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Omaha_beach 11-26-03, 05:38 PM	How much does a large mithral shield weight in the 3.0 system and where in the books does it state this? Regards Chrash
Dalaeck 11-26-03, 05:49 PM	An old wizard offers his help p.242 DMG. Mithral armor and shields weigh half as much as the metal equivalent. Armor is considered a category lower in terms of type. Thus mithral full-plate is a "medium" armor as opposed to "heavy". This opens up many pathways in the rules, for instance: barbarians can use full plate armor, you can spring-attack in mithral full plate. Mithral has additional effects in terms of max dex, armor check and casting failure. Mithral is very powerful and so should be correspondingly very rare. It is the metal of kings and queens, never to be sold - it is only won in combat or given as a gift for some great deed. Many dwarves have died in the covetous search for mithral. It is a warrior's dream.
d_nychus 11-26-03, 05:52 PM	Wow, actually got a rules question right. I'm impressed.
Omaha_beach 11-26-03, 06:00 PM	Sorry to rain on your parade. Now notice what I said about the 3.0 rules? In the DMG, page 242, it does NOT say that shields weigh half ...it only says nonarmor and nonshields . So what does armor and shields weigh? A mithral shirt weighs 10 pounds in comparison to a chain shirt (25 pounds) which is less than half...what I need is the real rules and not someone quoting something wrong from the DMG...because what you qouted is NOT what it says in my DMG. But thanx for the try cheers chrash
Omaha_beach 11-26-03, 06:09 PM	To clarify: What does a Mithral Large shield weigh exactly? How many pounds? and where in the books (any books or SRD) does it state this? Exact references please Yours truly Chrash
Dalaeck 11-26-03, 06:54 PM	Dwarven plate weighs 25 pounds, full plate normaly weighs 50 pounds. The mithral shirt seems to be the exception not the rule, even then they say "extremely light" in the descriptor. Indeed a few lines later on p.243 the description continues as: "note that a items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected. (a longsword is affected, while a spear is not)." Just because it says "non-armor and non-shield items ... weigh half as much as the same item made from other metals" does not specifically exclude armors and shields made from mithral as weighing half as much. To say "armors and sheilds weigh half as much" then "non-armors and non-shields weigh half as much" are not logically contradicting sentences. As for getting you the exact line "armors and sheilds weigh half as much", off the top of my head I can't find it. Clearly from the two examples it is safe to assume that it weighs half as much or less.
Edymnion 11-26-03, 07:19 PM	Originally posted by Omaha_beach To clarify: What does a Mithral Large shield weigh exactly? How many pounds? and where in the books (any books or SRD) does it state this? Exact references please 3.0 Player's Handbook, page 104, the Armor table. Shield, large steel. It weighs 15 pounds. Make it out of mithril, it weighs half that, for 7.5 pounds, or 8 pounds if you want to round it.
da chicken 11-26-03, 08:37 PM	7 pounds. In D&D, you always round fractions down.
Edymnion 11-27-03, 01:30 AM	Originally posted by da chicken 7 pounds. In D&D, you always round fractions down. Eh, I never could remember if 3e wanted you to round up or down.
quaiven 11-27-03, 07:20 PM	no no no...you round up if it's good for you and down if it's bad for you...that's how it works in DnD :smirk: So DM's must always round down when rolling damage.