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Scarecrow_23 05-17-05, 09:31 PM	Does anyone know of any way for an arcane caster to be able to memorize spells with less than 8 hours of uninterrupted rest beforehand?
steventirey1985 05-17-05, 09:43 PM	AFAIK, there is no way to reduce that time. Unless there is something in one of the newer books that have come out that can do it, but I havn't read them to know.
Yade 05-17-05, 09:51 PM	If the caster wants to have spells ready without the 8 hours of sleep he can take the feat "Spell Mastery" which allows him to take 1 spell per INT modifier (for wizards CHA for sorcerers) and not have to prepare that spell everyday. This will eliminate the need for sleep and study, the material components are still required. If you want to be a caster as an ELF you can utilise their reverie which allows them to enter a meditative state for 4 hours and gain all the benefits from a full night of sleep. Finally you might create a feat called "quick Preparation" or something of the sort which allows the caster to get his spells ready without having to sleep or take so long. Sacrificing a feat slot for this kind of ability is a good trade off. But even with this fet you must give it a time limit, so that they are not attempting to use it in 1 round of combat and get all of their spells back.
Seeker95 05-17-05, 10:13 PM	Find a pushover DM. There's plenty of them out there. :P
Seeker95 05-17-05, 10:14 PM	If you want to be a caster as an ELF you can utilise their reverie which allows them to enter a meditative state for 4 hours and gain all the benefits from a full night of sleep.Even an elf wizard requires 8 hours of rest to prepare spells.
steventirey1985 05-17-05, 10:21 PM	If the caster wants to have spells ready without the 8 hours of sleep he can take the feat "Spell Mastery" which allows him to take 1 spell per INT modifier (for wizards CHA for sorcerers) and not have to prepare that spell everyday. This will eliminate the need for sleep and study, the material components are still required. Spell Mastery, If i remember correctly, dosn't do that. It allows a wizard to prepare the spells chosen when taking the feat without his/her spellbook. But, I could be wrong. Edit: But I'm not, as I just checked the SRD to make sure. If you want to be a caster as an ELF you can utilise their reverie which allows them to enter a meditative state for 4 hours and gain all the benefits from a full night of sleep. Also dosn't work. The spellcaster must still rest for 8 hours before preparing spells. Resting dosn't always mean sleeping. Taking it easy for 8 hours will allow spellcasters to regain spells. Elves could go into reverie for 4 hours, then would have to spend the other 4 hours not doing anything strenorous (sp?) to regin their spells. Finally you might create a feat called "quick Preparation" or something of the sort which allows the caster to get his spells ready without having to sleep or take so long. Sacrificing a feat slot for this kind of ability is a good trade off. But even with this fet you must give it a time limit, so that they are not attempting to use it in 1 round of combat and get all of their spells back. This I have no real problem with. Might work, will have to try it in my games.
djinni 05-17-05, 10:57 PM	But even with this fet you must give it a time limit, so that they are not attempting to use it in 1 round of combat and get all of their spells back. any spells you cast within the past 8 hours you cannot use or prepare for the next day, basically if you give them this feat make them wait that particular 8 hours it'll let them have spells 3 times a day instead of once.
Colmarr 05-17-05, 11:49 PM	2 things worthy of note: Sustenance: This ring continually provides its wearer with life-sustaining nourishment. The ring also refreshes the body and mind, so that its wearer needs only sleep 2 hours per day to gain the benefit of 8 hours of sleep. The ring must be worn for a full week before it begins to work. If it is removed, the owner must wear it for another week to reattune it to himself.Faint conjuration; CL 5th; Forge Ring, create food and water; Price 2,500 gp. 2 hours sleep counts as 8 for someone who has a Ring of Sustenance. However, a caster cannot fill slots that have been used in the 8 hours before preparing their spells. So, you still need 8 hours of non-casting time, but only 2 of them need to be spent sleeping. When preparing spells for the day, a wizard can leave some of these spell slots open. Later during that day, she can repeat the preparation process as often as she likes, time and circumstances permitting. During these extra sessions of preparation, the wizard can fill these unused spell slots. She cannot, however, abandon a previously prepared spell to replace it with another one or fill a slot that is empty because she has cast a spell in the meantime. That sort of preparation requires a mind fresh from rest. Like the first session of the day, this preparation takes at least 15 minutes, and it takes longer if the wizard prepares more than one-quarter of her spells. So by leaving spell slots open, you have the opportunity to later fill them. You still need the 8 hours rest before your initial preparation, but by leaving some slots empty, you can later fill them at short notice. This is best used for utility spells and divinations.
