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rockondon 01-14-07, 12:01 AM	Tonight I was looking for a good website to buy figs. Instead I found this site (http://www.exposingsatanism.org/d_d_talk.htm) which exposes the satanism in Dungeons & Dragons. Apparently, D&D "is essentially a feeding program for occultism and witchcraft" and this guy knows what he's talkin about because he "prayed with enough people our age and younger who were former D&D fans, and they were totally in bondage to it." He admits that at one point he was himself a high priest in satanism and in the 1970's the game writers for D&D had rituals in the game and so they came to him "to make certain the rituals were authentic." But what about those of us who don't realize that these D&D 'games' are really rituals for summoning demons? Well we're still in danger as he illustrates here: "Now, the question becomes if a person 'innocently' works an authentic ritual that conjures up a demon, or curses someone; thinking that they are only playing a game-might not the ritual still have efficacy? I think we know the answer to that question. If you play at shooting your friend in the head with what you think is an unloaded pistol and don't know a shell is in the chamber, is your friend any less dead because you were playing?" What a great point. He also refers to D&D as "Do-It-Yourself Brainwashing" and brainwashing is something he stands firmly against I'm sure :rolleyes: Anyways, I thought we could all discuss the various demons we've accidentally summoned while playing D&D ;)
Jay_Ibero_911 01-14-07, 12:30 AM	Somebody's been spending to much time with the book of vile darkness...we ain't even allowed to be evil in LG....
Morgen 01-14-07, 01:05 AM	I'm always curious how any one of these religious types can complain about someon elses cult. All religions are cults after all. If ours allows us saving throws and a roll on the major wonderous item table I'm all for it. More seriously though, I've never seen any of these "rituals" that we're supposedly completing to do satanically. Even though the idea of H-E-double hockey sticks is entirely stolen from norse mythology and isn't in mythology a bad place. I should write a book called Stolen Beliefs and just write about the hypocracy.
LGMoses 01-14-07, 01:20 AM	well, according to this guy, atleast TSR was trying to keep it all authentic. I hope Wizards is striving to maintain this practice of keeping the spellcasting practices true to the way it actually works. I'd hate to know all of somatic and verbal components of the spells I've been casting were a total sham.
Japangirl 01-14-07, 02:28 AM	Wait, you mean the Imp that wanders around with me wasn't supposed to pop out of that pentagram! Oops . . . maybe I should send him back. Seriously. People are dumb. I laughed at the website, then cried a little because it wasn't meant to be funny. But such is life.
Simpi 01-14-07, 02:48 AM	For ultimate parody of all such sites, go to this one (http://www.ilmatar.net/~np/gameofsatan/): Some people have still thought it was a real thing :D Sampo Haarlaa Naerie Triad
haferka 01-14-07, 02:53 AM	The website gives some insight about the author... .. he/she openly protests agains ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that is in conflict with their beliefes.. - I got no problem with that. .. he/she does not understand that "things" are NOT evil.. not unless you give them power.. which this person is definitly giving power to things that he/she believes to be evil. - again, I got no problem with that, my own wife doesnt feel comfortable with the idea of playing D&D... (if you are raised believing something is satanic.. you will continue feeling that way untill God chooses to enlighten you). Perhaps that person has a weekness that would allow the devil to hinder them with these "satanic" games... - Just keep an open mind when you see things like this, or even talk to these people. Don't slander them, explain that it has no power over you becouse you know all things come from God. The devil will try to influence you any way he can. Aparently this person either easily influenced... at least they seem to be aware of their vulnerability. I am proud to call myself a christian gamer.
The_Jester 01-14-07, 09:39 AM	A fun article that's likely almost 20 years old considering the last "death from D&D" was in '88. And I'm not inclined to take the hosting website seriously as it also suggests the following lead to satan: * Harry Potter * Halloween * Animorphs * Pokemon & Digimon I can understand the first two, but Pokemen?! Seriously??
magebeast 01-14-07, 11:22 AM	Haha Animorphs. Oh man. I'm cracking up over here.
The_Jester 01-14-07, 10:39 PM	It's the common case of people becoming fond of something. Then becoming overly fond to the point of obsession. Then needing something else in their life to help them remove said obsession and then fill the gaping obession filled hole. But when you fill an obsession-hole with religion, which often classifies other obessesions as evil or Satanic, prior hobbies become grouped with the other negatives. Things that don't promote or advance the religion are negative influences to be stamped out. This is neither good nor bad. If someone is obsessing with drugs or alcohol or something else harmful religion and spiritually can save their life. D&D is scary when done too much. Heck, if you do it too often even stamp collecting can be freaky. I'm particularly amused by the annoyance at shows like Digimon and Pokemon having references or philosophies found in Eastern religions (Buddhism, Shintoism, Confucianism) when really the cartoons were created in a culture where that's common and is as natural as a Westen TV show having minor Christan undertones. It's not a Christian conspiracy or subtle advancement of the religion, just a reflection of the culture.
