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PenderGrass 12-08-04, 05:21 PM	Since, I have but 5 games in the Living Greyhawk under my belt and none of my 27+ years of D&D experience matters for naught, I am curious to the workings of a Rogue in a RPGA environment such as Living Greyhawk. 1. I noticed that 'evil deeds' are marked on a PCs AR by the DM in which it happened. So, is picking a PCs pockets considered an evil act in RPGA? 2. Since, a Rogue cannot keep another PCs equipment from game to game (this would be considered a trade of equipment), what happens to it when the module ends? Like, if he stole my Cleric's Wand of CLW and dumped it into the city sewers, would my Cleric ever get it back? 3. Is there a Rogues' Guild that would allow for thiefly things to happen in-game, or out of game? 4. Does anyone have any tips for Nyrond and Rogue Guilds? ****
CruelDM 12-09-04, 09:04 AM	Though I have never encountered this I assume it could happen with regularity. I personally would warn the thief that it isnt in the spirit of LG to steal from other PCs or cohorts. If the thief continued, especially if it caused inter-party problems at the table, I am not sure what I would do. I would probably have him arrested and charge him TUs according to the LGCS rules for getting caught based on the value of what was taken (This would remove that player from play for this adventure, problem soved). I would assume that you would get the wand back at the end of the adventure, or at the time of the rogues arrest, minus any charges used. Slight of hand can provide an out of game benefit to the rogue, allowing him to spend TUs for the chance of earning gold, and the chance of getting caught and spending even more TUs in jail. These are the rules I would base his TU cost on for getting caught as mentioned above.
Simpi 12-09-04, 11:55 AM	He may steal you blind, but it will have no effect. Current LG rules do not cover the possibility of players stealing from players (at first year I think you could, but only money) so even if the thief balks "I stole your wand! I stole your wand!" you can always counter it with. "No. Still seems to be on my MIL" If DM is trying to force that it is stolen, point him the rule which says PCs cannot steal from each other and tell him to shut up. S.H, Naerie webslave
CruelDM 12-09-04, 01:28 PM	Can you point me to this rule? I believe its there if you say it is (and that sounds right) but I dont know where it is.
Simpi 12-09-04, 03:29 PM	Can you point me to this rule? I believe its there if you say it is (and that sounds right) but I dont know where it is. See RPGA general rules: Players shall behave in a respectful and sporting manner at all times. Stealing from another player is definetly NOT following this and DM can boot that player from the table and indeed he should. Also see page 12 of LGCS: Items appearing on MIL may not be traded between characters. Only way they can be used by others if you voluntarily borrow it to a rogue. Therefore he may not steal items since it would go against bookkeeping rules of LGCS. Heck, he cannot even remove it from your unconscious body unless you give permission. On the same page there are guideline for playing as well. The point is: You don't need an explicit written rule about stealing for it because it's already covered by RPGA/LGCS general rules and if the Rogue does not believe it, ban him from your table. S.H, Naerie webslave
AqualubeOwnz 12-12-04, 01:46 AM	if you steal the item and still have it at the end it is returned tyo the player the respose to stealing is up to the dm, ive played a few advetures where our chars had disagreements about what clan to return the plot item to and there was stealing and all sorts going on. if the rogue did steal it from u and dumped it in the sewers for example it would be treated just as a monster had destoryed it or u left it behind somewhere, it would be lost for good.
hustonjj 12-12-04, 10:42 AM	if the rogue did steal it from u and dumped it in the sewers for example it would be treated just as a monster had destoryed it or u left it behind somewhere, it would be lost for good. Actually, no, it would not. The rules of the campaign do not allow the thief to take it, period. If he can't take it, he can't "throw it away". No PC can directly impact the list of possessions of another PC. Heck, even a sunder attack can't be used to do this, because it requires attacking another PC directly. Jeff Huston Spobody Necial
Chark the Shark 12-12-04, 03:09 PM	I think that I already know the answer to this question but will ask just to be sure. No PC can directly impact the list of possessions of another PC. Heck, even a sunder attack can't be used to do this, because it requires attacking another PC directly. Would a character who has been possessed (or otherwise had their mental faculties taken over) be able to accomplish the sunder attack vs another PC? and would the outcome be judged as permanent? AND holy crap - Spobody Necial That is a weird one...I read it about 5 times as Noboby Special! freaky, I love it.
hustonjj 12-12-04, 10:39 PM	Would a character who has been possessed (or otherwise had their mental faculties taken over) be able to accomplish the sunder attack vs another PC? and would the outcome be judged as permanent? In such a case, the CONTROLLED character is actually an NPC, under the control of the DM. Some DMs allow the player to "swap roles" and actually roll the dice and declare the actions the character takes while meeting the instructions of the controlling agent, other don't. Regardless, the actions taken while in NPC status are NOT actions taken byu a PC against another PC, so they DO have a permanent effect on the target's possessions/abilties/whatever. AND holy crap - Spobody Necial That is a weird one...I read it about 5 times as Noboby Special! freaky, I love it. It is referred to as a Spoonerism. Do a search for the term. That one really is nothing special. Huston
Chark the Shark 12-13-04, 03:29 AM	It is referred to as a Spoonerism. Do a search for the term. That one really is nothing special. I swear you meant to say "That one really is Spothing Necial" Thanks for all your help. My DMs LOVE to possess me and allow me to control the possessed character. There is no feeling in the world quite like turning to one of your closest friends with whom you have been gaming with for years and stating "You are dead". "Dont I get a save?" "No, and you turn to dust". This scenario is from where one of my sigs came. "I hope he can only do that once per day"...meanwhile I am grinning ear to ear.
Sargh 12-13-04, 10:56 AM	Check your regional orgs. Many regions have thief guilds or something similiar, which cover what you can/can't do, when and where you can do it, and how often.