainly wouldn't hurt.)

Seriously consider dropping out in lieu of another player in your area if you die. It'd be a favor to you and your group if you fall any more behind than you are. If there isn't a player in your area that can take over for you, that might not be an option and you'll just have to deal.
MadVlad
08-27-07, 12:24 PM We had a 4th level Bard that had taken a level of fighter for an extra feat. The feats she took were Archery based, and she made a significant impact orating while shooting the hell out of everything.
Vamroc
08-27-07, 10:28 PM Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year.

The mod is rough. Everything I've heard from people is 100% correct but I have a very strong sense of self-preservation that got me through the first part in one piece.

That's enough just barrow 15 TUs from next year and your good to go*. Once you commit that's the only mod that charactor play for the rest of the year**. After RHOD is done you should have 37 TUs for the rest of 08. So you should hurry if you want to play. I started RHOD at 9th lvl with 2 levels of Spellsword under my belt and still nearly died in part 3. Of course my AC is low due the fact I have 7 levels of wizard but that was my choice. When we started we had one player at fifth and every one else was 6 or higher. After part three I became tenth and am looking foreward to 4and 5 so I can unload some serious fire power.
* This is no longer matters. ** When you finish RHOD you are free to play other mods
mowaca
08-28-07, 11:39 PM The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal?

My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded.

As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him.

The adaptation documentation recommends you grant XP after each encounter instead of at the end of each part because the adventure was written with that expectation. You can explain to your DM its not a LG adventure and this balances out the increased challenge.

Ultimately, its your judge's call.
clannagh
08-29-07, 12:00 AM The adaptation documentation recommends you grant XP after each encounter instead of at the end of each part because the adventure was written with that expectation. You can explain to your DM its not a LG adventure and this balances out the increased challenge.

Ultimately, its your judge's call.

This is discussed in Britt's thread.

I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that.
Howie23
08-29-07, 01:18 AM This is discussed in Britt's thread.

I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that.

You get XP, and qualify to play a given part, based upon the level you are when you start the part. If you start 3 levels down, you get half for the full mod, despite levelling. If you start 3 levels up, you don't get booted from the mod if you level.

I think that's the same as what you're saying, yes?

David
Ramacass
08-29-07, 07:59 AM Is RHOD a good mod for a character with strong social skills. I have a character with high sense motive, gather info, diplomacy, and intimidate. He just finished Barrow of the forgotten king and was GREATLY disapointed by the lack of any social skills required for success. It was just one combat after another without any other challenge and with hardly even an NPC to talk to.

If RHOD is similar I'll give it a pass or play a different character
DerekSTheRed
08-29-07, 08:32 AM Is RHOD a good mod for a character with strong social skills. I have a character with high sense motive, gather info, diplomacy, and intimidate. He just finished Barrow of the forgotten king and was GREATLY disapointed by the lack of any social skills required for success. It was just one combat after another without any other challenge and with hardly even an NPC to talk to.

If RHOD is similar I'll give it a pass or play a different character

There are a few places in RHoD where having face skills is good. Overall though it's a lot of combat. In fact I wouldn't recommend anyone play it without a blaster mage.

Derek
Vamroc
08-29-07, 02:34 PM This is discussed in Britt's thread.

I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that.

That's right with the exception for mods that consist of multiple adventures like like RHOD. Then once you finish lets say part 2. You can then play part 3 with your new level and get full XP and full GP. I would advise not playing up on that mod wait until you have at least a level 7 and then play down. I know it says APL 6 on that second part but if my 9th hadn't been there with an Evards Black Tentacles. It pretty much removed all the fodder and that left us with the dragon. We struck fast and hard and it never left the ground.
GeorgeFHarris
08-29-07, 03:32 PM Does anyone know how reliable the info from this site is?

http://www.tassek.anang.com/blurbs.html#adp603

I ask because after completing part 1 of the adaptable I am only 100xp away from leveling and the thought of going through part 2 as a level 4 character terrifies me.

With the new TU rules, you probably want to play a few modules in between, and get higher level.

