3.0 Enlarge [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.0 Enlarge [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Feldron
08-10-05, 10:29 PM Can 3.0 Enlarge increase your size form Medium to Large?

Can any one link me to the rule for this?
Kratch
08-10-05, 10:57 PM 3.0 Version does not increase your size catagory. 3.5 version on the other hand does.
Feldron
08-10-05, 11:50 PM are you sure because the spell says in 3.0 that it increases size up to 50% so if you where tall enough or so it would seem that it could increase you size neough to make you large but i didn't see any rules on this at all for 3.0
Feldron
08-10-05, 11:56 PM any know where there they have an actual ruling for enlarge 3.0
DungeonMaster
08-11-05, 10:50 AM I don't think there is one.
Generally apply what the spell states you should apply, the strength increase and the change in weight. Spells like animal growth and righteous might automatically increase your size to the next category while enlarge is more subjective.
A size category increase is a hefty advantage because it can give things like reach, +4 bonuses to opposed grapples, trips and similar mechanics.
My rule of thumb is to compare to existing monsters. For humans the ogre is the smallest "large" humanoid and if the enlarged person's stats fall within that range then I give them large category size.
tarkin
08-11-05, 10:57 AM In 3.0, the Sage officially ruled that Enlarge can NOT increase your size.

Keep in mind that 3.0 Enlarge was a very different spell.

One of the major differences was the fact that it was Enlarge, not Enlarge Person.

So it could work on any creature, not just a humanoid.

It also would work on Doors, which when they became enlarged, became stuck (think a tight wooden door built in the winter. In the hot summer, they expand, and get stuck).

Reduce was similar, making it VERY handy for "opening" coffins. Just reduce the top and the coffin opens without any person having to risk getting biten by the vampire that you just know is inside it.
Feldron
08-11-05, 06:11 PM In 3.0, the Sage officially ruled that Enlarge can NOT increase your size.

The Sage is not an offical source

Does anyone know if there is and Offical Ruling for 3.0 Enlarge
Vaalingrade Ashland
08-11-05, 08:23 PM The Sage is not an offical source
Unfortunately, he is.
tarkin
08-11-05, 08:27 PM The Sage is and clearly was an official Source for 3.0 stuff (Back then Dragon was publiched directly by WoTC and The Sage was Skip Williams). You raised some reasonable arguments about him not being official for current 3.5 stuff, but not for 3.0

There is no mention of it in the FAQ or the errata, which appear to be the only sources you will accept.

However, I have recently, in part due to things you wrote in the email, came to some new ideas about how I want to post.

So :

Strict players and Loose Players will rule that as per the clear wording and intent of the spell, The Spell can not in any way change your size category.

Power Gamers and "anything goes" people will say, if your character is tall enough and the caster high enough level that you can change your size. Note, if you combine the 50% and the size change, the benefits to the player are now better than most 2nd level spells. I would take it for example, over Bull Strength. (at least a bull strength without Empower)

How you play is upto you and your DM.
TheGogmagog
08-12-05, 01:03 AM As far as official, you can examine the size categories. While they did list specific heights that were breaking points, the general rule is that each doubling was a size increase. I didn't pull out my 3.0 phb, but that's how I remember it. That could have been skips reasoning.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Feldron 08-10-05, 10:29 PM	Can 3.0 Enlarge increase your size form Medium to Large? Can any one link me to the rule for this?
Kratch 08-10-05, 10:57 PM	3.0 Version does not increase your size catagory. 3.5 version on the other hand does.
Feldron 08-10-05, 11:50 PM	are you sure because the spell says in 3.0 that it increases size up to 50% so if you where tall enough or so it would seem that it could increase you size neough to make you large but i didn't see any rules on this at all for 3.0
Feldron 08-10-05, 11:56 PM	any know where there they have an actual ruling for enlarge 3.0
DungeonMaster 08-11-05, 10:50 AM	I don't think there is one. Generally apply what the spell states you should apply, the strength increase and the change in weight. Spells like animal growth and righteous might automatically increase your size to the next category while enlarge is more subjective. A size category increase is a hefty advantage because it can give things like reach, +4 bonuses to opposed grapples, trips and similar mechanics. My rule of thumb is to compare to existing monsters. For humans the ogre is the smallest "large" humanoid and if the enlarged person's stats fall within that range then I give them large category size.
tarkin 08-11-05, 10:57 AM	In 3.0, the Sage officially ruled that Enlarge can NOT increase your size. Keep in mind that 3.0 Enlarge was a very different spell. One of the major differences was the fact that it was Enlarge, not Enlarge Person. So it could work on any creature, not just a humanoid. It also would work on Doors, which when they became enlarged, became stuck (think a tight wooden door built in the winter. In the hot summer, they expand, and get stuck). Reduce was similar, making it VERY handy for "opening" coffins. Just reduce the top and the coffin opens without any person having to risk getting biten by the vampire that you just know is inside it.
Feldron 08-11-05, 06:11 PM	In 3.0, the Sage officially ruled that Enlarge can NOT increase your size. The Sage is not an offical source Does anyone know if there is and Offical Ruling for 3.0 Enlarge
Vaalingrade Ashland 08-11-05, 08:23 PM	The Sage is not an offical source Unfortunately, he is.
tarkin 08-11-05, 08:27 PM	The Sage is and clearly was an official Source for 3.0 stuff (Back then Dragon was publiched directly by WoTC and The Sage was Skip Williams). You raised some reasonable arguments about him not being official for current 3.5 stuff, but not for 3.0 There is no mention of it in the FAQ or the errata, which appear to be the only sources you will accept. However, I have recently, in part due to things you wrote in the email, came to some new ideas about how I want to post. So : Strict players and Loose Players will rule that as per the clear wording and intent of the spell, The Spell can not in any way change your size category. Power Gamers and "anything goes" people will say, if your character is tall enough and the caster high enough level that you can change your size. Note, if you combine the 50% and the size change, the benefits to the player are now better than most 2nd level spells. I would take it for example, over Bull Strength. (at least a bull strength without Empower) How you play is upto you and your DM.
TheGogmagog 08-12-05, 01:03 AM	As far as official, you can examine the size categories. While they did list specific heights that were breaking points, the general rule is that each doubling was a size increase. I didn't pull out my 3.0 phb, but that's how I remember it. That could have been skips reasoning.