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The toughest region [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LGMoses
02-05-07, 03:00 PM What region is most likely to kill you? What region is the most likely to kill you and you NOT come back from it?

Which region has the mods most likely to possess a TPK?
LGMoses
02-05-07, 10:32 PM i think i've done this post before. I also think noone replied then...:raincloud
_m_
02-05-07, 11:29 PM you have indeed done this post before.

and the answer was perenland (and iuz).
Haro
02-05-07, 11:35 PM i think i've done this post before. I also think noone replied then...:raincloud

Ok, sympathy post for you! ;)

I've found that Perrenland and Ratik regionals are generally not as lethal as many metaregionals and cores (certainly not Iuz metaregionals). There are one or two glaring exception like the Assassin Vine as discussed in another thread but as a rule I've found regionals on the softer end of the scale with regard to combat difficulty.

Joe
clannagh
02-05-07, 11:36 PM you have indeed done this post before.

and the answer was perenland (and iuz).

hehe

IUZ .. the place you are most likely to get both a free raise dead and the opportunity to use it in the same mod
Arinaad
02-06-07, 12:15 AM I play in 4 regions: Ket, Keoland, Bissel, and Tusmit. I have these ranked in order of the hardest to easiest in my opinion.
bitznarf
02-06-07, 12:05 PM I play in 4 regions: Ket, Keoland, Bissel, and Tusmit. I have these ranked in order of the hardest to easiest in my opinion.

I recently played a VTF meta-regional set in Ket. Man those laws suck. At least I was playing a rouge who could sap people for full damage, rather then, say, a cavalry charger who charges for subdual damage.
:rolleyes: 3d8+lots, but you'll feel better tomorrow
Mortepierre
02-06-07, 01:15 PM Ekbir, 'nuff said
Gelth
02-06-07, 02:11 PM You are going to see variation over the life of the campaign, as Triad members come and go.
For example, here in Ket, we used to be able to point at the uber-deadly VTF modules, and explain that many were written by our regional authors.
More recently, we've had a couple turnovers in the Triad member responsible for modules, so you'll likely see a difference in how those modules play (I'm not commenting whether easier or harder). I expect most regions are similar.

Just as a comment, I've played one Perrenland module, and none of us felt threatened at all. I expect that that's not standard, if others find the region really harsh.

--Penn, Ket Triad
Alpha_Nerd
02-06-07, 02:31 PM In my opinion, the deadlist metaregion is IUZ, and the deadlist region is the BK. I think that this is the case not just because the encounters are more difficult, but because the characters are on average less powerful. It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate. I'm not saying that other regions are wrong in the way they run themselves, they're just different.
Eric Anondson
02-06-07, 04:46 PM It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate.That just warms my Greyhawk-phile heart to hear that's the way it's being done there. It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle once a region goes high magic.
Eric Anondson
02-06-07, 05:05 PM What region is most likely to kill you?I wrote a Year 5 Shield Lands adventure that resulted in a guaranteed TPK at the end. Everyone who ever played it through "died". The adventure was in fact called "Better Off Dead". PCs were told by a major NPC that it was in fact a suicide mission and would likely die. They all did.
jstorrie
02-06-07, 05:30 PM Is it particularly good that your metaregionals are uber-deadly, Penn? The last VTF metaregional that I played wasn't challenging in a fun way. It had a couple of encounters that were clearly under-CR'd, and a very stupid 'oh, you can use some of your influences on this guy' moment. There's a difference between interesting, difficult challenges, and events which are written to put the players at an unfair advantage.
bitznarf
02-06-07, 05:58 PM Is it particularly good that your metaregionals are uber-deadly, Penn? The last VTF metaregional that I played wasn't challenging in a fun way. It had a couple of encounters that were clearly under-CR'd, and a very stupid 'oh, you can use some of your influences on this guy' moment. There's a difference between interesting, difficult challenges, and events which are written to put the players at an unfair advantage.

But on the plus side it was funny laughing at the guy trying to get away. Up the stairs, grapple, whomph fall on the stairs, escape, grapple, stun, escape, grapple, beat with saps. Plus when else can you brain (with a sap of course, this is Ket) a defenseless non combatant and have it be both totally in character, legal, and a good tactical move?

-Dale
clannagh
02-06-07, 06:09 PM Just as a comment, I've played one Perrenland module, and none of us felt threatened at all. I expect that that's not standard, if others find the region really harsh.

--Penn, Ket Triad

most people do not have a problem with perrenland regionals

its the IUZ metaregionals that have the reputation of being hardcore
Cardinal Teplin
02-06-07, 06:13 PM In my opinion, the deadlist metaregion is IUZ, and the deadlist region is the BK. I think that this is the case not just because the encounters are more difficult, but because the characters are on average less powerful. It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate. I'm not saying that other regions are wrong in the way they run themselves, they're just different.

Some other regions are similar. Certrainly Onnwal is run like that. Of course, regions change oiver time, and Onnwal is less harsh than it was (for the better I believe).
Sieylianna
02-06-07, 06:41 PM its the IUZ metaregionals that have the reputation of being hardcore

I've played a few Iuz modules and virtually all of the released VTF modules.

IMO, there is no comparison, the VTF modules are much tougher, even if you play down.

Ed
Alma
02-07-07, 01:07 AM VTF not because you will die but because warmages have a hell of a time with non leathal
solbergb
02-07-07, 02:03 AM I didn't find BK any more difficult than Ket or Pale - just different. All in good ways. I actually enjoy arbitrary regional restrictions on normal ways of doing stuff because of culture.

I've had lethal encounters in all regions I've visited, but they mostly stick out because you remember them. The ratio isnt' that different. Sometimes when visiting a "normal" region like Nyrond or Duchy of Urnst, I let my guard down and something that should be easy isn't. I tend to be more alert in the BK or when running an elf in Ket.
solbergb
02-07-07, 02:04 AM VTF not because you will die but because warmages have a hell of a time with non leathal

