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Coridan 02-10-07, 03:50 PM	Given we had a few "mishaps" once with Summon Undead as read in Libris Mortis and overpowered undead I've come up with a complete list by spell level. The problem was Libris Mortis spell description only mention size, which means 9 Headed Hydra comes out waay too quick. Human Warrior Skeleton Kobold Zombie Dire Rat Skeleton Halfling Warrior Skeleton Kobold Warrior Skeleton Human Commoner Zombie Crocodile Skeleton Gnoll Warrior Skeleton Dire Badger Skeleton Wolf Skeleton Dire Rat Zombie Gnome Warrior Zombie Goblin Warrior Zombie Owlbear Skeleton Bugbear Zombie Troglodyte Zombie Black Bear Zombie Wolf Zombie Gnoll Warrior Zombie Ogre Skeleton Werewolf (Human Commoner) Zombie, Hybrid Form Ghoul Troll Skeleton Ogre Zombie Brown Bear Skeleton Deinonychus Skeleton Heavy Warhorse Skeleton Minotaur Skeleton Dire Ape Zombie Centaur Zombie Allip Ghast Wyvern Zombie Minotaur Zombie Chimera Skeleton Nine Headed Hydra Skeleton Hound Archon Zombie Mummy Shadow Vampire Spawn Wight Ettin Skeleton Umber Hulk Zombie Megaraptor Skeleton Elephant Zombie I'm slightly concerned because SU1's list runs the gamut from CR 1/3 to CR 1 though, but the CR1s are too weak for the SU2 list. But Summon Monster only runs to CR 1/2 at the most for its summons.
Coridan 02-10-07, 06:40 PM	Please I beg, someone respond and let me know if I'm in the ball park or completely off my rocker (erm, computer chair).
RLRapp 02-10-07, 07:41 PM	Actually, the Summon Undead spell have been redone in the Spell Compendium, with a specific list of undead creatures that can be summoned at each level.
Coridan 02-10-07, 07:51 PM	It's the same list as in Heroes of Horror if I remember, and only contains 2 or 3 creatures at each level (which are included in the above lists)
NobodyRemembersThis 02-10-07, 09:42 PM	That may not be a bad thing though, having limited choices. Seeing as Type: Undead removes the various humanoid and monstrous humanoid bonii, why not just do: Skeletal Humanoid (Medium, 1HD) Skeletal Humanoid (small, 1HD) Zombie Humanoid (Medium, 2HD) Zombie Humanoid (Small, 2HD) Skeletal Animal (Medium, 1HD) Skeletal Animal (Small, 1HD) Zombie Animal (Small, 2HD) Zombie Animal (Medium, 2HD) How about this for Summon Undead 1? nice and simple, and it gives you something to work with. And how about the following as the levels increase: SU2: +2HD, CR 2 SU3: +1HD, and Size (Large), CR 3 SU4: +2HD, CR 4 SU5: +1HD, and Size (Huge), CR 5 SU6: +2HD, CR 6 SU7: +1HD, and Size (Gargantuan), CR 7 SU8: +2HD, CR 8 SU9:+1HD and size (Colossal), CR 9 How's that work?