1001 ways to make Magic Missile potent [Archive] - Wizards Community

1001 ways to make Magic Missile potent [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
aramilcaelvan
02-03-07, 11:17 AM We all know that the truely great wizard aims not at the golem, but at the wooden platform below the golem. Post ways to deal extra damage with Magic Missile. They can be humerous or serious.

1) Two words. Aim low.
Thiez
02-03-07, 11:18 AM Magic Missile cannot target objects.
CantripN
02-03-07, 11:19 AM You know MM can't harm objects, right?

2 - Empower Spell. Empowered MM FTW!

EDIT: Damn, Simu-Ninjaed!
maurezen
02-03-07, 01:07 PM Yes, mm cannot harm objects...

3)At low levels I'd suggest Arcane Thesis + twin (if it's +2) or empower(otherwise).
mrwinters
02-03-07, 01:21 PM 4) roll the argent blablabla prestige class (Force specialized wizard prestige class from Complete Arcane): +1 dmg pero missile.

5) Get Metamagic Spell Focus on evocation (Complete Arcane aswell) + Spell Thesis (magic missile) and you have -2 on metamagic feats' "price adjustment". Then have fun with metamagic feats as Twin spell, Chain spell...
NobodyRemembersThis
02-03-07, 01:24 PM 6)Target the guy controlling the Golem. :P
maurezen
02-03-07, 01:34 PM 6)Target the guy controlling the Golem. :P
I bet he's long dead :P
Osedox
02-03-07, 01:39 PM Force Missile Mage+Incantatrix+Arcane Thesis (Magic Missile)+as many MM feats as possible.
cthascott
02-03-07, 11:37 PM 7) Use MM to attack the darkness!
aelryinth
02-04-07, 12:10 AM 4) roll the argent blablabla prestige class (Force specialized wizard prestige class from Complete Arcane): +1 dmg pero missile.

5) Get Metamagic Spell Focus on evocation (Complete Arcane aswell) + Spell Thesis (magic missile) and you have -2 on metamagic feats' "price adjustment". Then have fun with metamagic feats as Twin spell, Chain spell...

you DO know that sticking on MM feats that give no level adjustment don't do anything? And you can't give something a negative level adjustment (which would effectively be applying the adjustment to TWO feats with one use?)

And Arcane thesis only works at the end of the stacking, not on each one.

:o

===+Aelryinth
Osedox
02-04-07, 01:44 AM And Arcane thesis only works at the end of the stacking, not on each one.Huh, thats the second time if seen that written in as many days. Do you have any proof? CutServ? Anything?
runestar
02-04-07, 07:04 AM The way I read the feat, it can result in a negative lv adjustment, simply because it lacks the reminder text incantatrix gets. And as far as I know, no official errata or sage ruling yet exists.

For example, if I apply energy sub to an arcane thesis'ed fireball, it takes up a 2nd lv slot. And this benefit applies to each and every such metamagic feat applied. Thus, a silent, stilled fireball still takes up only a 3rd lv slot.

Thus, if I took arcane thesis: enervation, with improved metamagic feature from incantatrix10, and easy metamagic(twin, maximise, split, repeating), I can get a twinned, maximised, split, repeating enervation which deals 8 negative lvs each round on 2 targets for only a 5th lv slot.:)
Gamecubicle
02-04-07, 07:23 AM My DM ****ed up my magic missile...
I used to cast it all the time, but now i get something like wild magic when i cast it... so i can't really use it anymore... unless i wanna turn into a bunny rabbit again... lol
HellflameArcanite
02-04-07, 12:10 PM Ooooooh...bunny wabbits...
wizard of Newfoundland
02-04-07, 01:51 PM This isn't my own, i got it from a Board i posted awhile back

8.) Fell Drain (LM) magic missile. 1 negative level to 5 different creatures for a 3rd level spell, Nice when used on chain missile to.
maurezen
02-04-07, 02:33 PM wizard of Newfoundland:
that's awful. Chained fell drain mm with arcane thesis and ease metamagic. What potency, and a shield spell blocks it all... *weeps*
aelryinth
02-04-07, 03:36 PM Huh, thats the second time if seen that written in as many days. Do you have any proof? CutServ? Anything?

Came off the Sage ruling.

If you do a search for the I Love Arcane Thesis thread over on the ChOpt boards, which plummeted from sight once this ruling came out, it's mentioned in the last two pages.

Really nerfs a lot of MM builds.

