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Devrom 02-21-05, 05:57 AM	First of all, hello to you all! :) I'm from Italy and i play D&D for 15 years! :D I'd searched all this section to find the "arcane". 25 pages here and there, but nothing. I write here the question and I'll use Ray of Enfeeblement as an example. That Ray spell, how much damage will do? The phb say "1d6 + 1 per 2 caster level". Ok. If I'm a 7th level wizard, my Ray do 1d6 +3 or 1d6 +4? What is the exact progression? As a DM i think strongly that a 7th lvl wizard will do 1d6 +3 (7/2 truncated = 3), but my players are not so certain... :( Help me understad! :P TY Dennylapeste
Will Brandiman 02-21-05, 06:03 AM	The general rule is that fractions round down. So in your example of "+1 per 2 caster levels" you have a caster level of 7. 7/2 is 3.5, rounded down=3. You would only get +4 when you reach 8th level.
Grugni 02-21-05, 06:42 AM	My first post, so hello all! :) I'm a player in party running adventure with master Devrom and also i'm the guy who seek the truth in spellcasting. :) I know the existence of the golden rule of "rounding down", and obviously, i apply this method in every mathematical situation. But if i read the description of magic damage (or magic healing...) some doubts remain. This is the level progression of various spell appling the formula 1dX+Y every Z level IMHO. Level 1 Ray of Enfeeblement 1d6 + 1 Cure light Wounds 1d8 + 1 Magic missile 1d4 + 1 Level 2 Ray of Enfeeblement 1d6 + 1 Cure light Wounds 1d8 + 2 Magic missile 1d4 + 1 Level 3 Ray of Enfeeblement 1d6 + 2 Cure light Wounds 1d8 + 3 Magic missile 1d4 + 1 + 1d4 + 1 Level 4 Ray of Enfeeblement 1d6 + 2 Cure light Wounds 1d8 + 4 Magic missile 1d4 + 1 + 1d4 + 1 and so on... In other word, for me, every spell in form 1dX + Y every Z level start at level 1 with a +1 (at minimum), considering the Z like a upper limit. Thank to all who can help a bunch of cleric and mage against the rules of magic :)
Will Brandiman 02-21-05, 06:51 AM	I think where you are going wrong is that Magic Missile is a different format to the other 2 spells. MM gives one extra missile for every 2 levels above first. It therefore has a different progression to the others which have a progression of 1 or 2 per caster level.
Grugni 02-21-05, 07:09 AM	I think where you are going wrong is that Magic Missile is a different format to the other 2 spells. MM gives one extra missile for every 2 levels above first. It therefore has a different progression to the others which have a progression of 1 or 2 per caster level. Right. One extra missile every 2 level above first. It's explicitely written because, in my hopinion, the standard rule (in format 1dX + Y every Z level) is: +Y on level 1 --> Z +2Y on level Z+1 --> 2Z +3Y on level 2Z+1 --> 3Z and so on... Excuse for this mathematical computation of magic... :)
gbnogkfs 02-21-05, 07:15 AM	I'm from Italy and i play D&D for 15 years! :D Salve trnsl: Hi
Will Brandiman 02-21-05, 07:15 AM	Right. One extra missile every 2 level above first. It's explicitely written because, in my hopinion, the standard rule (in format 1dX + Y every Z level) is: +Y on level 1 --> Z +2Y on level Z+1 --> 2Z +3Y on level 2Z+1 --> 3Z and so on... Excuse for this mathematical computation of magic... :) I'm not sure what it is that you are saying here. I think your previous example of spells at each caster level was correct though, except that unless the description for RoE says "minimum of +1" then the damage for caster level 1 is just 1d6 (1 divided by 2 = 0.5, round down to 0) and the damage at caster level 3 is 1d6+1, not 1d6+2 (3 divided by 2 = 1.5, round down to 1).
gbnogkfs 02-21-05, 07:17 AM	I'm not sure what it is that you are saying here. Your previous example of spells at each caster level was correct though, except that at 3rd level, RoE gives 1d6+1, not 1d6+2 (3rd level divided by 2 is 1.5, round down to 1). and at 1st, it deals 1d6+0
Will Brandiman 02-21-05, 07:20 AM	and at 1st, it deals 1d6+0 You posted this just as I was editing my previous post! :D
gbnogkfs 02-21-05, 06:39 PM	You posted this just as I was editing my previous post! :D the proofs of your mistake will be forever set in stone in my quote :devil: :smirk: :behold: