...can you empower a Bestow Curse? [Archive] - Wizards Community

...can you empower a Bestow Curse? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Critical Mass
10-28-03, 12:09 AM It seems a bit powerful to me, but I can't find anything in the actual rules that goes against it. -9 to an attribute or a 75% chance to lose all actions is pretty damn good for a fifth level spell.

Opinions?

[Edit]

Crap, nm, didn't see the "variable" part. >.<
Gyrofthewastes
10-28-03, 12:15 AM The bit in the rules against it is this: Empower spell requires random components. There aren't any in Bestow Curse (at least for the forms listed).

Note: Post started before the edit.
Critical Mass
10-28-03, 12:20 AM Yeah, I just noticed that as you were posting. Guess we can't have it all.

*Goes back to 3E's Hold + Coup goodness.*
incubus
10-28-03, 12:23 AM Originally posted by Critical Mass
Yeah, I just noticed that as you were posting. Guess we can't have it all.

*Goes back to 3E's Hold + Coup goodness.*

Although I suppose you could argue with your GM that a curse which reduced attributes by -5 to -7 points would fit within the limits of the "any other curse you can think of that's a similar power level" category of curse. Then you empower it.
Critical Mass
10-28-03, 12:33 AM But then that's only a 1d3+4, which would only come out as either a -5, -7, or -8. It's still better, but not quite "two-spell levels higher" better.
Gyrofthewastes
10-28-03, 08:45 PM Yeah, sorry about that. I'd delete it if "they" would let me. :embarrass
incubus
10-28-03, 09:17 PM Originally posted by Critical Mass
But then that's only a 1d3+4, which would only come out as either a -5, -7, or -8. It's still better, but not quite "two-spell levels higher" better.

Except the +4 gets multiplied too. Read the description in empower of a magic missile.

So, it would be (5 to 7)*1.5 = 7 to 10 points.
Critical Mass
10-28-03, 09:52 PM Hmmm.....that's weird. And that does make it pretty powerful then; it's not quite a Ray of Enfeeblement, but it's still not bad.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Critical Mass 10-28-03, 12:09 AM	It seems a bit powerful to me, but I can't find anything in the actual rules that goes against it. -9 to an attribute or a 75% chance to lose all actions is pretty damn good for a fifth level spell. Opinions? [Edit] Crap, nm, didn't see the "variable" part. >.<
Gyrofthewastes 10-28-03, 12:15 AM	The bit in the rules against it is this: Empower spell requires random components. There aren't any in Bestow Curse (at least for the forms listed). Note: Post started before the edit.
Critical Mass 10-28-03, 12:20 AM	Yeah, I just noticed that as you were posting. Guess we can't have it all. Goes back to 3E's Hold + Coup goodness.
incubus 10-28-03, 12:23 AM	Originally posted by Critical Mass Yeah, I just noticed that as you were posting. Guess we can't have it all. Goes back to 3E's Hold + Coup goodness. Although I suppose you could argue with your GM that a curse which reduced attributes by -5 to -7 points would fit within the limits of the "any other curse you can think of that's a similar power level" category of curse. Then you empower it.
Critical Mass 10-28-03, 12:33 AM	But then that's only a 1d3+4, which would only come out as either a -5, -7, or -8. It's still better, but not quite "two-spell levels higher" better.
Gyrofthewastes 10-28-03, 08:45 PM	Yeah, sorry about that. I'd delete it if "they" would let me. :embarrass
incubus 10-28-03, 09:17 PM	Originally posted by Critical Mass But then that's only a 1d3+4, which would only come out as either a -5, -7, or -8. It's still better, but not quite "two-spell levels higher" better. Except the +4 gets multiplied too. Read the description in empower of a magic missile. So, it would be (5 to 7)*1.5 = 7 to 10 points.
Critical Mass 10-28-03, 09:52 PM	Hmmm.....that's weird. And that does make it pretty powerful then; it's not quite a Ray of Enfeeblement, but it's still not bad.