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Wonton2006
07-14-06, 11:52 AM Sort of a continuation of my other thread in Equipment and Combat.

Since Magic Weapon gives a +1 enhancement bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls with the weapon, that would make it near useless for all weapons that are masterwork or better. Am I correct?

Greater Magic Weapon gives a +1 bonus for every four caster levels. That would not stack with the weapon's normal enhancement bonus from being +1 or from being masterwork, right? So, yet again, almost useless at levels 7 and below. At level 8, however, let's say I cast it on the Rogue's +1 Rapier. That would only make it a +2 Rapier, right? There are currently 3 enhancement bonuses on attack rolls for that rapier, but they're all overlapping: +1 from Masterwork, +1 from +1, +2 from GMW.

Lastly, would casting MW on a weapon allow me to bypass DR of xx/magic?

Sorry for the rant, just trying to get things cleared up here.
tarkin
07-14-06, 12:06 PM 1) Correct, casting Magic Weapon on a Masterwork weapon is not very usefull (but see #3)

2) Correct, +1 from GMW has the same issue. Typically you up until level 8, you only cast it on a NORMAL weapon, not a Masterwork.

3) But yes, both Magic Weapon and GMW do make a spell magical, so it WILL defeat DR x/magic, no matter how high x is. Up until level 7 on GMW, this is the major use for GMW.
Thiez
07-14-06, 12:11 PM Use it to make improvised weapons more dangerous :D

Fear my +1 chair.
cwslyclgh
07-14-06, 02:19 PM Since Magic Weapon gives a +1 enhancement bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls with the weapon, that would make it near useless for all weapons that are masterwork or better. Am I correct?I wouldn't call it near usless, it is about half as effective when used on a masterwork weapon as far as bonus granted is concerned, giving it an additional +1 to damage. it also allows that weapon to by pass DR x/magic, which IMO is the real purpose of the spell, and in that regard it is not useless at all.
Zherog
07-14-06, 02:25 PM Greater magic weapon has the sweet, sweet "1 hour/level" duration going for it. At high levels, it's really good for allowing you to cram more abilities onto your weapon while still getting the enhancement bonus you need. For example, you can have a weapon that's +1 with +9 worth of abilities (stuff like keen, flaming, ghost touch, etc), then cast GMW on it and you have a high enhancement bonus and al lthe abilities.
bondious
07-18-06, 03:41 AM Greater magic weapon has the sweet, sweet "1 hour/level" duration going for it. At high levels, it's really good for allowing you to cram more abilities onto your weapon while still getting the enhancement bonus you need. For example, you can have a weapon that's +1 with +9 worth of abilities (stuff like keen, flaming, ghost touch, etc), then cast GMW on it and you have a high enhancement bonus and al lthe abilities.

You could probably also enchant the weapon itself with the Greater Magic Weapon spell as a spell-like ability, x times/day. That would make the sword even "sweeter" (god, I hate that word), huh?

Seriously, though, I don't see why not...though you'd probably pay up the nose for it. :)

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Wonton2006 07-14-06, 11:52 AM	Sort of a continuation of my other thread in Equipment and Combat. Since Magic Weapon gives a +1 enhancement bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls with the weapon, that would make it near useless for all weapons that are masterwork or better. Am I correct? Greater Magic Weapon gives a +1 bonus for every four caster levels. That would not stack with the weapon's normal enhancement bonus from being +1 or from being masterwork, right? So, yet again, almost useless at levels 7 and below. At level 8, however, let's say I cast it on the Rogue's +1 Rapier. That would only make it a +2 Rapier, right? There are currently 3 enhancement bonuses on attack rolls for that rapier, but they're all overlapping: +1 from Masterwork, +1 from +1, +2 from GMW. Lastly, would casting MW on a weapon allow me to bypass DR of xx/magic? Sorry for the rant, just trying to get things cleared up here.
tarkin 07-14-06, 12:06 PM	1) Correct, casting Magic Weapon on a Masterwork weapon is not very usefull (but see #3) 2) Correct, +1 from GMW has the same issue. Typically you up until level 8, you only cast it on a NORMAL weapon, not a Masterwork. 3) But yes, both Magic Weapon and GMW do make a spell magical, so it WILL defeat DR x/magic, no matter how high x is. Up until level 7 on GMW, this is the major use for GMW.
Thiez 07-14-06, 12:11 PM	Use it to make improvised weapons more dangerous :D Fear my +1 chair.
cwslyclgh 07-14-06, 02:19 PM	Since Magic Weapon gives a +1 enhancement bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls with the weapon, that would make it near useless for all weapons that are masterwork or better. Am I correct?I wouldn't call it near usless, it is about half as effective when used on a masterwork weapon as far as bonus granted is concerned, giving it an additional +1 to damage. it also allows that weapon to by pass DR x/magic, which IMO is the real purpose of the spell, and in that regard it is not useless at all.
Zherog 07-14-06, 02:25 PM	Greater magic weapon has the sweet, sweet "1 hour/level" duration going for it. At high levels, it's really good for allowing you to cram more abilities onto your weapon while still getting the enhancement bonus you need. For example, you can have a weapon that's +1 with +9 worth of abilities (stuff like keen, flaming, ghost touch, etc), then cast GMW on it and you have a high enhancement bonus and al lthe abilities.
bondious 07-18-06, 03:41 AM	Greater magic weapon has the sweet, sweet "1 hour/level" duration going for it. At high levels, it's really good for allowing you to cram more abilities onto your weapon while still getting the enhancement bonus you need. For example, you can have a weapon that's +1 with +9 worth of abilities (stuff like keen, flaming, ghost touch, etc), then cast GMW on it and you have a high enhancement bonus and al lthe abilities. You could probably also enchant the weapon itself with the Greater Magic Weapon spell as a spell-like ability, x times/day. That would make the sword even "sweeter" (god, I hate that word), huh? Seriously, though, I don't see why not...though you'd probably pay up the nose for it. :)