+2 quarterstaff of frost possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

+2 quarterstaff of frost possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Han Duo
11-08-07, 07:46 AM I am equipping a couple of NPCs with magic items for my campaign, and I wanted to give one of them a +2 quarterstaff, as well as a staff of frost. I want to combine these two into a +2 quarterstaff of frost, which sounds like a logical thing to do. However I want to know whether this is covered by the rules, since I can't really find anything to support or deny such an item. So my question is: Is a +2 quarterstaff of frost in accordance with the rules?
Kurikin
11-08-07, 08:26 AM Double ended weapons like quarterstaves you have to enchant both ends separately. So you could have one end be +1 flaming and the other +2 frost or whatever you want.

So yes, but it would be the price of two +3 weapons.
Han Duo
11-08-07, 08:32 AM I realize I haven't chosen a particularly clear example with the staff of frost. I don't mean a frost weapon (doing additional cold damage, described in DMG 224), but a staff of the frost kind (capable of casting ice storm (1 charge), wall of ice (1 charge), and cone of cold (2 charges), as described in DMG 244).

To give a clearer example: is a +2 quarterstaff of power possible?
(a staff of power is described in DMG 245)
zeratulcraft
11-08-07, 08:52 AM Ah, yes, make the +2 quarterstaff as normal, then add the cost of a staff with those spells you wish on to it. Then add 50% of the higher cost to the total cost in accordance with the "extra power" or whatever from the creation guidelines.

Example:
+2 Quarterstaff (8300gp)
Frost Staff qualities (X gp)

Add 50% to X, so its 1.5X, then add 8300gp.
runestar
11-08-07, 09:07 AM I don't think you need the 1.5x cost multiplier. A magical staff is still a quarterstaff, and can be enchanted normally like any other weapon. This would be different from combining 2 magic items together.
DracoPhoenix
11-08-07, 09:27 AM I'd probably calculate the cost of the Staff of Frost, using a +2 quarterstaff as an added material component.
Zathress
11-08-07, 11:24 AM The staff of power for example counts as a +2 weapon, a couple other staves count as magic weapons and you have rods that pull double duty as clubs or maces.
Han Duo
11-08-07, 11:28 AM The staff of power for example counts as a +2 weapon

Looks like I chose another bad example :)
How about a +2 quarterstaff of illumination then, is that possible without having to pay the 50% extra for combining two magic items?
Zathress
11-08-07, 11:52 AM The staff of the woodlands is also +2

Near as I can tell there is no extra cost, Your not combing two magic items like say a belt of giant strength and a amulet of health.

Your not combining two magic items, quarterstaffs can simply be enchanted in two ways as a weapon or as a charged item.

If there was a +50% the staff of power would cost a lot more so would the staff of the woodlands.
PhaedrusXY
11-08-07, 12:08 PM It is basically like enchanting a shield as both a weapon and a shield. The costs and effects are totally separate. I don't think you'd need to apply the x1.5 price modifier at all.
Zathress
11-08-07, 12:34 PM For my FINAL act of proof we look at runestaffs from the magic item compendium.

The Runestaff of Ethereal Action's price is
29,700gp
*Check errata, YES they have magic item compendium errata now.

The staff functions as a +1 ghost touch spell in addition to its spell abilities.

I then duplicated the staff using the rules for creating new runestaffs.
The spell casting part costs 21,400gp
Which leaves exactly masterwork quarterstaff 8,300gp of +1 ghost touch

Which gives us the item market price of 29,700gp.

I back engineering a runestaff as they are far cheaper then normal staffs and would require less math and thus less chance for a hicup.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Han Duo 11-08-07, 07:46 AM	I am equipping a couple of NPCs with magic items for my campaign, and I wanted to give one of them a +2 quarterstaff, as well as a staff of frost. I want to combine these two into a +2 quarterstaff of frost, which sounds like a logical thing to do. However I want to know whether this is covered by the rules, since I can't really find anything to support or deny such an item. So my question is: Is a +2 quarterstaff of frost in accordance with the rules?
Kurikin 11-08-07, 08:26 AM	Double ended weapons like quarterstaves you have to enchant both ends separately. So you could have one end be +1 flaming and the other +2 frost or whatever you want. So yes, but it would be the price of two +3 weapons.
Han Duo 11-08-07, 08:32 AM	I realize I haven't chosen a particularly clear example with the staff of frost. I don't mean a frost weapon (doing additional cold damage, described in DMG 224), but a staff of the frost kind (capable of casting ice storm (1 charge), wall of ice (1 charge), and cone of cold (2 charges), as described in DMG 244). To give a clearer example: is a +2 quarterstaff of power possible? (a staff of power is described in DMG 245)
zeratulcraft 11-08-07, 08:52 AM	Ah, yes, make the +2 quarterstaff as normal, then add the cost of a staff with those spells you wish on to it. Then add 50% of the higher cost to the total cost in accordance with the "extra power" or whatever from the creation guidelines. Example: +2 Quarterstaff (8300gp) Frost Staff qualities (X gp) Add 50% to X, so its 1.5X, then add 8300gp.
runestar 11-08-07, 09:07 AM	I don't think you need the 1.5x cost multiplier. A magical staff is still a quarterstaff, and can be enchanted normally like any other weapon. This would be different from combining 2 magic items together.
DracoPhoenix 11-08-07, 09:27 AM	I'd probably calculate the cost of the Staff of Frost, using a +2 quarterstaff as an added material component.
Zathress 11-08-07, 11:24 AM	The staff of power for example counts as a +2 weapon, a couple other staves count as magic weapons and you have rods that pull double duty as clubs or maces.
Han Duo 11-08-07, 11:28 AM	The staff of power for example counts as a +2 weapon Looks like I chose another bad example :) How about a +2 quarterstaff of illumination then, is that possible without having to pay the 50% extra for combining two magic items?
Zathress 11-08-07, 11:52 AM	The staff of the woodlands is also +2 Near as I can tell there is no extra cost, Your not combing two magic items like say a belt of giant strength and a amulet of health. Your not combining two magic items, quarterstaffs can simply be enchanted in two ways as a weapon or as a charged item. If there was a +50% the staff of power would cost a lot more so would the staff of the woodlands.
PhaedrusXY 11-08-07, 12:08 PM	It is basically like enchanting a shield as both a weapon and a shield. The costs and effects are totally separate. I don't think you'd need to apply the x1.5 price modifier at all.
Zathress 11-08-07, 12:34 PM	For my FINAL act of proof we look at runestaffs from the magic item compendium. The Runestaff of Ethereal Action's price is 29,700gp *Check errata, YES they have magic item compendium errata now. The staff functions as a +1 ghost touch spell in addition to its spell abilities. I then duplicated the staff using the rules for creating new runestaffs. The spell casting part costs 21,400gp Which leaves exactly masterwork quarterstaff 8,300gp of +1 ghost touch Which gives us the item market price of 29,700gp. I back engineering a runestaff as they are far cheaper then normal staffs and would require less math and thus less chance for a hicup.