ehrin 05-18-05, 01:09 AM	the ring of sustenance does NOT lessen the 8 hour period required to prepare for spells. It simply means you do not need to sleep for 8 hours to get the benefits of rest. You sleep for 2, then rest quietly for 6, doing simple easy mundane resting type things that your DM allows (meditation, thought, mantras, etc.).
Moon-Lancer 05-18-05, 01:47 AM	as its written, I could see it working ether way. This is a case were the rules stop and the dm begins. I find that divine casters better for elves becuse you can really take advantage of the extra 4 hours.
Yade 05-18-05, 02:20 AM	Maybe the best limitation for a feat that allows you to skip the 8 hours of rest is a cumulative 5% spell failure rate for each consecutive day that you use it starting with 5% on the first day. eg: Jo the battle mage fights all day and needs to be ready to cast in the middle of the night so he fast prepares his spells. He is now under the burden of a 5% spell failure rate due to exhaustion and the quick prep. If he is unable to rest again he will now suffer a 10% spell failure rate etc...
spyderfreek 05-18-05, 02:46 AM	Maybe the best limitation for a feat that allows you to skip the 8 hours of rest is a cumulative 5% spell failure rate for each consecutive day that you use it starting with 5% on the first day. eg: Jo the battle mage fights all day and needs to be ready to cast in the middle of the night so he fast prepares his spells. He is now under the burden of a 5% spell failure rate due to exhaustion and the quick prep. If he is unable to rest again he will now suffer a 10% spell failure rate etc... I like this idea, and by taking the feat multiple times, you can stave off the exhaustion by an extra 8hours
Mellowship Slinky 05-18-05, 03:00 AM	How about something like "Dedicated Spellcaster" that halves the amount of time a caster has to rest before he can prepare spells, can be taken more than once, but doesn't remove the once per day limitation on preparing spells.
Colmarr 05-18-05, 04:28 AM	Ehrin, the ring of sustenance grants its wearer the benefits of 8 hours sleep at the cost of two hours sleep. I would have though it was self-evident that one of the benefits of 8 hours sleep was the ability to prepare spells. If you think my interpretation of the rules is incorrect, feel free to point out the sources I have missed/misconstrued. When doing so however, bear in mind that I have already indicated that a wizard cannot prepare a spell in a slot that has been used during the 8 hours prior to preparing spells. The ring of sustenance clearly doesn't affect that.
kSquared 05-18-05, 07:17 AM	If you think my interpretation of the rules is incorrect, feel free to point out the sources I have missed/misconstrued. Look at elves, for instance. Elves require only 4 hours of sleep to gain the benefits of 8 hours of sleep. But an elf wizard still requires 8 hours of rest, not 4 hours. Analogously, A ring of sustenance provides the benefits of 8 hours of sleep in 2 hours. But a wizard wearing a ring of sustenance still requires 8 hours of rest to prepare spells. From the SRD: If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, she still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells. Ergo, no dice on the ring of sustenance.
RaspK FOG 05-18-05, 08:22 AM	To reiterate: An arcane spellcaster must under all circumstances have 8 hours of calm rest before they can regain their used spell slots; interruption while resting increases the resting time by 1 hour (more information in the explanation of rules as found in the main webpage of the company - see the archives). Even if a creature need not sleep 8 hours per day so as to keep top physical condition (e.g. not suffer form fatigue), it must still rest quietly for a total of 8 hours of rest as explained above.
