0 lvl spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

0 lvl spells [Archive] - Wizards Community

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bugman1964
11-08-07, 03:45 PM what do you guys use your 0 lvl cleric spells for as you go up in level since they become more useless the higher the level.
CryoSilver
11-08-07, 03:54 PM Light is always useful. Cure Minor Wounds is good for stabilizing an enemy you don't want conscious, but want to question later.
LSMFT
11-08-07, 03:56 PM Things like Read Magic, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, and Light can still be useful at higher levels, though wands for these spells are typically pretty damn cheap.

Still, at most, you only prepare a few orisons, and the caster-level, duration, etc. is still all better when you cast the spells yourself.
Nephlite
11-08-07, 03:58 PM Guidance is always useful.
Seeker95
11-08-07, 04:02 PM The same things I use them for when I am low level. Simple utility.
Lighting a room.
Reading magic.
Detecting magic.
Creating ghost sounds.
Grabbing keys off the hook across the room.
Messaging a guard from a hiding place.
Inscribing runes on my belongings.
Iden_Rayloth
11-08-07, 05:02 PM 0 lvl spells exist for fun and utility as has been described. They are roll playing devices more than useful spells.
Seeker95
11-08-07, 07:12 PM They are roll playing devices more than useful spells.Just quibbling with spelling and semantics here, but...

"They are role-playing devices" is probably what you meant.
Further, they are quite useful; just not very combat-oriented.
larry_the_titan
11-08-07, 07:57 PM In my current game I have gotten more then the standard use out of 0 level spells.

How do you know if there is something magical in the room? Detect Magic
What do you drink when all the water around is poisoned? Create water
What do you do to look around the dark cavern ahead of the party? Light

0-level spells have there uses just not in combat.

Spell compendium also has a few neat 0-level spells.
Dawn for Druids for when they need to wake the party members up in a hurry.
Amanuensis is for Clerics and Wizards who want to copy normal text from one source to another.
Stick for that joking Wizard/Sorcerer who wants to put that Kick me sign on the back of the party fighter.
1 ton ghost
11-09-07, 02:49 PM Larry mentioned Amanuensis. this is pivotal. it used to be 3rd level and i'm not sure it should be an Orison. i mean, consider all the infinite possibilities. copying enemy maps/intel w/out having to steal them. cartographers and scribes make a lot of money for a good reason. it's hard, time consuming, an not just a science, but an art. coupled w/ Mending and your rogue's Bluff and/or Forgery, you are one serious agent provacateur...
-Mending: this is very important as it takes a while to restring an easilly cut, sundered, whatever, bow string. torn or damaged outfit at the gala? restoring a ripped illuminated manuscript or holy text? etc. etc.
-Dect. Magic: often the only way to determine an invisible intruder. magic treasure that doesn't look like much $ at first (Iron Flask, anything glammered, etc.).
-Light: c'mon...being blind is being flat-footed (or is it Dex loss?)
VulcanStormwrath
11-09-07, 05:26 PM Prestidigitation is limited only by creativity and the a DM.
tyrecian
11-09-07, 08:24 PM sadly presti-D is arcane only.... oh for the divine presti-D... :)

imagine that sermon! :D noone would be snoring
larry_the_titan
11-10-07, 12:18 AM Larry mentioned Amanuensis. this is pivotal. it used to be 3rd level and i'm not sure it should be an Orison. i mean, consider all the infinite possibilities. copying enemy maps/intel w/out having to steal them. cartographers and scribes make a lot of money for a good reason. it's hard, time consuming, an not just a science, but an art.

1 Ton Ghost you appearently didn't read your spells. Amanuensis only copies text so it couldn't copy a map unless you only wanted the words off the map. But the spell still does xerox all none magical text. Though if you use the spell with the limits it can still be useful.
BW0222
11-10-07, 09:01 AM bugman1964,

0-lvl spells are still extremely useful, even at higher levels.

Create Water. Saves carrying 2lbs of water per person per day. Also useful for putting out fires.

Cure Minor Wounds. Not that you memorize it, but still useful in stablizing enemies without making them concious.

Detect Magic. A must. Useful in detecting magical traps, finding treasure, detecting spells on folks, and often identifying magical items -- the school often gives you a good idea what the item is. How many "conjuration" potions aren't curing?

Detect Poison. Saves you from 'testing' poison potions, can help in detecting some traps, and ensures that your food is safe to eat at the inn.

Light. A must. Always handy even if you have continual flame. I like putting it on arrows so that archers can fire arrows ahead. Useful on coins dropped down pits or as a backup when someone dispells your continue flames. Faster than taking out a torch, taking out flint and steal, and then lighting it.

