Use Magic Device (Wands) Skill [Archive] - Wizards Community

Use Magic Device (Wands) Skill [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Gumbymoto
08-10-06, 04:16 PM The PHB states that you can not take 10 with the use wands portion of the use magic device skill, it does not say anything about not being able to use the take 20 rule.

Would it be possible for a character to use the take 20 to use a wand, such as CLW, after the battle is over?
Oogar
08-10-06, 04:36 PM Nope, any skill that has a possible negative consequence to a poor roll is a skill that you cannot take 20 on. With a 1 on UMD and a wand, the wand 'locks up' for that character for 24 hours. So... negative consequence = no taking 20.
BillKronick
08-10-06, 05:21 PM Nope, any skill that has a possible negative consequence to a poor roll is a skill that you cannot take 20 on. With a 1 on UMD and a wand, the wand 'locks up' for that character for 24 hours. So... negative consequence = no taking 20.

Isn't that impossible? You can't use UMD untrained (so you have to have at least 1 rank) and you can't roll a zero. I suppose you could have negative attribute modifiers that could bring the result down to a 1, but if that's the case, then what are you trying to UMD a wand for?
Oogar
08-10-06, 05:37 PM The 1 is a 'natural 1' and is specific to UMD for skill checks. Normally there is no 'critical failure' for skills other then UMD.
Lomiat
08-10-06, 06:22 PM Isn't that impossible? You can't use UMD untrained (so you have to have at least 1 rank) and you can't roll a zero. I suppose you could have negative attribute modifiers that could bring the result down to a 1, but if that's the case, then what are you trying to UMD a wand for?

Um... Because your Occult Slayer doesn't always trust the cleric to cast the spell the cleric says he's going to cast?
ShinAkuma2
08-10-06, 10:49 PM The 1 is a 'natural 1' and is specific to UMD for skill checks. Normally there is no 'critical failure' for skills other then UMD.

Read the entry again...It says, "If you roll a 1 AND you fail..." You have to do both.

It is possible to roll a one and still succeed, which would not trigger a mishap.

I would allow someone to take 20, simply so I can roll 19 mishaps. XD
RLWilde
08-11-06, 12:40 AM It is possible to roll a one and still succeed, which would not trigger a mishap.
But if you have enough of a bonus in UMD to succeed on a 1, why are you taking 20? :)
Gumbymoto
08-11-06, 08:53 PM With a 8 CHR and one skill level it would give me a zero on the skill roll, if I had been able to take 20 on this one it would have allowed me to use a CLW wand at the end of a battle to heal myself in case the party did not have a devine caster saving a ton of gold vs potions. (CLW wand 750gp 50 charges vs 50gp for a potion)

Thanks for the info!!!!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Gumbymoto 08-10-06, 04:16 PM	The PHB states that you can not take 10 with the use wands portion of the use magic device skill, it does not say anything about not being able to use the take 20 rule. Would it be possible for a character to use the take 20 to use a wand, such as CLW, after the battle is over?
Oogar 08-10-06, 04:36 PM	Nope, any skill that has a possible negative consequence to a poor roll is a skill that you cannot take 20 on. With a 1 on UMD and a wand, the wand 'locks up' for that character for 24 hours. So... negative consequence = no taking 20.
BillKronick 08-10-06, 05:21 PM	Nope, any skill that has a possible negative consequence to a poor roll is a skill that you cannot take 20 on. With a 1 on UMD and a wand, the wand 'locks up' for that character for 24 hours. So... negative consequence = no taking 20. Isn't that impossible? You can't use UMD untrained (so you have to have at least 1 rank) and you can't roll a zero. I suppose you could have negative attribute modifiers that could bring the result down to a 1, but if that's the case, then what are you trying to UMD a wand for?
Oogar 08-10-06, 05:37 PM	The 1 is a 'natural 1' and is specific to UMD for skill checks. Normally there is no 'critical failure' for skills other then UMD.
Lomiat 08-10-06, 06:22 PM	Isn't that impossible? You can't use UMD untrained (so you have to have at least 1 rank) and you can't roll a zero. I suppose you could have negative attribute modifiers that could bring the result down to a 1, but if that's the case, then what are you trying to UMD a wand for? Um... Because your Occult Slayer doesn't always trust the cleric to cast the spell the cleric says he's going to cast?
ShinAkuma2 08-10-06, 10:49 PM	The 1 is a 'natural 1' and is specific to UMD for skill checks. Normally there is no 'critical failure' for skills other then UMD. Read the entry again...It says, "If you roll a 1 AND you fail..." You have to do both. It is possible to roll a one and still succeed, which would not trigger a mishap. I would allow someone to take 20, simply so I can roll 19 mishaps. XD
RLWilde 08-11-06, 12:40 AM	It is possible to roll a one and still succeed, which would not trigger a mishap. But if you have enough of a bonus in UMD to succeed on a 1, why are you taking 20? :)
Gumbymoto 08-11-06, 08:53 PM	With a 8 CHR and one skill level it would give me a zero on the skill roll, if I had been able to take 20 on this one it would have allowed me to use a CLW wand at the end of a battle to heal myself in case the party did not have a devine caster saving a ton of gold vs potions. (CLW wand 750gp 50 charges vs 50gp for a potion) Thanks for the info!!!!