A different Permanency question [Archive] - Wizards Community

A different Permanency question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Nagol
06-23-04, 11:13 AM Permanency makes another spell permanent and has a duration of permanent.

Do if you have a targeted Dispel Magic cast on you, shouldn’t you need to roll against both the permanent spell and the Permanency keeping it permanent?

If the permanent spell is dispelled, then the Permanency would be holding nothing and would probably fail.

If the Permanency were dispelled, the original spell would revert to its original duration and eventaully wear off.
Seeker95
06-23-04, 11:59 AM Originally posted by Nagol
Do if you have a targeted Dispel Magic cast on you, shouldn’t you need to roll against both the permanent spell and the Permanency keeping it permanent?I would say no. The duration of the spell made permanent has long since expired.
Nagol
06-23-04, 02:27 PM I would have preferred if the Permanency spell had an Instant duration. Then the situation is clear.

As it stands we have spell 'A' with a duration forced to Permanent and a duration Permanent Permanency as well.

I'll probably house-rule the change to an Instant duration for Permanency. It is a weak enough effect without insisting on 2 rolls per spell effect.
Hypersmurf
06-23-04, 05:31 PM Originally posted by Nagol
I would have preferred if the Permanency spell had an Instant duration.

Heh. I just finished saying exactly the same thing in the other Permanency thread.

Yes, with a Permanent duration, Permanency can be dispelled. Since the other spell is certainly still an 'ongoing effect on a person', it can also be dispelled.

Assuming the original spell's normal duration (not its new Permanent duration) has expired, dispelling either spell will get rid of the original.

However, as I noted in the other thread, it's not guaranteed that a targeted dispel on the creature will actually affect the Permanency spell, since it's not really a spell cast on the creature; it's a spell cast on a spell, which isn't the target of the targeted dispel. But in this case, an area dispel would get the Permanency.

-Hyp.
[GSV] Kirstar
06-24-04, 03:31 AM i would say that its a mistake having the permanency spell have a duration of permanent.

I class it as instant but it makes the affected spell duration = permanent.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nagol 06-23-04, 11:13 AM	Permanency makes another spell permanent and has a duration of permanent. Do if you have a targeted Dispel Magic cast on you, shouldn’t you need to roll against both the permanent spell and the Permanency keeping it permanent? If the permanent spell is dispelled, then the Permanency would be holding nothing and would probably fail. If the Permanency were dispelled, the original spell would revert to its original duration and eventaully wear off.
Seeker95 06-23-04, 11:59 AM	Originally posted by Nagol Do if you have a targeted Dispel Magic cast on you, shouldn’t you need to roll against both the permanent spell and the Permanency keeping it permanent?I would say no. The duration of the spell made permanent has long since expired.
Nagol 06-23-04, 02:27 PM	I would have preferred if the Permanency spell had an Instant duration. Then the situation is clear. As it stands we have spell 'A' with a duration forced to Permanent and a duration Permanent Permanency as well. I'll probably house-rule the change to an Instant duration for Permanency. It is a weak enough effect without insisting on 2 rolls per spell effect.
Hypersmurf 06-23-04, 05:31 PM	Originally posted by Nagol I would have preferred if the Permanency spell had an Instant duration. Heh. I just finished saying exactly the same thing in the other Permanency thread. Yes, with a Permanent duration, Permanency can be dispelled. Since the other spell is certainly still an 'ongoing effect on a person', it can also be dispelled. Assuming the original spell's normal duration (not its new Permanent duration) has expired, dispelling either spell will get rid of the original. However, as I noted in the other thread, it's not guaranteed that a targeted dispel on the creature will actually affect the Permanency spell, since it's not really a spell cast on the creature; it's a spell cast on a spell, which isn't the target of the targeted dispel. But in this case, an area dispel would get the Permanency. -Hyp.
[GSV] Kirstar 06-24-04, 03:31 AM	i would say that its a mistake having the permanency spell have a duration of permanent. I class it as instant but it makes the affected spell duration = permanent.