Mending. Can be useful for torn pages, minor damage to simple objects, etc.

Purify Food and Drink. Extremely useful during wilderness travel.

Read Magic. A must. Saves spellcraft checks (and time) in indentifying scrolls or spells within spellbooks. Often means the difference between using a scroll during the adventure or not. Also many places have magical writings.
knightwriter
11-10-07, 11:12 AM I use all the detection spells all the time.
Purify food and drink...always a good one.
1 ton ghost
11-10-07, 12:37 PM 1 Ton Ghost you appearently didn't read your spells. Amanuensis only copies text so it couldn't copy a map unless you only wanted the words off the map. But the spell still does xerox all none magical text. Though if you use the spell with the limits it can still be useful.

apprciated. perhaps i should've illustrated more clearly the MO of spying in this capacity though i thought you and the others could figure it out. but yes, you are quite right in that it's text only.
why is that anyway?
i don't see how a schematic would necessarilly break the Orision spell lvl of worth. i mean, if you have the hardcopy anyway, you could just steal it. how are pictographs, hieroglyphs, etchings, etc., not covered in the the aegis of the spell?

text only; this is the pertinent intel on captured maps, drawing in a few contours, a well known river, etc. are secondary and can be concluded in typical fashion when compared to PC or allied maps. i mean, it wouldn't take alot of time for the enemy to deduce "this here is Lonely Mountain", but the scrawling in goblinoid near it suggests 2 divisions of infantry or the archetypal secret door.
Aleolus
11-10-07, 02:49 PM Prestidigitation is limited only by creativity and the a DM.

Presti is a 1st level spell, not a 0 level, though. Also, as pointed out, Arcane only.

I suppose you could play one of my Kitsune (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=945329) as a Cleric. Then you get divine spellcasting, and Prestidigitation at will!
Undrhil
11-10-07, 04:35 PM Presti is a 1st level spell, not a 0 level, though. Also, as pointed out, Arcane only.

I suppose you could play one of my [url=http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=945329]Kitsune[url] as a Cleric. Then you get divine spellcasting, and Prestidigitation at will!