Scarecrow_23 05-18-05, 08:33 AM	Ehrin, the ring of sustenance grants its wearer the benefits of 8 hours sleep at the cost of two hours sleep. I would have though it was self-evident that one of the benefits of 8 hours sleep was the ability to prepare spells. If you think my interpretation of the rules is incorrect, feel free to point out the sources I have missed/misconstrued. It is, unfortunately, spelled out rather explicitly in the 3.5 FAQ ( http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a ) that wearing a Ring of Sustenance does not obviate the need for 8 hours of rest before preparing spells :(
Nom 05-18-05, 08:42 AM	Note that regardless of which way you rule the ring of sustenance, the 1/day and "not within 8 hours" restrictions still apply (these are not based on rest in any way). So all the wizard really gains is that he can be active for 6 hours (eg guard duty) and then rest for 2 and still prepare. It's not a big deal.
DisposableHero_ 05-18-05, 09:26 AM	Well, it's only 132000 gp market price for a use activated item that casts mordenkainen's lucubration, which for a wizard would let him regain any 5th level or lower spells that he had used in the past 24 hours without resorting to 8 hours of rest. Only works if you want the same spells every day, but since you could effectively have an unlimited number of each spell you prepare of 5th level or lower, you can probably do pretty well with that.
ehrin 05-18-05, 09:28 AM	Thank you Ksquared and all for coming to the defense. The players handbook explicitly states that even if you don't need sleep, you must still spend 8 hours in preparation for spell renewal. The ring of sustenance allows you to simply do something else with that extra time rather than sleep.
pres_man 05-18-05, 01:23 PM	Note that regardless of which way you rule the ring of sustenance, the 1/day and "not within 8 hours" restrictions still apply (these are not based on rest in any way). So all the wizard really gains is that he can be active for 6 hours (eg guard duty) and then rest for 2 and still prepare. It's not a big deal. Actually he can't do anything during those 6 hours of rest time. Rest: To prepare her daily spells, a wizard must first sleep for 8 hours. The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but she must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. If her rest is interrupted, each interruption adds 1 hour to the total amount of time she has to rest in order to clear her mind, and she must have at least 1 hour of uninterrupted rest immediately prior to preparing her spells. If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, she still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells.
ehrin 05-18-05, 06:12 PM	One of my top two abuses of the RAW: DM: While the mage rests in preparation for his spell, a fly lands on his nose. Mage: I shoo it away DM: Okay, you start over on your 8 hours! Mage: What? No way!! DM: Rules as written. "must refrain from movement". You moved. But don't worry, breathing counted as movement too. :eek:
mvincent 05-18-05, 06:43 PM	One of my top two abuses of the RAW: DM: While the mage rests in preparation for his spell, a fly lands on his nose. Mage: I shoo it away DM: Okay, you start over on your 8 hours! Mage: What? No way!! DM: Rules as written. "must refrain from movement". You moved. But don't worry, breathing counted as movement too.This Mage shoulda been nailed for engaging in conversation as well.:devil: "Anything you say, your PC says as well"
Rulebook 05-18-05, 06:47 PM	there is no way around this requirement. think of it as Mystic Refueling Time. it'd be like saying "I want to drive my car across country, but i dont have any gas in my tank. Is there any way i can drive my car without gas?" if you get stuck without proper rest time, you better hope you have good scrolls and wands or such to hold you through the day. And if you dont, you deserve to get chewed to pieces, for not being prepared.