Speak for yourself. My warmage will have nonlethal subsitution by level 3. Of course he can only use it on Acid Splash but ....options are good and he's actually a very nice guy for a warmage...
Alma
02-07-07, 02:51 AM Well I would have had it but I was part of the dutchy-Zeif swap at lv 9 ill have it some consolasion for the 52 tu I lost
Eric Anondson
02-07-07, 12:16 PM Oh my gosh! Who is sending the Dutch to Zeif?! And can it be stopped before rogues become rouge!:rimshot:
Alma
02-07-07, 03:42 PM It happened last year when western canada got zeif and split from the western states.
Eric Anondson
02-07-07, 03:49 PM :twitch: :banghead:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LGMoses 02-05-07, 03:00 PM	What region is most likely to kill you? What region is the most likely to kill you and you NOT come back from it? Which region has the mods most likely to possess a TPK?
LGMoses 02-05-07, 10:32 PM	i think i've done this post before. I also think noone replied then...:raincloud
_m_ 02-05-07, 11:29 PM	you have indeed done this post before. and the answer was perenland (and iuz).
Haro 02-05-07, 11:35 PM	i think i've done this post before. I also think noone replied then...:raincloud Ok, sympathy post for you! ;) I've found that Perrenland and Ratik regionals are generally not as lethal as many metaregionals and cores (certainly not Iuz metaregionals). There are one or two glaring exception like the Assassin Vine as discussed in another thread but as a rule I've found regionals on the softer end of the scale with regard to combat difficulty. Joe
clannagh 02-05-07, 11:36 PM	you have indeed done this post before. and the answer was perenland (and iuz). hehe IUZ .. the place you are most likely to get both a free raise dead and the opportunity to use it in the same mod
Arinaad 02-06-07, 12:15 AM	I play in 4 regions: Ket, Keoland, Bissel, and Tusmit. I have these ranked in order of the hardest to easiest in my opinion.
bitznarf 02-06-07, 12:05 PM	I play in 4 regions: Ket, Keoland, Bissel, and Tusmit. I have these ranked in order of the hardest to easiest in my opinion. I recently played a VTF meta-regional set in Ket. Man those laws suck. At least I was playing a rouge who could sap people for full damage, rather then, say, a cavalry charger who charges for subdual damage. :rolleyes: 3d8+lots, but you'll feel better tomorrow
Mortepierre 02-06-07, 01:15 PM	Ekbir, 'nuff said
Gelth 02-06-07, 02:11 PM	You are going to see variation over the life of the campaign, as Triad members come and go. For example, here in Ket, we used to be able to point at the uber-deadly VTF modules, and explain that many were written by our regional authors. More recently, we've had a couple turnovers in the Triad member responsible for modules, so you'll likely see a difference in how those modules play (I'm not commenting whether easier or harder). I expect most regions are similar. Just as a comment, I've played one Perrenland module, and none of us felt threatened at all. I expect that that's not standard, if others find the region really harsh. --Penn, Ket Triad
Alpha_Nerd 02-06-07, 02:31 PM	In my opinion, the deadlist metaregion is IUZ, and the deadlist region is the BK. I think that this is the case not just because the encounters are more difficult, but because the characters are on average less powerful. It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate. I'm not saying that other regions are wrong in the way they run themselves, they're just different.
Eric Anondson 02-06-07, 04:46 PM	It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate.That just warms my Greyhawk-phile heart to hear that's the way it's being done there. It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle once a region goes high magic.
Eric Anondson 02-06-07, 05:05 PM	What region is most likely to kill you?I wrote a Year 5 Shield Lands adventure that resulted in a guaranteed TPK at the end. Everyone who ever played it through "died". The adventure was in fact called "Better Off Dead". PCs were told by a major NPC that it was in fact a suicide mission and would likely die. They all did.
jstorrie 02-06-07, 05:30 PM	Is it particularly good that your metaregionals are uber-deadly, Penn? The last VTF metaregional that I played wasn't challenging in a fun way. It had a couple of encounters that were clearly under-CR'd, and a very stupid 'oh, you can use some of your influences on this guy' moment. There's a difference between interesting, difficult challenges, and events which are written to put the players at an unfair advantage.
bitznarf 02-06-07, 05:58 PM	Is it particularly good that your metaregionals are uber-deadly, Penn? The last VTF metaregional that I played wasn't challenging in a fun way. It had a couple of encounters that were clearly under-CR'd, and a very stupid 'oh, you can use some of your influences on this guy' moment. There's a difference between interesting, difficult challenges, and events which are written to put the players at an unfair advantage. But on the plus side it was funny laughing at the guy trying to get away. Up the stairs, grapple, whomph fall on the stairs, escape, grapple, stun, escape, grapple, beat with saps. Plus when else can you brain (with a sap of course, this is Ket) a defenseless non combatant and have it be both totally in character, legal, and a good tactical move? -Dale
clannagh 02-06-07, 06:09 PM	Just as a comment, I've played one Perrenland module, and none of us felt threatened at all. I expect that that's not standard, if others find the region really harsh. --Penn, Ket Triad most people do not have a problem with perrenland regionals its the IUZ metaregionals that have the reputation of being hardcore
Cardinal Teplin 02-06-07, 06:13 PM	In my opinion, the deadlist metaregion is IUZ, and the deadlist region is the BK. I think that this is the case not just because the encounters are more difficult, but because the characters are on average less powerful. It seems our triad has been very adamant about not turning the BK into old Living City by keeping it to the LG dogma of being a low-magic low-power world, which I heartily appreciate. I'm not saying that other regions are wrong in the way they run themselves, they're just different. Some other regions are similar. Certrainly Onnwal is run like that. Of course, regions change oiver time, and Onnwal is less harsh than it was (for the better I believe).
Sieylianna 02-06-07, 06:41 PM	its the IUZ metaregionals that have the reputation of being hardcore I've played a few Iuz modules and virtually all of the released VTF modules. IMO, there is no comparison, the VTF modules are much tougher, even if you play down. Ed
Alma 02-07-07, 01:07 AM	VTF not because you will die but because warmages have a hell of a time with non leathal
solbergb 02-07-07, 02:03 AM	I didn't find BK any more difficult than Ket or Pale - just different. All in good ways. I actually enjoy arbitrary regional restrictions on normal ways of doing stuff because of culture. I've had lethal encounters in all regions I've visited, but they mostly stick out because you remember them. The ratio isnt' that different. Sometimes when visiting a "normal" region like Nyrond or Duchy of Urnst, I let my guard down and something that should be easy isn't. I tend to be more alert in the BK or when running an elf in Ket.
solbergb 02-07-07, 02:04 AM	VTF not because you will die but because warmages have a hell of a time with non leathal Speak for yourself. My warmage will have nonlethal subsitution by level 3. Of course he can only use it on Acid Splash but ....options are good and he's actually a very nice guy for a warmage...
Alma 02-07-07, 02:51 AM	Well I would have had it but I was part of the dutchy-Zeif swap at lv 9 ill have it some consolasion for the 52 tu I lost
Eric Anondson 02-07-07, 12:16 PM	Oh my gosh! Who is sending the Dutch to Zeif?! And can it be stopped before rogues become rouge!:rimshot:
Alma 02-07-07, 03:42 PM	It happened last year when western canada got zeif and split from the western states.
Eric Anondson 02-07-07, 03:49 PM	:twitch: :banghead: