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Harmor 08-11-04, 12:03 AM	Can you take a Bag of Holding or Portable Hole into a Rope Trick (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Rope_Trick.html)? Notice that a Bag of Holding uses the spell secret chest (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Secret_Chest.html) and that a Portable Hole uses the spell plane shift (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Plane_Shift.html). For reference from the SRD: Rope Trick Transmutation Level: Sor/Wiz 2 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Touch Target: One touched piece of rope from 5 ft. to 30 ft. long Duration: 1 hour/level (D) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No When this spell is cast upon a piece of rope from 5 to 30 feet long, one end of the rope rises into the air until the whole rope hangs perpendicular to the ground, as if affixed at the upper end. The upper end is, in fact, fastened to an extradimensional space that is outside the multiverse of extradimensional spaces (“planes”). Creatures in the extradimensional space are hidden, beyond the reach of spells (including divinations), unless those spells work across planes. The space holds as many as eight creatures (of any size). Creatures in the space can pull the rope up into the space, making the rope “disappear.” In that case, the rope counts as one of the eight creatures that can fit in the space. The rope can support up to 16,000 pounds. A weight greater than that can pull the rope free. Spells cannot be cast across the extradimensional interface, nor can area effects cross it. Those in the extradimensional space can see out of it as if a 3-foot-by- 5-foot window were centered on the rope. The window is present on the Material Plane, but it’s invisible, and even creatures that can see the window can’t see through it. Anything inside the extradimensional space drops out when the spell ends. The rope can be climbed by only one person at a time. The rope trick spell enables climbers to reach a normal place if they do not climb all the way to the extradimensional space. Note: It is hazardous to create an extradimensional space within an existing extradimensional space or to take an extradimensional space into an existing one. Material Component: Powdered corn extract and a twisted loop of parchment. -- Bag of Holding: This appears to be a common cloth sack about 2 feet by 4 feet in size. The bag of holding opens into a nondimensional space: Its inside is larger than its outside dimensions. Regardless of what is put into the bag, it weighs a fixed amount. This weight, and the limits in weight and volume of the bag’s contents, depend on the bag’s type, as shown on the table below.Bag Bag Weight Contents Weight Limit Contents Volume Limit Market Price Type I 15 lb. 250 lb. 30 cu. ft. 2,500 gp Type II 25 lb. 500 lb. 70 cu. ft. 5,000 gp Type III 35 lb. 1,000 lb. 150 cu. ft. 7,400 gp Type IV 60 lb. 1,500 lb. 250 cu. ft. 10,000 gpIf the bag is overloaded, or if sharp objects pierce it (from inside or outside), the bag ruptures and is ruined. All contents are lost forever. If a bag of holding is turned inside out, its contents spill out, unharmed, but the bag must be put right before it can be used again. If living creatures are placed within the bag, they can survive for up to 10 minutes, after which time they suffocate. Retrieving a specific item from a bag of holding is a move action—unless the bag contains more than an ordinary backpack would hold, in which case retrieving a specific item is a full-round action. If a bag of holding is placed within a portable hole a rift to the Astral Plane is torn in the space: Bag and hole alike are sucked into the void and forever lost. If a portable hole is placed within a bag of holding, it opens a gate to the Astral Plane: The hole, the bag, and any creatures within a 10-foot radius are drawn there, destroying the portable hole and bag of holding in the process. Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Secret_Chest.html). -- Portable Hole: A portable hole is a circle of cloth spun from the webs of a phase spider interwoven with strands of ether and beams of starlight. When opened fully, a portable hole is 6 feet in diameter, but it can be folded up to be as small as a pocket handkerchief. When spread upon any surface, it causes an extradimensional space 10 feet deep to come into being. This hole can be picked up from inside or out by simply taking hold of the edges of the cloth and folding it up. Either way, the entrance disappears, but anything inside the hole remains. The only air in the hole is that which enters when the hole is opened. It contains enough air to supply one Medium creature or two Small creatures for 10 minutes. The cloth does not accumulate weight even if its hole is filled. Each portable hole opens on its own particular nondimensional space. If a bag of holding is placed within a portable hole, a rift to the Astral Plane is torn in that place. Both the bag and the cloth are sucked into the void and forever lost. If a portable hole is placed within a bag of holding, it opens a gate to the Astral Plane. The hole, the bag, and any creatures within a 10-foot radius are drawn there, the portable hole and bag of holding being destroyed in the process. Moderate conjuration; CL 12th; Craft Wondrous Item, plane shift (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Plane_Shift.html); Price 20,000 gp.
Harmor 08-11-04, 12:08 AM	Furthermore, what about a Handy Haversack? Notice that a Handy Haversack uses secret chest (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Secret_Chest.html). From SRD: Handy Haversack: A backpack of this sort appears to be well made, well used, and quite ordinary. It is constructed of finely tanned leather, and the straps have brass hardware and buckles. It has two side pouches, each of which appears large enough to hold about a quart of material. In fact, each is like a bag of holding and can actually hold material of as much as 2 cubic feet in volume or 20 pounds in weight. The large central portion of the pack can contain up to 8 cubic feet or 80 pounds of material. Even when so filled, the backpack always weighs only 5 pounds. While such storage is useful enough, the pack has an even greater power in addition. When the wearer reaches into it for a specific item, that item is always on top. Thus, no digging around and fumbling is ever necessary to find what a haversack contains. Retrieving any specific item from a haversack is a move action, but it does not provoke the attacks of opportunity that retrieving a stored item usually does. Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Wondrous Item, secret chest (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/theraven_stephenh/spells/Secret_Chest.html); Price 2,000 gp;Weight 5 lb.
incubus 08-11-04, 12:48 AM	Officially, nothing unusual happens (that's from the 3.0 FAQ, which is the only real reference). What actually happens is entirely up to your DM.
Filibik 08-11-04, 01:01 AM	I should learn to read first... :)
Seeker95 08-11-04, 11:42 AM	Officially? Nothing. My game? Boom!