===Aelryinth
Osedox
02-05-07, 01:26 AM Really nerfs a lot of MM builds.Word. Well I guess it was just too good to be true.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
aramilcaelvan 02-03-07, 11:17 AM	We all know that the truely great wizard aims not at the golem, but at the wooden platform below the golem. Post ways to deal extra damage with Magic Missile. They can be humerous or serious. 1) Two words. Aim low.
Thiez 02-03-07, 11:18 AM	Magic Missile cannot target objects.
CantripN 02-03-07, 11:19 AM	You know MM can't harm objects, right? 2 - Empower Spell. Empowered MM FTW! EDIT: Damn, Simu-Ninjaed!
maurezen 02-03-07, 01:07 PM	Yes, mm cannot harm objects... 3)At low levels I'd suggest Arcane Thesis + twin (if it's +2) or empower(otherwise).
mrwinters 02-03-07, 01:21 PM	4) roll the argent blablabla prestige class (Force specialized wizard prestige class from Complete Arcane): +1 dmg pero missile. 5) Get Metamagic Spell Focus on evocation (Complete Arcane aswell) + Spell Thesis (magic missile) and you have -2 on metamagic feats' "price adjustment". Then have fun with metamagic feats as Twin spell, Chain spell...
NobodyRemembersThis 02-03-07, 01:24 PM	6)Target the guy controlling the Golem. :P
maurezen 02-03-07, 01:34 PM	6)Target the guy controlling the Golem. :P I bet he's long dead :P
Osedox 02-03-07, 01:39 PM	Force Missile Mage+Incantatrix+Arcane Thesis (Magic Missile)+as many MM feats as possible.
cthascott 02-03-07, 11:37 PM	7) Use MM to attack the darkness!
aelryinth 02-04-07, 12:10 AM	4) roll the argent blablabla prestige class (Force specialized wizard prestige class from Complete Arcane): +1 dmg pero missile. 5) Get Metamagic Spell Focus on evocation (Complete Arcane aswell) + Spell Thesis (magic missile) and you have -2 on metamagic feats' "price adjustment". Then have fun with metamagic feats as Twin spell, Chain spell... you DO know that sticking on MM feats that give no level adjustment don't do anything? And you can't give something a negative level adjustment (which would effectively be applying the adjustment to TWO feats with one use?) And Arcane thesis only works at the end of the stacking, not on each one. :o ===+Aelryinth
Osedox 02-04-07, 01:44 AM	And Arcane thesis only works at the end of the stacking, not on each one.Huh, thats the second time if seen that written in as many days. Do you have any proof? CutServ? Anything?
runestar 02-04-07, 07:04 AM	The way I read the feat, it can result in a negative lv adjustment, simply because it lacks the reminder text incantatrix gets. And as far as I know, no official errata or sage ruling yet exists. For example, if I apply energy sub to an arcane thesis'ed fireball, it takes up a 2nd lv slot. And this benefit applies to each and every such metamagic feat applied. Thus, a silent, stilled fireball still takes up only a 3rd lv slot. Thus, if I took arcane thesis: enervation, with improved metamagic feature from incantatrix10, and easy metamagic(twin, maximise, split, repeating), I can get a twinned, maximised, split, repeating enervation which deals 8 negative lvs each round on 2 targets for only a 5th lv slot.:)
Gamecubicle 02-04-07, 07:23 AM	My DM ****ed up my magic missile... I used to cast it all the time, but now i get something like wild magic when i cast it... so i can't really use it anymore... unless i wanna turn into a bunny rabbit again... lol
HellflameArcanite 02-04-07, 12:10 PM	Ooooooh...bunny wabbits...
wizard of Newfoundland 02-04-07, 01:51 PM	This isn't my own, i got it from a Board i posted awhile back 8.) Fell Drain (LM) magic missile. 1 negative level to 5 different creatures for a 3rd level spell, Nice when used on chain missile to.
maurezen 02-04-07, 02:33 PM	wizard of Newfoundland: that's awful. Chained fell drain mm with arcane thesis and ease metamagic. What potency, and a shield spell blocks it all... weeps
aelryinth 02-04-07, 03:36 PM	Huh, thats the second time if seen that written in as many days. Do you have any proof? CutServ? Anything? Came off the Sage ruling. If you do a search for the I Love Arcane Thesis thread over on the ChOpt boards, which plummeted from sight once this ruling came out, it's mentioned in the last two pages. Really nerfs a lot of MM builds. ===Aelryinth
Osedox 02-05-07, 01:26 AM	Really nerfs a lot of MM builds.Word. Well I guess it was just too good to be true.