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Harmor 09-10-04, 09:34 AM	1. Can a wizard, who has the Brew Potion feat, be helped by a cleric to make Cure Light potions? 2. How about a Scroll of Cure Light?
Kyuketsukiouji 09-10-04, 09:39 AM	Yes.
Emir 09-10-04, 10:06 AM	Now this is a interesting question ! I too am interested in the answer. But where on earth does it state that the Cleric could help the Wizard make a Cure Light Wounds? I mean RAW (rules as written)?
Harmor 09-10-04, 10:32 AM	Yes.Yes to both?
Silverglass 09-10-04, 10:41 AM	In the magic items section. SRD • Prerequisites: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind. The prerequisites for creation of an item are given immediately following the item’s caster level. A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite. It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary. If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item. Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat). When two spells at the end of a list are separated by “or,” one of those spells is required in addition to every other spell mentioned prior to the last two. I've highlighted the most relevant points which show that the creator (the person who pays the xp and whose caster level is used) does not have to supply all the prerequisites and that a spell pre-requisite can be supplied by anyone who can prepare the spell. So the Wizard can be the creator and supply Brew Potion while the Cleric supplies the Cure Light Wounds. An important point is that while a wizard and a cleric working together can create a scroll of cure light wounds the wizard still cannot cast the spell from the scroll - its still a spell completion item so requires that the spell be in the users spell lists.
Harmor 09-10-04, 11:25 AM	Thanks...now all I need to do is find it in the SRD or give me a page number in the 3.5 PHB/DMG please :)
Zherog 09-10-04, 11:56 AM	It's in the Magic Item Creation section of both the DMG and the SRD. I dont have my books handy to give you a page number, though.
MystErikEry 09-11-04, 02:18 PM	I just felt I should note that a Cure Light Wounds Scroll crafted by a Wizard and a Cleric working together cannot be used by either of them ordinarily. If the Wizard uses his Scribe Scroll feat, the scroll will be an Arcane Scroll, as per how arcane/dinvine scrolls are created. Thus, a Cleric cannot use the Scroll because it is Arcane (Although Clerics with the Magic Domain can get around this, a little). The Wizard cannot use the Scroll because Cure Light Wounds isn't on his spell list. However, a BARD could use the Scroll. Bards are Arcane Spellcasters, and thus can use Arcane Scrolls, and Cure Light Wounds is also on the Bard spell list.
Gnarl 09-12-04, 06:08 AM	If I remeber right, for a character to use a scroll, all you need is to have that spell on your spell list. I may be wrong on the exact phrasing. Why couldn't a cleric use a bard's scroll of cure light wounds ?
d_nychus 09-12-04, 09:05 AM	Because it is an arcane spell.
Harmor 09-12-04, 12:56 PM	Because it is an arcane spell.d_nychus is correct (from SRD (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/magicitem/Scroll_Basics.html)):Activate the Spell: Activating a scroll requires reading the spell from the scroll. The character must be able to see and read the writing on the scroll. Activating a scroll spell requires no material components or focus. (The creator of the scroll provided these when scribing the scroll.) Note that some spells are effective only when cast on an item or items. In such a case, the scroll user must provide the item when activating the spell. Activating a scroll spell is subject to disruption just as casting a normally prepared spell would be. Using a scroll is like casting a spell for purposes of arcane spell failure chance. To have any chance of activating a scroll spell, the scroll user must meet the following requirements. The spell must be of the correct type (arcane or divine). Arcane spellcasters (wizards, sorcerers, and bards) can only use scrolls containing arcane spells, and divine spellcasters (clerics, druids, paladins, and rangers) can only use scrolls containing divine spells. (The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)[/u][/b] The user must have the spell on his or her class list. The user must have the requisite ability score. If the user meets all the requirements noted above, and her caster level is at least equal to the spell’s caster level, she can automatically activate the spell without a check. If she meets all three requirements but her own caster level is lower than the scroll spell’s caster level, then she has to make a caster level check (DC = scroll’s caster level + 1) to cast the spell successfully. If she fails, she must make a DC 5 Wisdom check to avoid a mishap (see Scroll Mishaps, below). A natural roll of 1 always fails, whatever the modifiers.
Hypersmurf 09-12-04, 07:55 PM	If the Wizard uses his Scribe Scroll feat, the scroll will be an Arcane Scroll, as per how arcane/dinvine scrolls are created. I've recently changed my position on this. "The creator" does not refer to the person with the Scribe Scroll feat; it refers to the person who supplies the XP and whose caster level is used. If we have a 1st level cleric and a 5th level wizard cooperating to create a Scroll of Cure Light Wounds, 'the creator' is the person who supplies the XP. They are also the person who determines the caster level. If the cleric supplies the XP, it will be a caster-level-1 divine scroll. If the wizard supplies the XP, it will be an arcane scroll, with a caster level between 1 and 5 (as the wizard decides, and affecting the cost of the scroll). -Hyp.
MystErikEry 09-12-04, 09:58 PM	I'd say that if the Cleric is the "creater" of the Scroll (thus making it a Divine Scroll), the Cleric would have to have the Scribe Scroll feat. Thus, you'd never need the Wizard in the first place.... Now, if you had a 19 Wiz/1 Clr, and a 20 Clr, and you wanted to scribe a 9th level Clr spell, but the 20 Clr doesn't have Scribe Scroll and the Wiz/Clr does, you can always scribe the scroll just fine - the 1 Clr has the Scribe Scroll Feat, and thus can make Divine Scrolls, and the 20 Clr can cast the spell each day required. However, the 1 Clr would be the one to pay the XP cost. I wouldn't say that you can count as an item's creator without the appropriate feat. "An item creation feat lets a spellcaster create a magic item of a certain type." I'd say that if a feat lets someone create a magic item, they'd have to be the creator. Otherwise, the feat would say "An item creation feat can be used in the making of magic items of a certain time." or something similar - it isn't just used, it lets the spellcaster make the items. If they're making the items themselves, they're the creator. The useful thing is that they don't need to provide all of the spells they need, necessarily, since that's not part of making the item itself (and setting up the necessary tools to bind the magic into the item) - it's just casting a certain spell in a certain part of the item each day the item is being made, in order to capture that spell's energy properly. :P
Hypersmurf 09-12-04, 10:13 PM	I'd say that if the Cleric is the "creater" of the Scroll (thus making it a Divine Scroll), the Cleric would have to have the Scribe Scroll feat. Scribe Scroll is a prerequisite for creating a scroll. It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary. Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat). It's not necessary for the creator to have all of the prerequisites. An item creation feat lets a spellcaster create a magic item of a certain type. Yup. But it doesn't have to be him that has the feat. The feat lets him create the magic item... even if it's a feat supplied by someone cooperating in the creation. -Hyp.