The Simbul 05-18-05, 08:30 PM	Well, it's only 132000 gp market price for a use activated item that casts mordenkainen's lucubration, which for a wizard would let him regain any 5th level or lower spells that he had used in the past 24 hours without resorting to 8 hours of rest. Only works if you want the same spells every day, but since you could effectively have an unlimited number of each spell you prepare of 5th level or lower, you can probably do pretty well with that.Price calculation tables are guidelines, and the CL x SL formula is the last method you are supposed to look at when pricing an item, not the first. Such a Magic item would not use the SL X CL X 2000gp formula. Magic Items that allow you to recall a previous cast spells already exist, they are called Pearls of Power. Such an item would use the same formula used to grant a bonus spell, and you would have to pay for each bonus spell individually, which in turn would impose a limit of uses per day.
JoeX 05-19-05, 02:41 AM	Actually he can't do anything during those 6 hours of rest time. Keeping Watch is light activity and can be done.
spyderfreek 05-19-05, 04:39 AM	Keeping Watch is light activity and can be done. Rest: To prepare her daily spells, a wizard must first sleep for 8 hours. The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but she must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. If her rest is interrupted, each interruption adds 1 hour to the total amount of time she has to rest in order to clear her mind, and she must have at least 1 hour of uninterrupted rest immediately prior to preparing her spells. If the character does not need to sleep for some reason, she still must have 8 hours of restful calm before preparing any spells. In order to keep watch you need to be able to warn the party... which would be considered conversation... so you would lose the rest.
ehrin 05-19-05, 09:33 AM	If I am on watch, and something important enough happens that I shout to my companions, I imagine my rest is shot (or about to be) because of the incoming situation. In general, even if the mage isn't on watch, most encounters during rest is going to require they break their ritual, and react. On the same note, "resting" mages make lousy guards. RAW, they must sit perfectly still, motionless, never speak (as noted by Spyder), and heck, how hard can it be to sneak up on a guy who can't even move his head? What's the AC of a resting Mage? No dex, for sure... :rolleyes:
RaspK FOG 05-19-05, 09:53 AM	From what material we have, I don't think movement here involves simple motion; instead, it refers to any action which relies on your speed stats... However, a mage can't rest and keep watch at the same time: doesn't Spotting or Listening count as skill use? :confused:
DisposableHero_ 05-19-05, 10:09 AM	Price calculation tables are guidelines, and the CL x SL formula is the last method you are supposed to look at when pricing an item, not the first. Such a Magic item would not use the SL X CL X 2000gp formula. Magic Items that allow you to recall a previous cast spells already exist, they are called Pearls of Power. Such an item would use the same formula used to grant a bonus spell, and you would have to pay for each bonus spell individually, which in turn would impose a limit of uses per day. First and formost, a for a use activated item that produces a spell effect that is the most expensive method of pricing given in the guidelines, why would it be the last method I use for pricing? Would you rather I tried the command word activated version that for some inexplicable reasons costs 13200 gp less? The item in question is not granting a bonus spell, it is mimicing a spell effect and would use the guidelines as I mentioned. It is significantly more restrictive than a pearl of power despite a similar function. A pearl of power can allows spells above level 5, pearls of power function for any caster who prepares spells not exclusively wizards, and pearls of power do not state you are limited to a spell cast in the last 24 hours. Now you could argue item spacing limitations and such which could easily boost the price of item into epic levels (which admittedly it should be). The point however is that such an item could exist if the DM allows it (as with any magic item that is implimentable by those guidelines but not presented in the DMG) and it meets some of what the OP was asking for. Furthremore, if not using it extensively, what is to say a staff of Mordenkainen's Lucubration (a mere 49500 gp value) wouldn't also serve the same function. I never said that wasn't subject to DM approval, but it is an option with precedent in the rules.
DDogwood 05-19-05, 10:28 AM	From what material we have, I don't think movement here involves simple motion; instead, it refers to any action which relies on your speed stats... Likewise, I don't think "conversation" means "any speech at all", rather it means "carrying on a discussion which requires your attention". So saying "Go away, I'm meditating" wouldn't break your rest. However, a mage can't rest and keep watch at the same time: doesn't Spotting or Listening count as skill use? :confused: Mages are great at keeping watch. Alarm and Mordenkainen's Faithful Hound are fantastic for keeping watch. Rope Trick, Leomund's Tiny Hut, Invisibility Sphere, Mordenkainen's Mansion and other spells can even eliminate the need for having someone keep watch at all.