_m_ 01-14-07, 11:05 PM	then cried a little :tissue: *hug's japangirl* there there. its ok. the stupid people can't hurt you now.
clannagh 01-14-07, 11:13 PM	they just got the casual chain backwards !!!! D&D doesn't make people psychotic misfits .. psychotic misfits tend to play D&D note i am not making a claim for the biconditional: Psychotic Misfit <--> D&D player as the counter-example: "some Psychotic Misfits actually Play mage or WoW and not D&D " can be confirmed as true.
Britt 01-14-07, 11:15 PM	I doubt that there is a significant correlation between psychotic misfits and players of D&D. The funniest statistic I heard was that if you take the number of reported suicides related to D&D that a lot of these groups champion as reasons for D&D being bad, the average per gamer is far below the national average. So, D&D helps PREVENT suicide :p
_m_ 01-14-07, 11:18 PM	I doubt that there is a significant correlation between psychotic misfits and players of D&D. The funniest statistic I heard was that if you take the number of reported suicides related to D&D that a lot of these groups champion as reasons for D&D being bad, the average per gamer is far below the national average. So, D&D helps PREVENT suicide :p damnit! there i was, trying to power word: kill myself, and nothing happens! who knew it wasn't real!? stupid lack of actual tangable magical powers gained through gaming...
rockondon 01-15-07, 01:29 AM	another sad twisted liar who hates D&D, rock music, every religion that isn't his own, science, etc and has argued for years about the evils contained in all of these is Jack Chick. His publishing company has a website but I'm havin troubles linkin to it but yeah, if you wanna see someone who screams about demons in everything he's not interested in then go check him out.
Madfox11 01-15-07, 09:24 AM	I doubt that there is a significant correlation between psychotic misfits and players of D&D. The funniest statistic I heard was that if you take the number of reported suicides related to D&D that a lot of these groups champion as reasons for D&D being bad, the average per gamer is far below the national average. So, D&D helps PREVENT suicide :p I read something similar in a newspaper for High School students in the Netherlands 15 year ago. It was an article on how you can twist statistical analysis to your own ends and showed two articles, one anti-roleplaying and the other neutral (if not positive). X amount of suicides sound so much worse than X amount of suicides while the average among a more generic group of the same age category is X+Y ;)
Bogjob 01-15-07, 10:13 AM	I doubt that there is a significant correlation between psychotic misfits and players of D&D. The funniest statistic I heard was that if you take the number of reported suicides related to D&D that a lot of these groups champion as reasons for D&D being bad, the average per gamer is far below the national average. So, D&D helps PREVENT suicide :p Cos we are too damn tired after playing all those 2 rounders and ADP's, and once the caffeine/sugar rush goes all we want to do is sleep :D
DuctShuiTengu 01-15-07, 12:59 PM	He admits that at one point he was himself a high priest in satanism and in the 1970's the game writers for D&D had rituals in the game and so they came to him "to make certain the rituals were authentic." :rofl: "rituals" :heehee "authentic" :rofl: Yes! Fear me! For I know that Planar Binding has a Verbal and Somatic Component! For those of you who haven't checked recently, no, there's no mention of what either of these are. But that doesn't matter, because clearly all I need to make this ritual work is to know that there's some magic words and funky handgestures! :rolleyes: :looloo: I doubt that there is a significant correlation between psychotic misfits and players of D&D. The funniest statistic I heard was that if you take the number of reported suicides related to D&D that a lot of these groups champion as reasons for D&D being bad, the average per gamer is far below the national average. So, D&D helps PREVENT suicide :p Actually Britt, two minor corrections here (I need to stop arguing with the Circle members, but oh well) [minor disclaimer here: my research on this is a couple years out of date, so some things may have changed] The numbers are actually even better than that. If we take every single rumor of a suicide by a D&D player (not even bothering to verify whether a suicide has indeed taken place, or whether the supposed suicide played the game) as fact, the ratio of D&D players who commited suicide is still below the average for similar, non-D&D-playing demographics. No causal relationship had been established between playing D&D and this lower suicide rate (meaning that it could be that people who commit suicide are less likely to play D&D rather than the other way around, or there could be some other factor causing the suicide rate to be so low)
chesspiece 01-15-07, 04:02 PM	damnit! there i was, trying to power word: kill myself, and nothing happens! who knew it wasn't real!? stupid lack of actual tangable magical powers gained through gaming... Nah. You just have 101+ HPs. :D You need to go a few dozen rounds with a housecat before trying the PW:K. "I'm Invincible!" "You're a looney." :ahem: "The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you!" :fight!:
_m_ 01-15-07, 05:02 PM	Nah. You just have 101+ HPs. :D You need to go a few dozen rounds with a housecat before trying the PW:K. "I'm Invincible!" "You're a looney." :ahem: "The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you!" :fight!: ... "your arms off"
paigeoliver 01-15-07, 11:27 PM	As a Christian who is a member of a very conservative church I can honestly say that the "D&D = Satanism" thing is vanishing and has been for a long time. I haven't heard it out of the mouth of a real live person under the age of 60 in at least a decade, and the ones OVER the age of 60 I have heard it from are the ones that spend much of their spare time watching various "Christian" television shows that have terrible reputations. The many years of books and videogames really did a lot of good things for the D&D name. Even most of my nongamer friends have played one or more of the video games.