GH
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
08-30-07, 12:59 AM Thats the new plan. Thank you Circle!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 08-26-07, 01:28 AM	Does anyone know how reliable the info from this site is? http://www.tassek.anang.com/blurbs.html#adp603 Specifically the part that says, "It's recommended that experience and treasure be awarded as it is earnt during the scenario (which is an exception to the standard rules for Living Greyhawk). This is necessary for Red Hand of Doom as the scenario is balanced with the expectation that rewards are given when earned rather than at the end of each Part." I ask because after completing part 1 of the adaptable I am only 100xp away from leveling and the thought of going through part 2 as a level 4 character terrifies me. Has anyone else heard anything confirming this? Thanks, Feral
Howie23 08-26-07, 02:13 AM	Has anyone else heard anything confirming this? It is essentially, if not exactly, the text from the adaptation document. David
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 08-26-07, 02:35 AM	The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal? My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded. As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him.
Mithreinmaethor 08-26-07, 02:54 AM	The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal? My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded. As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him. You took quite a big chance playing this module being only 4th. If you die you will really be hurting once raised because you could end up taking 1/2 exps and gold the rest of the way.
Howie23 08-26-07, 03:01 AM	The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal? My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded. As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him. Yes, the adaptation document is the stuff written to make the generic mod an LG mod. The text is on page 2, first full paragraph on the right column. Note that it is not a right, but is an option (a highly recommended one that just about everyone is using in some form). David
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 08-26-07, 11:02 AM	Cool, thanks for the help.
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 08-26-07, 11:10 AM	You took quite a big chance playing this module being only 4th. If you die you will really be hurting once raised because you could end up taking 1/2 exps and gold the rest of the way. Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year. The mod is rough. Everything I've heard from people is 100% correct but I have a very strong sense of self-preservation that got me through the first part in one piece.
retro 08-26-07, 09:13 PM	Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year.Ferol, since Red Hand of Doom is a Year 6 mod, it's not available for LG play next year. And hiding at the back is an excellent strategy for 4th level chars in RH- in the table I'm running now, one of the Pcs started the mod as a 4th lvl centaur, and most of the combats go like this: centaur charges, usually doing fairly big damage, dropping one monster. Other bad guys beat the centaur down. Other PCs rush in to save centaur before he bleeds out. Eventually, he'll either die or improve his AC enough to take a few hits. :)
TWG_Prometheus 08-27-07, 12:03 PM	We started Red Hand of Doom with a pair of level 4 Wizards. Fortunately, the fact that they were Wizards allowed them to contribute while avoiding the worst of the punishment. They did fine, although they had to drop out before the last chapter for out-of-game reasons. If you're a level 4-5 frontliner in chapter II, good luck! (It's not impossible, but a little bit of love from your DM's dice certainly wouldn't hurt.) Seriously consider dropping out in lieu of another player in your area if you die. It'd be a favor to you and your group if you fall any more behind than you are. If there isn't a player in your area that can take over for you, that might not be an option and you'll just have to deal.
MadVlad 08-27-07, 12:24 PM	We had a 4th level Bard that had taken a level of fighter for an extra feat. The feats she took were Archery based, and she made a significant impact orating while shooting the hell out of everything.
Vamroc 08-27-07, 10:28 PM	Yeah but after hitting level 4 I only had 36 TUs left and I really wanted to play this mod before next year. The mod is rough. Everything I've heard from people is 100% correct but I have a very strong sense of self-preservation that got me through the first part in one piece. That's enough just barrow 15 TUs from next year and your good to go. Once you commit that's the only mod that charactor play for the rest of the year. After RHOD is done you should have 37 TUs for the rest of 08. So you should hurry if you want to play. I started RHOD at 9th lvl with 2 levels of Spellsword under my belt and still nearly died in part 3. Of course my AC is low due the fact I have 7 levels of wizard but that was my choice. When we started we had one player at fifth and every one else was 6 or higher. After part three I became tenth and am looking foreward to 4and 5 so I can unload some serious fire power. This is no longer matters. ** When you finish RHOD you are free to play other mods
mowaca 08-28-07, 11:39 PM	The adaptation document is the stuff written to make the mod LG legal? My judge is claiming that this is not true and that RHoD works like every other mod in terms of when xp is awarded. As I am not judging I can't look at the adaptation document myself. Does anyone who does have access to it know what page number this ruling is on so that I can bring this up next time I talk to him. The adaptation documentation recommends you grant XP after each encounter instead of at the end of each part because the adventure was written with that expectation. You can explain to your DM its not a LG adventure and this balances out the increased challenge. Ultimately, its your judge's call.
clannagh 08-29-07, 12:00 AM	The adaptation documentation recommends you grant XP after each encounter instead of at the end of each part because the adventure was written with that expectation. You can explain to your DM its not a LG adventure and this balances out the increased challenge. Ultimately, its your judge's call. This is discussed in Britt's thread. I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that.
Howie23 08-29-07, 01:18 AM	This is discussed in Britt's thread. I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that. You get XP, and qualify to play a given part, based upon the level you are when you start the part. If you start 3 levels down, you get half for the full mod, despite levelling. If you start 3 levels up, you don't get booted from the mod if you level. I think that's the same as what you're saying, yes? David
Ramacass 08-29-07, 07:59 AM	Is RHOD a good mod for a character with strong social skills. I have a character with high sense motive, gather info, diplomacy, and intimidate. He just finished Barrow of the forgotten king and was GREATLY disapointed by the lack of any social skills required for success. It was just one combat after another without any other challenge and with hardly even an NPC to talk to. If RHOD is similar I'll give it a pass or play a different character
DerekSTheRed 08-29-07, 08:32 AM	Is RHOD a good mod for a character with strong social skills. I have a character with high sense motive, gather info, diplomacy, and intimidate. He just finished Barrow of the forgotten king and was GREATLY disapointed by the lack of any social skills required for success. It was just one combat after another without any other challenge and with hardly even an NPC to talk to. If RHOD is similar I'll give it a pass or play a different character There are a few places in RHoD where having face skills is good. Overall though it's a lot of combat. In fact I wouldn't recommend anyone play it without a blaster mage. Derek
Vamroc 08-29-07, 02:34 PM	This is discussed in Britt's thread. I seem to recall that if you gain a level during a mod you still take the gold/xp hit for the full mod but I am not sure about that. That's right with the exception for mods that consist of multiple adventures like like RHOD. Then once you finish lets say part 2. You can then play part 3 with your new level and get full XP and full GP. I would advise not playing up on that mod wait until you have at least a level 7 and then play down. I know it says APL 6 on that second part but if my 9th hadn't been there with an Evards Black Tentacles. It pretty much removed all the fodder and that left us with the dragon. We struck fast and hard and it never left the ground.
GeorgeFHarris 08-29-07, 03:32 PM	Does anyone know how reliable the info from this site is? http://www.tassek.anang.com/blurbs.html#adp603 I ask because after completing part 1 of the adaptable I am only 100xp away from leveling and the thought of going through part 2 as a level 4 character terrifies me. With the new TU rules, you probably want to play a few modules in between, and get higher level. GH
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 08-30-07, 12:59 AM	Thats the new plan. Thank you Circle!