Zen archery [Archive] - Wizards Community

Zen archery [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Cynric
08-27-06, 07:32 PM Just a thought. If you have gthe Feat Zen Archery, does it allow you to qualify for point blank and preceise shots and so on by changing the requirement to Wisdom 13 and so on.
Iswald
08-27-06, 10:37 PM No. It would only do so if the feat description said it did.
Cynric
08-28-06, 05:22 AM Well that makes the feat completely ueless then. Back to the old drawing board.
Nutation
08-28-06, 06:54 PM Point Blank and Precise Shot have no prerequisites. Rapid Shot requires dex 13, not too onerous for a cleric whose wisdom may be considerably higher. Rapid Shot can also be obtained from ranger 2.

Now, there are archery feats that require high dex - Many Shot, Improved PS, etc. A zen archer (unlikely to be a high level ranger getting bonus feats) won't be taking those.

Zen archery is for those who value high wisdom and can afford low dex or who want to mitigate MAD.
ShinAkuma2
08-29-06, 03:47 PM How is it useless? I could see a Cleric getting great use of this combined with Reach Spell to make ranged Cure & Inflict spells.

*writes that one down*
clik_ml
08-29-06, 05:28 PM How is it useless? I could see a Cleric getting great use of this combined with Reach Spell to make ranged Cure & Inflict spells.

*writes that one down*

You could? That seems like a horrible waste of spells.

Either you're burning all your feats in order to divine reach some wound spells, or you are using high level slots to do nominal damage. You'd be better off just using a bow.
Lupo
08-29-06, 06:11 PM You could? That seems like a horrible waste of spells.

Either you're burning all your feats in order to divine reach some wound spells, or you are using high level slots to do nominal damage. You'd be better off just using a bow.

the problem with reach spell is the low range. it gives you 30-ft. range, period. and to really make use of it, you should consider divine metamagic [reach spell] and have some healing spells prepared.

yea, it aould be nice to have it, but unless you are an archer cleric anyway it is at high costs. too high for my taste.

ciao

martin m.
Cynric
08-29-06, 06:56 PM What startedall this thinking was looking at doing a cleric of Procan going for stormlord. The javelins would be nice if I could get most of the archery feats out of my high wisdom.
Mommy was an Orc
08-29-06, 08:16 PM What startedall this thinking was looking at doing a cleric of Procan going for stormlord. The javelins would be nice if I could get most of the archery feats out of my high wisdom.

Stormlord requires an insane number of feats - it is really difficult to fit Zen Archery and other archer feats in there.
Cynric
08-29-06, 09:26 PM True, but my freinds and I are looking at building an entire party (4 coreplayers with close to iconics and a few hangers on) around the concept of cold and storms for the return of Ratik. Any other suggestions would be nice. So far we are looking at

Stormlord
Stormsinger (providing access)
Stormcaster (providing Access)
Shining Blade (shock blades)
and the ever useful pure barbarian (thunder theme)
Rogue\scout archer
Arvagor
08-29-06, 09:27 PM Stormlord requires an insane number of feats - it is really difficult to fit Zen Archery and other archer feats in there.I wouldn't really consider 3 feats (Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus) an "insane" number. Given the typical worshippers of the deities permissible for Storm Lord (i.e., the PC is likely human), two of your feats should be out of the way at first level; take the third at 3rd level, and Zen Archery at 6th, the same level you qualify for entry into Stormlord (presuming you've met the requirement of being struck by lightning).
Mommy was an Orc
08-29-06, 11:37 PM I wouldn't really consider 3 feats (Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus) an "insane" number. Given the typical worshippers of the deities permissible for Storm Lord (i.e., the PC is likely human), two of your feats should be out of the way at first level; take the third at 3rd level, and Zen Archery at 6th, the same level you qualify for entry into Stormlord (presuming you've met the requirement of being struck by lightning).