Japangirl 01-15-07, 11:32 PM	:tissue: *hug's japangirl* there there. its ok. the stupid people can't hurt you now. *hug* *sniffle* I'm OK now.
_m_ 01-15-07, 11:44 PM	*hug* *sniffle* I'm OK now. :dancin:
Radar 01-17-07, 03:14 PM	Without sounding too looney-tunes myself, as a kid growing up in the 70's-80's I have to admit that looking at all the demons and devils in the monster manuals, fiend folio and what-not did kinda steer my thinking a bit more toward things demonic than had i never seen such things... I can understand where parents might be a bit concerned. So if there were the hint of a possibility of how playing such games could lead one into satanism, I suppose you could find a connection, but that doesn't mean that D&D is satanic. As was mentioned in an earlier post, it is easy to get carried away and become obsessed with just about anything... D&D included (guilty as charged!) and I guess if there is any danger in this game, that is the main one... it is just so much fun that it is easy to spend alot of time playing homequests, spending weekends all over the place at cons. I guess balance is the key here, but isn't that true with anything we do? This isn't unique to D&D alone. Scott
Kilbia 01-22-07, 06:13 PM	Without sounding too looney-tunes myself, as a kid growing up in the 70's-80's I have to admit that looking at all the demons and devils in the monster manuals, fiend folio and what-not did kinda steer my thinking a bit more toward things demonic than had i never seen such things... I had a co-worker in high school who was convinced that dragons were the embodiment of evil, and therefore D&D was evil. Never once bothered to consider the fact that most people who played D&D were setting out to SLAY all these evil dragons! That's what always bugged me. As for the balance thing: I enjoy an overindulgence just as much as the next person, but I think the RPGA helps me with that as far as gaming goes, because everything is so modular. Everything wraps up in an average of four hours; the DM doesn't end the evening on a cliffhanger (unless something went VERY wrong in the mod and it's just taking forever), so there's no obsessing over what's going to happen next. By contrast, I'm playing in a homebrew HERO campaign, and I *do* spend a lot of my spare time thinking of what might come next and how I would react to it.
thorinXXX 01-24-07, 01:44 PM	they just got the casual chain backwards !!!! D&D doesn't make people psychotic misfits .. psychotic misfits tend to play D&D . Hey! I resemble that remark.
Reska 01-24-07, 02:47 PM	... I haven't heard it out of the mouth of a real live person under the age of 60 in at least a decade, and the ones OVER the age of 60 I have heard it from are the ones that spend much of their spare time watching various "Christian" television shows that have terrible reputations. Sadly, I do hear about it on a daily basis. And from people under the age of 60 (ironically enough, those over the age of 60 seem to be a bit more lenient about it..at least around here). It's come to the point where when I mention that I need to take vacation for a convention, I leave it at that and don't explain what the con is. I've got several very "devout" people who work with me, and at least one that conisistently tries to convert others (with aforementioned Chick Tracts), or claims that she'll pray for my soul if I even mention gaming in general. And it doesn't help that a local radio station refers to all of us as dorks and geeks and sends out people to disrupt cons and the like. (Last one was a M:TG tournament in DC...they sent out 2 Strippers with an Intern to get the players to "trade" cards for what the strippers had...right up till security threw them out.)
Britt 01-24-07, 02:49 PM	And it doesn't help that a local radio station refers to all of us as dorks and geeks and sends out people to disrupt cons and the like. (Last one was a M:TG tournament in DC...they sent out 2 Strippers with an Intern to get the players to "trade" cards for what the strippers had...right up till security threw them out.) Well, to be fair, most gamers are dorks and geeks. And I think sending a stripper to a M:TG tournament is hilarious, though it is admittedly disruptive to the event.
clannagh 01-24-07, 05:16 PM	Sadly, I do hear about it on a daily basis. And from people under the age of 60 (ironically enough, those over the age of 60 seem to be a bit more lenient about it..at least around here). It's come to the point where when I mention that I need to take vacation for a convention, I leave it at that and don't explain what the con is. I've got several very "devout" people who work with me, and at least one that conisistently tries to convert others (with aforementioned Chick Tracts), or claims that she'll pray for my soul if I even mention gaming in general. Just tell them that you don't need converting you have already seen the light and are a dedicated Pholtan.
Japangirl 01-24-07, 05:57 PM	Just tell them that you don't need converting you have already seen the light and are a dedicated Pholtan. *giggle*