TheGogmagog 05-19-05, 01:04 PM	Mages are great at keeping watch. Alarm and Mordenkainen's Faithful Hound are fantastic for keeping watch. Rope Trick, Leomund's Tiny Hut, Invisibility Sphere, Mordenkainen's Mansion and other spells can even eliminate the need for having someone keep watch at all. That's not keeping watch, that's eliminating the need for keeping watch.It also requires casting a spell so don't do it between your ROS 2 hours sleep and 6 hours rest, or elven 4 hours sleep 4 hours rest. Pricing of the mords lube item aside, I really like the idea. As long as this isn't a favorite tactic of your DM, a few scrolls should suffice. Worst case make a staff.
RaspK FOG 05-19-05, 06:35 PM	Likewise, I don't think "conversation" means "any speech at all", rather it means "carrying on a discussion which requires your attention". So saying "Go away, I'm meditating" wouldn't break your rest.I wanted to point that out too, but I am glad someone else noticed it while I didn't; ;)
mvincent 05-19-05, 07:57 PM	However, a mage can't rest and keep watch at the same time: doesn't Spotting or Listening count as skill use? Well then he'd never get his spells back because: "A sleeping character may make Listen checks at a –10 penalty" :D
The Simbul 05-20-05, 12:44 AM	First and formost, a for a use activated item that produces a spell effect that is the most expensive method of pricing given in the guidelines, why would it be the last method I use for pricing? Would you rather I tried the command word activated version that for some inexplicable reasons costs 13200 gp less? The item in question is not granting a bonus spell, it is mimicing a spell effect and would use the guidelines as I mentioned. Ring of Invisibility is a command word activated item that emulates a 2nd level spell three times per day at a caster level of 3, yet it is NOT priced using the SL x CL method. Why? Because Invisibility is an exceptionally useful effect, and when the price calculation methods result in an item that is more useful than what is paid for, then it should not have it's price adjudicated by such an exploitable system.. By your logic I could have a Ring of continuous True Strike (+20 insight bonus to all attacks) for 2,000 gold pieces. The Magic price tables are not meant to be used that way, and an item that gives a character unlimited spell slots per day IS a broken item, and the existance of one in a campaign is the result of foolish DM or player t clever for the DM to handle.It is significantly more restrictive than a pearl of power despite a similar function.Pearl of Power is used once per day, your magic item is continuous. I think the "restrictions" are easily overlooked in light of the egregious abuseability of the effect.pearls of power function for any caster who prepares spells not exclusively wizards, and pearls of power do not state you are limited to a spell cast in the last 24 hours.A Magic item that granted the continuous effects of Mordenkainen;s Lucubration would function for any spellcaster who prepares spells. You only need to be a Wizard to cast the spell or activate it from a spell completetion or spell trigger magic item. There is nothing in it's actual effects that requires you to be a wizard to benefit from them. The point however is that such an item could exist if the DM allows it (as with any magic item that is implimentable by those guidelines but not presented in the DMG) and it meets some of what the OP was asking for.If the DM was inexperienced, didnt care for ECL equipment balance, or lets the players walk all over him.Furthermore, if not using it extensively, what is to say a staff of Mordenkainen's Lucubration (a mere 49500 gp value) wouldn't also serve the same function.A spell trigger item requires a standard action to activate it, a continuous magic item does not. In addition, such an item is more valuable than any other magic item that carries a spell of a similar level, which is enough to place it outside of the normal pricing guidelines. I never said that wasn't subject to DM approval, but it is an option with precedent in the rules.The only precedent in the rules for it is with a Pearl of Power, and with it the rules for items that grant bonus spells or otherwise allow you to gain an extra spell or extra casting of a spell per day (SL squared X 1000gp per extra spell). If an existing item grants a similar effect to a spell, then it's pricing methods should supercede method of using pricing tables for a continuous magical effect. Why make a Bracers of Armor +4 when a continuous Mage Armor item is exponentially cheaper? Because the pricing guidelines are not meant to be used to grant continuous spell effects when existing magic items exist for the same purpose of the given spell effect....and actually have a balanced market price for their benefits.
