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Too young to DM? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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gizmonster
11-18-05, 07:26 PM Hello all,

I have been DMing LG for several years. For some buddies of mine, for my son, his friends and my buddies kids. My son wants to DM. (I was so proud). He is 16 and has passsed the Herald Level test. He can't order scenarios, he is too young. I fully give him my consent, I am looking forward to playing under him. I can't order the Mods for him that would invalidate me playing. Is there anything that can me done?
pedr
11-18-05, 08:11 PM You could consider creating gameday events rather than home-play.

It's not a perfect solution as the event then goes on the RPGA events calendar which theoretically entitles anyone to contact you to ask to be part of your game, but I believe that the Senior GM for a gameday is not disqualified from playing the modules ordered for that gameday until the gameday is actually reported. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
King Kashue
11-18-05, 11:43 PM You could consider creating gameday events rather than home-play.

It's not a perfect solution as the event then goes on the RPGA events calendar which theoretically entitles anyone to contact you to ask to be part of your game, but I believe that the Senior GM for a gameday is not disqualified from playing the modules ordered for that gameday until the gameday is actually reported. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct...That it usually what I do if I have a group for a module and no judge yet...I order the module as a gameday, and then trackdown a judge...
gizmonster
11-20-05, 03:54 PM Thanks,

That really helps.
slorak
11-22-05, 06:28 PM I have ordered mods for others to run in home games without any problems.
King Kashue
11-23-05, 06:24 PM I have ordered mods for others to run in home games without any problems.

It's not ordering them for other folks that's the problem, but you playing in a home game you've ordered that is...The system won't let you do that for a home game, but it will for a gameday...
slorak
11-23-05, 06:28 PM I am almost positive that I have done this... All the games that I have ordered were for home games. hmmm. dunno.

cheers,

-Mike
King Kashue
11-23-05, 06:47 PM I am almost positive that I have done this... All the games that I have ordered were for home games. hmmm. dunno.

cheers,

-Mike

Could actually be...I wouldn't put it past the system to be messed up :D At least in theory though, you can't report yourself as a player in a home game you ordered...

Maybe they changed it and didn't mention it to anyone...goofy restriciton anyhoo...
jhorred
11-26-05, 03:27 AM I've done this a couple times as well. Ordered for a home game and had someone else run it. I've reported them with no problems. Though I didn't know you could do that until some of the other GMS who are much more experenced in the RPGA circles told me that would be fine. I just send the zipped folders to the GMs without opening them.
gizmonster
11-29-05, 05:50 PM yes, but are you in the game? will the system let you put in another GMs RPGA number as the GM and then your RPGA number as a player when you report it?
slorak
11-29-05, 06:27 PM I am almost positive that I have done this. I have only ordered a few games though so I am not 100% sure.

cheers,

-Mike
Bardach
11-30-05, 11:31 AM I think you will find that the table reporting will accept your number but you will not be credited with it in your play record. This has happened to me when I ordered but had to cancel and rearrange an event. The table reporting was happy to accept me as part of a valid table but then rejected it from my play record and so I did not get the reward points.
If you are worried about player points coach a non-playing wife to pass the Herald test and the she can order the events!!
CdrcJsn
11-30-05, 04:38 PM Something that might be confusing people:

An event ordered as a Game Day can be played at home. The only difference from one ordered as a Home Game is that the person ordering the mod can play and that the event will be posted on the RPGA calendar along with the contact info.

There is no requirement though that you have to sit people who contact you if you don't want to, even though you order an event as a Game Day.

Cedric
Sieylianna
11-30-05, 05:12 PM Something that might be confusing people:

An event ordered as a Game Day can be played at home. The only difference from one ordered as a Home Game is that the person ordering the mod can play and that the event will be posted on the RPGA calendar along with the contact info.

There is no requirement though that you have to sit people who contact you if you don't want to, even though you order an event as a Game Day.

I wouldn't make a habit of it because you can lose your ordering privileges if you consistently "don't have room" for players who see your Game Day announcement on the RPGA calendar.

Ed
CdrcJsn
11-30-05, 06:30 PM I wouldn't make a habit of it because you can lose your ordering privileges if you consistently "don't have room" for players who see your Game Day announcement on the RPGA calendar.

Ed

There is no requirement to make room for people to play as far as I can tell.

If a group of 5 people want to play with a cohort, it won't make them popular, but there's nothing preventing them from excluding others.

I could find no restrictions on Game Days vs Home Games on the RPGA website. If there is such a provision, please post it here so people can know. Thanks.

I've organized several public and private events before and I've never found any guidelines as to who can attend the events. As far as I can tell, it's all up to the organizer.

Cedric
kenobi65
11-30-05, 09:03 PM If a group of 5 people want to play with a cohort, it won't make them popular, but there's nothing preventing them from excluding others.

Re-read the LG rules on cohorts:

"You may include your cohort in the play of standard Living Greyhawk sessions if and only if there are four or five players participating in that adventure. At most, six adventurers, be they characters or cohorts, can participate in a Living Greyhawk adventure. A cohort may only participate in an adventure if there is an open slot at the session and no RPGA member (emphasis mine) wishes to participate to fill that place."

The rule certainly does prevent them. If you're running a Game Day (which is an "open to the public" event), for five players and a cohort, and turn someone away who wants to play, you're in violation of the rules.
kenobi65
11-30-05, 09:09 PM I could find no restrictions on Game Days vs Home Games on the RPGA website. If there is such a provision, please post it here so people can know. Thanks.

I've organized several public and private events before and I've never found any guidelines as to who can attend the events. As far as I can tell, it's all up to the organizer.

From the RPGA's "Newcomers Info" web page (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/hq/newcomers):

Home play: Private events where GMs download adventures and run them for a group of players they select. These events don't appear on the events calendar. Home play is great for playing RPGA adventures and earning D&D Rewards with your regular gaming group.

Game days: Public events, usually one-day, devoted to playing games. Anyone is welcome to attend and RPGA members in good standing are welcome to participate.

This makes it pretty clear that a Game Day is supposed to be open to anyone interested.
King Kashue
11-30-05, 10:00 PM However, just like any privately owned establishement (whether a gaming store or personal apartment), anyone can be refused access to the premises...

Just because its a game day and is open to the public doesn't mean I have to let someone into my house I don't want to, no more than the game store owner must let someone onto his premises if s/he doesn't want to...
kenobi65
11-30-05, 10:20 PM Very true, KK. However, I think the point is that there's the distinction between Game Days (open / public) and Home Play (closed / private) for a reason.
King Kashue
11-30-05, 11:27 PM Very true, KK. However, I think the point is that there's the distinction between Game Days (open / public) and Home Play (closed / private) for a reason.

Of course...If anyone actually contacted me about one of the game days at my place, I wouldn't automatically turn them away (it's only happened once ever and we were already at 6 people), just saying it's not as if you're forced to let people play...

In the same way, if 5 people refuse to play with a particular person at a con (for whatever reason), they are not required to (one persons problem, they walk away, but if the whole table refuses, you get the idea)...
jhorred
12-03-05, 01:03 AM I am almost positive that I have done this. I have only ordered a few games though so I am not 100% sure.

cheers,

-Mike

I just reported two home games that I ordered and had another GM run. They both showed up on my player profile.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
gizmonster 11-18-05, 07:26 PM	Hello all, I have been DMing LG for several years. For some buddies of mine, for my son, his friends and my buddies kids. My son wants to DM. (I was so proud). He is 16 and has passsed the Herald Level test. He can't order scenarios, he is too young. I fully give him my consent, I am looking forward to playing under him. I can't order the Mods for him that would invalidate me playing. Is there anything that can me done?
pedr 11-18-05, 08:11 PM	You could consider creating gameday events rather than home-play. It's not a perfect solution as the event then goes on the RPGA events calendar which theoretically entitles anyone to contact you to ask to be part of your game, but I believe that the Senior GM for a gameday is not disqualified from playing the modules ordered for that gameday until the gameday is actually reported. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
King Kashue 11-18-05, 11:43 PM	You could consider creating gameday events rather than home-play. It's not a perfect solution as the event then goes on the RPGA events calendar which theoretically entitles anyone to contact you to ask to be part of your game, but I believe that the Senior GM for a gameday is not disqualified from playing the modules ordered for that gameday until the gameday is actually reported. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. You are correct...That it usually what I do if I have a group for a module and no judge yet...I order the module as a gameday, and then trackdown a judge...
gizmonster 11-20-05, 03:54 PM	Thanks, That really helps.
slorak 11-22-05, 06:28 PM	I have ordered mods for others to run in home games without any problems.
King Kashue 11-23-05, 06:24 PM	I have ordered mods for others to run in home games without any problems. It's not ordering them for other folks that's the problem, but you playing in a home game you've ordered that is...The system won't let you do that for a home game, but it will for a gameday...
slorak 11-23-05, 06:28 PM	I am almost positive that I have done this... All the games that I have ordered were for home games. hmmm. dunno. cheers, -Mike
King Kashue 11-23-05, 06:47 PM	I am almost positive that I have done this... All the games that I have ordered were for home games. hmmm. dunno. cheers, -Mike Could actually be...I wouldn't put it past the system to be messed up :D At least in theory though, you can't report yourself as a player in a home game you ordered... Maybe they changed it and didn't mention it to anyone...goofy restriciton anyhoo...
jhorred 11-26-05, 03:27 AM	I've done this a couple times as well. Ordered for a home game and had someone else run it. I've reported them with no problems. Though I didn't know you could do that until some of the other GMS who are much more experenced in the RPGA circles told me that would be fine. I just send the zipped folders to the GMs without opening them.
gizmonster 11-29-05, 05:50 PM	yes, but are you in the game? will the system let you put in another GMs RPGA number as the GM and then your RPGA number as a player when you report it?
slorak 11-29-05, 06:27 PM	I am almost positive that I have done this. I have only ordered a few games though so I am not 100% sure. cheers, -Mike
Bardach 11-30-05, 11:31 AM	I think you will find that the table reporting will accept your number but you will not be credited with it in your play record. This has happened to me when I ordered but had to cancel and rearrange an event. The table reporting was happy to accept me as part of a valid table but then rejected it from my play record and so I did not get the reward points. If you are worried about player points coach a non-playing wife to pass the Herald test and the she can order the events!!
CdrcJsn 11-30-05, 04:38 PM	Something that might be confusing people: An event ordered as a Game Day can be played at home. The only difference from one ordered as a Home Game is that the person ordering the mod can play and that the event will be posted on the RPGA calendar along with the contact info. There is no requirement though that you have to sit people who contact you if you don't want to, even though you order an event as a Game Day. Cedric
Sieylianna 11-30-05, 05:12 PM	Something that might be confusing people: An event ordered as a Game Day can be played at home. The only difference from one ordered as a Home Game is that the person ordering the mod can play and that the event will be posted on the RPGA calendar along with the contact info. There is no requirement though that you have to sit people who contact you if you don't want to, even though you order an event as a Game Day. I wouldn't make a habit of it because you can lose your ordering privileges if you consistently "don't have room" for players who see your Game Day announcement on the RPGA calendar. Ed
CdrcJsn 11-30-05, 06:30 PM	I wouldn't make a habit of it because you can lose your ordering privileges if you consistently "don't have room" for players who see your Game Day announcement on the RPGA calendar. Ed There is no requirement to make room for people to play as far as I can tell. If a group of 5 people want to play with a cohort, it won't make them popular, but there's nothing preventing them from excluding others. I could find no restrictions on Game Days vs Home Games on the RPGA website. If there is such a provision, please post it here so people can know. Thanks. I've organized several public and private events before and I've never found any guidelines as to who can attend the events. As far as I can tell, it's all up to the organizer. Cedric
kenobi65 11-30-05, 09:03 PM	If a group of 5 people want to play with a cohort, it won't make them popular, but there's nothing preventing them from excluding others. Re-read the LG rules on cohorts: "You may include your cohort in the play of standard Living Greyhawk sessions if and only if there are four or five players participating in that adventure. At most, six adventurers, be they characters or cohorts, can participate in a Living Greyhawk adventure. A cohort may only participate in an adventure if there is an open slot at the session and no RPGA member (emphasis mine) wishes to participate to fill that place." The rule certainly does prevent them. If you're running a Game Day (which is an "open to the public" event), for five players and a cohort, and turn someone away who wants to play, you're in violation of the rules.
kenobi65 11-30-05, 09:09 PM	I could find no restrictions on Game Days vs Home Games on the RPGA website. If there is such a provision, please post it here so people can know. Thanks. I've organized several public and private events before and I've never found any guidelines as to who can attend the events. As far as I can tell, it's all up to the organizer. From the RPGA's "Newcomers Info" web page (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/hq/newcomers): Home play: Private events where GMs download adventures and run them for a group of players they select. These events don't appear on the events calendar. Home play is great for playing RPGA adventures and earning D&D Rewards with your regular gaming group. Game days: Public events, usually one-day, devoted to playing games. Anyone is welcome to attend and RPGA members in good standing are welcome to participate. This makes it pretty clear that a Game Day is supposed to be open to anyone interested.
King Kashue 11-30-05, 10:00 PM	However, just like any privately owned establishement (whether a gaming store or personal apartment), anyone can be refused access to the premises... Just because its a game day and is open to the public doesn't mean I have to let someone into my house I don't want to, no more than the game store owner must let someone onto his premises if s/he doesn't want to...
kenobi65 11-30-05, 10:20 PM	Very true, KK. However, I think the point is that there's the distinction between Game Days (open / public) and Home Play (closed / private) for a reason.
King Kashue 11-30-05, 11:27 PM	Very true, KK. However, I think the point is that there's the distinction between Game Days (open / public) and Home Play (closed / private) for a reason. Of course...If anyone actually contacted me about one of the game days at my place, I wouldn't automatically turn them away (it's only happened once ever and we were already at 6 people), just saying it's not as if you're forced to let people play... In the same way, if 5 people refuse to play with a particular person at a con (for whatever reason), they are not required to (one persons problem, they walk away, but if the whole table refuses, you get the idea)...
jhorred 12-03-05, 01:03 AM	I am almost positive that I have done this. I have only ordered a few games though so I am not 100% sure. cheers, -Mike I just reported two home games that I ordered and had another GM run. They both showed up on my player profile.