The problem isn't picking up Zen Archery, it is the complete lack of other thrown weapon feats. Aka Precise Shot and Quickdraw.
Cynric
08-29-06, 11:59 PM Being struck by l;ightning is not a problem. 3rd level domain spell from weather(I think) Call lightning. My character could get psyched up to meet his god by shocking himself.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cynric 08-27-06, 07:32 PM	Just a thought. If you have gthe Feat Zen Archery, does it allow you to qualify for point blank and preceise shots and so on by changing the requirement to Wisdom 13 and so on.
Iswald 08-27-06, 10:37 PM	No. It would only do so if the feat description said it did.
Cynric 08-28-06, 05:22 AM	Well that makes the feat completely ueless then. Back to the old drawing board.
Nutation 08-28-06, 06:54 PM	Point Blank and Precise Shot have no prerequisites. Rapid Shot requires dex 13, not too onerous for a cleric whose wisdom may be considerably higher. Rapid Shot can also be obtained from ranger 2. Now, there are archery feats that require high dex - Many Shot, Improved PS, etc. A zen archer (unlikely to be a high level ranger getting bonus feats) won't be taking those. Zen archery is for those who value high wisdom and can afford low dex or who want to mitigate MAD.
ShinAkuma2 08-29-06, 03:47 PM	How is it useless? I could see a Cleric getting great use of this combined with Reach Spell to make ranged Cure & Inflict spells. writes that one down
clik_ml 08-29-06, 05:28 PM	How is it useless? I could see a Cleric getting great use of this combined with Reach Spell to make ranged Cure & Inflict spells. writes that one down You could? That seems like a horrible waste of spells. Either you're burning all your feats in order to divine reach some wound spells, or you are using high level slots to do nominal damage. You'd be better off just using a bow.
Lupo 08-29-06, 06:11 PM	You could? That seems like a horrible waste of spells. Either you're burning all your feats in order to divine reach some wound spells, or you are using high level slots to do nominal damage. You'd be better off just using a bow. the problem with reach spell is the low range. it gives you 30-ft. range, period. and to really make use of it, you should consider divine metamagic [reach spell] and have some healing spells prepared. yea, it aould be nice to have it, but unless you are an archer cleric anyway it is at high costs. too high for my taste. ciao martin m.
Cynric 08-29-06, 06:56 PM	What startedall this thinking was looking at doing a cleric of Procan going for stormlord. The javelins would be nice if I could get most of the archery feats out of my high wisdom.
Mommy was an Orc 08-29-06, 08:16 PM	What startedall this thinking was looking at doing a cleric of Procan going for stormlord. The javelins would be nice if I could get most of the archery feats out of my high wisdom. Stormlord requires an insane number of feats - it is really difficult to fit Zen Archery and other archer feats in there.
Cynric 08-29-06, 09:26 PM	True, but my freinds and I are looking at building an entire party (4 coreplayers with close to iconics and a few hangers on) around the concept of cold and storms for the return of Ratik. Any other suggestions would be nice. So far we are looking at Stormlord Stormsinger (providing access) Stormcaster (providing Access) Shining Blade (shock blades) and the ever useful pure barbarian (thunder theme) Rogue\scout archer
Arvagor 08-29-06, 09:27 PM	Stormlord requires an insane number of feats - it is really difficult to fit Zen Archery and other archer feats in there.I wouldn't really consider 3 feats (Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus) an "insane" number. Given the typical worshippers of the deities permissible for Storm Lord (i.e., the PC is likely human), two of your feats should be out of the way at first level; take the third at 3rd level, and Zen Archery at 6th, the same level you qualify for entry into Stormlord (presuming you've met the requirement of being struck by lightning).
Mommy was an Orc 08-29-06, 11:37 PM	I wouldn't really consider 3 feats (Endurance, Great Fortitude, Weapon Focus) an "insane" number. Given the typical worshippers of the deities permissible for Storm Lord (i.e., the PC is likely human), two of your feats should be out of the way at first level; take the third at 3rd level, and Zen Archery at 6th, the same level you qualify for entry into Stormlord (presuming you've met the requirement of being struck by lightning). The problem isn't picking up Zen Archery, it is the complete lack of other thrown weapon feats. Aka Precise Shot and Quickdraw.
Cynric 08-29-06, 11:59 PM	Being struck by l;ightning is not a problem. 3rd level domain spell from weather(I think) Call lightning. My character could get psyched up to meet his god by shocking himself.