DisposableHero_ 05-20-05, 10:49 AM	Look, Simbul, it was a suggestion, one I considered for all of 3 seconds. It is not continuous, it is use activated, as it would not be impossible to make a continuous item with for a spell with an instantaneous or special or until discharged duration, they simply don't work. You could not have a continuous ring of true strike, merely a use activated one, which would cost you a standard action every time you activated it. Thus it would take 2 round to gain the bonus and make an attack, no matter what level you were. The price I quoted is more than 5 times the cost of a pearl of power capable of granting the same level spells. To balance this it should state somewhere in the DMG (I don't think it does but correct me if I'm wrong) that a use activated item must have either a limited number of charges, or a number of charges per day, and use the price adjustments indicated there. If I've missed where it says that I'm sorry. If that is the case, than my price is significantly more expensive than yours (a 1 per day mordenkainen's lucubration would cost 6x11x2000/5 = 26400 gp, versus 5x5x1000 = 25000 gp for a 5th level pearl of power, 5/day ML item 132000 gp, 5 pearls of power 5th 125000 gp). Regardless of how stupidly broken it might be (and it is) it is as legitimate as any other custom magic item, and it is a legitimate answer to the original posters question. If the DM won't allow the use activated (and he shouldn't) then make a staff, or some scrolls, or go buy pearls of power. You are right that it would work for any prepared caster, but only a wizard could create it.
DisposableHero_ 05-20-05, 11:12 AM	Ring of Invisibility is a command word activated item that emulates a 2nd level spell three times per day at a caster level of 3, yet it is NOT priced using the SL x CL method. Why? Because Invisibility is an exceptionally useful effect, and when the price calculation methods result in an item that is more useful than what is paid for, then it should not have it's price adjudicated by such an exploitable system. Have a look at the following: Invisibility: By activating this simple silver ring, the wearer can benefit from invisibility, as the spell. Faint illusion; CL 3rd; Forge Ring, invisibility; Price 20,000 gp. And... Use-activated or continuous Spell level x caster level x 2,000 gp (2) (2) 2 If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with a duration measured in rounds, multiply the cost by 4. If the duration of the spell is 1 minute/level, multiply the cost by 2, and if the duration is 10 minutes/level, multiply the cost by 1.5. If the spell has a 24-hour duration or greater, divide the cost in half. First, a ring of invisibility is use activated/continuous not command word activated, and can be activated any number of times, not 3 per day. If we look at the math we get: Price = Caster level x Spell Level x 2000 x Duration Modifier Price = 3 x 2 x 2000 x 2 (duration 1 minute per level (D) ) = 24000 gp SRD price = 20000 gp The SRD (and DMG) have REDUCED the price of this item in relation to the table I used to price mine. I didn't apply a duration modifier because mine is use activated NOT continuous (because Mordenkainen's Lucubration is instantaneous in duration) and thus instead of having a higher price, it takes a standard action every time I want to use it.
Nom 05-20-05, 10:40 PM	Hero, you are using the wrong entry. The ring of invisibility is not a "continuous" effect, so the duration multiplier does not apply. Thus, the nominal cost is 3 x 2 x 2000 = 12000 (use activated, no times / day limit). However, they have figured it back in since being able to use invisibility at will is quite valuable.