Um, all of my Sorceror and Wizard characters disagree with you. Prestidigitation is 0-level, though it *is* Arcane only. Isn't there Cleric domain that grants Prestidigitation as a Domain bonus ability?
Aleolus
11-11-07, 01:42 AM ...You're right. I thought it was first level, for some reason. Ah well.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bugman1964 11-08-07, 03:45 PM	what do you guys use your 0 lvl cleric spells for as you go up in level since they become more useless the higher the level.
CryoSilver 11-08-07, 03:54 PM	Light is always useful. Cure Minor Wounds is good for stabilizing an enemy you don't want conscious, but want to question later.
LSMFT 11-08-07, 03:56 PM	Things like Read Magic, Detect Magic, Detect Poison, and Light can still be useful at higher levels, though wands for these spells are typically pretty damn cheap. Still, at most, you only prepare a few orisons, and the caster-level, duration, etc. is still all better when you cast the spells yourself.
Nephlite 11-08-07, 03:58 PM	Guidance is always useful.
Seeker95 11-08-07, 04:02 PM	The same things I use them for when I am low level. Simple utility. Lighting a room. Reading magic. Detecting magic. Creating ghost sounds. Grabbing keys off the hook across the room. Messaging a guard from a hiding place. Inscribing runes on my belongings.
Iden_Rayloth 11-08-07, 05:02 PM	0 lvl spells exist for fun and utility as has been described. They are roll playing devices more than useful spells.
Seeker95 11-08-07, 07:12 PM	They are roll playing devices more than useful spells.Just quibbling with spelling and semantics here, but... "They are role-playing devices" is probably what you meant. Further, they are quite useful; just not very combat-oriented.
larry_the_titan 11-08-07, 07:57 PM	In my current game I have gotten more then the standard use out of 0 level spells. How do you know if there is something magical in the room? Detect Magic What do you drink when all the water around is poisoned? Create water What do you do to look around the dark cavern ahead of the party? Light 0-level spells have there uses just not in combat. Spell compendium also has a few neat 0-level spells. Dawn for Druids for when they need to wake the party members up in a hurry. Amanuensis is for Clerics and Wizards who want to copy normal text from one source to another. Stick for that joking Wizard/Sorcerer who wants to put that Kick me sign on the back of the party fighter.
1 ton ghost 11-09-07, 02:49 PM	Larry mentioned Amanuensis. this is pivotal. it used to be 3rd level and i'm not sure it should be an Orison. i mean, consider all the infinite possibilities. copying enemy maps/intel w/out having to steal them. cartographers and scribes make a lot of money for a good reason. it's hard, time consuming, an not just a science, but an art. coupled w/ Mending and your rogue's Bluff and/or Forgery, you are one serious agent provacateur... -Mending: this is very important as it takes a while to restring an easilly cut, sundered, whatever, bow string. torn or damaged outfit at the gala? restoring a ripped illuminated manuscript or holy text? etc. etc. -Dect. Magic: often the only way to determine an invisible intruder. magic treasure that doesn't look like much $ at first (Iron Flask, anything glammered, etc.). -Light: c'mon...being blind is being flat-footed (or is it Dex loss?)
VulcanStormwrath 11-09-07, 05:26 PM	Prestidigitation is limited only by creativity and the a DM.
tyrecian 11-09-07, 08:24 PM	sadly presti-D is arcane only.... oh for the divine presti-D... :) imagine that sermon! :D noone would be snoring
larry_the_titan 11-10-07, 12:18 AM	Larry mentioned Amanuensis. this is pivotal. it used to be 3rd level and i'm not sure it should be an Orison. i mean, consider all the infinite possibilities. copying enemy maps/intel w/out having to steal them. cartographers and scribes make a lot of money for a good reason. it's hard, time consuming, an not just a science, but an art. 1 Ton Ghost you appearently didn't read your spells. Amanuensis only copies text so it couldn't copy a map unless you only wanted the words off the map. But the spell still does xerox all none magical text. Though if you use the spell with the limits it can still be useful.
BW0222 11-10-07, 09:01 AM	bugman1964, 0-lvl spells are still extremely useful, even at higher levels. Create Water. Saves carrying 2lbs of water per person per day. Also useful for putting out fires. Cure Minor Wounds. Not that you memorize it, but still useful in stablizing enemies without making them concious. Detect Magic. A must. Useful in detecting magical traps, finding treasure, detecting spells on folks, and often identifying magical items -- the school often gives you a good idea what the item is. How many "conjuration" potions aren't curing? Detect Poison. Saves you from 'testing' poison potions, can help in detecting some traps, and ensures that your food is safe to eat at the inn. Light. A must. Always handy even if you have continual flame. I like putting it on arrows so that archers can fire arrows ahead. Useful on coins dropped down pits or as a backup when someone dispells your continue flames. Faster than taking out a torch, taking out flint and steal, and then lighting it. Mending. Can be useful for torn pages, minor damage to simple objects, etc. Purify Food and Drink. Extremely useful during wilderness travel. Read Magic. A must. Saves spellcraft checks (and time) in indentifying scrolls or spells within spellbooks. Often means the difference between using a scroll during the adventure or not. Also many places have magical writings.
knightwriter 11-10-07, 11:12 AM	I use all the detection spells all the time. Purify food and drink...always a good one.
1 ton ghost 11-10-07, 12:37 PM	1 Ton Ghost you appearently didn't read your spells. Amanuensis only copies text so it couldn't copy a map unless you only wanted the words off the map. But the spell still does xerox all none magical text. Though if you use the spell with the limits it can still be useful. apprciated. perhaps i should've illustrated more clearly the MO of spying in this capacity though i thought you and the others could figure it out. but yes, you are quite right in that it's text only. why is that anyway? i don't see how a schematic would necessarilly break the Orision spell lvl of worth. i mean, if you have the hardcopy anyway, you could just steal it. how are pictographs, hieroglyphs, etchings, etc., not covered in the the aegis of the spell? text only; this is the pertinent intel on captured maps, drawing in a few contours, a well known river, etc. are secondary and can be concluded in typical fashion when compared to PC or allied maps. i mean, it wouldn't take alot of time for the enemy to deduce "this here is Lonely Mountain", but the scrawling in goblinoid near it suggests 2 divisions of infantry or the archetypal secret door.
Aleolus 11-10-07, 02:49 PM	Prestidigitation is limited only by creativity and the a DM. Presti is a 1st level spell, not a 0 level, though. Also, as pointed out, Arcane only. I suppose you could play one of my Kitsune (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=945329) as a Cleric. Then you get divine spellcasting, and Prestidigitation at will!
Undrhil 11-10-07, 04:35 PM	Presti is a 1st level spell, not a 0 level, though. Also, as pointed out, Arcane only. I suppose you could play one of my [url=http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=945329]Kitsune[url] as a Cleric. Then you get divine spellcasting, and Prestidigitation at will! Um, all of my Sorceror and Wizard characters disagree with you. Prestidigitation is 0-level, though it is Arcane only. Isn't there Cleric domain that grants Prestidigitation as a Domain bonus ability?
Aleolus 11-11-07, 01:42 AM	...You're right. I thought it was first level, for some reason. Ah well.