RaspK FOG 05-21-05, 05:39 AM	Well then he'd never get his spells back because: "A sleeping character may make Listen checks at a –10 penalty" :DThere is a difference in being roused from your sleep and being vigilant. Even so, if you were roused from your sleep, your rest is interrupted. ;)
ehrin 05-21-05, 11:08 AM	Roused from sleep = rest interuppted is not necessarily so... "The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time..." It all depends on what the Mage does once roused. :rolleyes: If they do movement, tasks, work, conversation, etc., then they their rest is interuppted. If you rouse them and they do nothing, then it isn't.
mvincent 05-21-05, 12:45 PM	There is a difference in being roused from your sleep and being vigilant.My point was that the passive use of some skills (listen/spot) wouldn't count as "skill use" for the purpose of interrupting rest time because they are almost always being used (even when sleeping).
Seeker95 05-21-05, 04:27 PM	Roused from sleep = rest interrupted is not necessarily so... If they do movement, tasks, work, conversation, etc., then they their rest is interrupted. If you rouse them and they do nothing, then it isn't.I disagree. Being roused from your sleep interrupts your rest. It is probably the most interrupting act that can occur.
LordofArcana 05-21-05, 05:26 PM	From what material we have, I don't think movement here involves simple motion; instead, it refers to any action which relies on your speed stats... However, a mage can't rest and keep watch at the same time: doesn't Spotting or Listening count as skill use? :confused: yes but seeing an ogre( or similar creature) charge your sleeping party doesn't take much effort.
ehrin 05-21-05, 08:05 PM	Typically, i never disagree with Seeker... but here, i have to. If i am sleeping, and someone comes over and says "wake up", and I do, I think that's just normal...If that messes up your 8 hours of resting you need before you prepare spells, then how in the world do you wake up? Must you wake up all on your own, with no external noises, and then prepare your spells? If you hear a twig snap, get up and start your morning ritual spell prep, are you interrupted? Not in my world, at least. A mage doesn't need 8 hours of sleep, so waking up from sleep, or being woken from sleep, doesn't interrupt the 8 hours they must rest. I say you wake up, and if you got enough sleep, great. Finish out your resting period with quiet meditation or whatever, and then prep your spells. If you didn't get enough sleep, go back to sleep, and wake up later.
RaspK FOG 05-21-05, 08:26 PM	My argument of "being roused" referred to being roused due to hearing (albeit with a -10 penalty) something that would alert you to danger; that's quite a stressful way to wake up, as is being roused from my brother (Good Lord, I still can't believe the way he did it)!
Seeker95 05-22-05, 01:50 PM	then how in the world do you wake up? Must you wake up all on your own, with no external noises, and then prepare your spells?I use an alarm clock (or at least used to -- my 2-year old is much more efficient!) to get up *when I need to get up*. But if that same alarm clock went off after only 4 hours of sleep, that would be an interruption of my "good night's sleep". If you wake up in the middle of the night because you sleep lightly, no problem. If someone in the party shouts "wake up!" in the middle of the night, that's an interruption.
ehrin 05-22-05, 02:35 PM	I agree seeker, that it is an interruption. But, the rules do not say a mage must have 8 hours of sleep. Just, 8 hours of rest... So, if you awake at 4 am, and can't go back to sleep, then simply meditate, rest, and prepare your spells... From the SRD: The wizard does not have to slumber for every minute of the time, but she must refrain from movement, combat, spellcasting, skill use, conversation, or any other fairly demanding physical or mental task during the rest period. Perhaps we are just battling semantics... Interrupting REST will add time to your preparation, I agree. interrupting SLEEP doesn't necessarily do so, if you can continue to REST after the interruption of your sleep. IE, you can be awakened during your sleep, but if you don't do any "fairly demanding physical or mental task", then it can still be rest....
Seeker95 05-22-05, 02:47 PM	Perhaps we are just battling semantics...After reading your explanation, I agree.. our disagreement is not with conclusions, but rather simply with the working definition of the terms we are starting with. Given that, I think we understand each other enough to conclude that we would both be capable of playing a wizard in each other's campaigns. :tiphat:
ehrin 05-22-05, 03:55 PM	Yeah!