A question about Prot. from evil spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

A question about Prot. from evil spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Khul
10-29-04, 08:46 PM Can someone tell me does protection from evil suppress a charm effect (from evil caster, of course) that is already in place?

eg. if a character is affected by suggestion, with a command to jump from a cliff, could prot. from evil, casted after the character failed his save, delay the effect of the suggestion spell?

The description of prot. from evil is not very clear about this case and my crew had an argument about it. If you have been in similar situations, please, share your oppinions.

thanks

ps. I appologize if there was a similar thread about this issue that I missed
kSquared
10-29-04, 08:49 PM This sentence from protection from evil should clear things up:

The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect.Ongoing mental control (like a dominate effect) is suppressed. A suggestion like the one you mention is instantaneously made and is not an "ongoing" influence over the creature's actions, so it's not affected.

Also, as an aside, you can't ask a creature to jump off a cliff with a suggestion spell, since that's a harmful action:

Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell.
Khul
10-30-04, 07:58 AM Thank you for quick response.

I understand that you can issue only one "suggestion" per spell, but the duration of the suggestion isn't instantaneous (1hour/lev or until completed) and so during the pc's walk to the, (you are absolutely right about jumping off the cliff so...) let's say, "fresh water" (pool of acid) could Prot. from evil suppress the effect?
kSquared
10-30-04, 09:09 AM No. The suggestion is still an instantaneous event -- you make the suggestion, and then that's it. That's not ongoing mental control, so it's not blocked; you couldn't later go back to the subject and say "wait! I changed my mind!", since the suggestion is already in place.

If the caster has to concentrate or at least take a free action to exert control on the victim and tell it what he wants it to do, then that's ongoing mental control. But anything else probably isn't.
grug
10-30-04, 10:43 AM ksquard u r wrong. the suggestion spell is technically an ongoing effect because it has a duration. if the effected person enters an area with the effects of a protection from evil spell the suggestion would be suppressed but when he leaves the area he would be compeled to complete the suggestion again.
kSquared
10-30-04, 11:05 AM ksquard u r wrong. the suggestion spell is technically an ongoing effect because it has a duration. if the effected person enters an area with the effects of a protection from evil spell the suggestion would be suppressed but when he leaves the area he would be compeled to complete the suggestion again.Alex: "Bzzzt! I'm sorry, Mr. grug, that's incorrect. Thanks for playing! Mr. Jennings, would you care to buzz in?"

Ken: "Why, yes, Alex, I would. I don't know what source grug is quoting, but the correct answer is:"

The second function of the protection from evil spell blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature or to exercise mental control over the creature. What, exactly, counts as mental control?

“Mental control” includes all spells of the school of Enchantment that have the Charm subschool, such as animal friendship, charm person, and charm monster. It also includes some Enchantment spells of the Compulsion subschool if those spells grant the caster ongoing control over the subject; such spells include dominate person and dominate monster. Compulsions that merely dictate the subject’s action at the time the spell takes effect are not blocked. Such spells include command, hold person, geas/quest, hypnotism, insanity, irresistible dance, suggestion, and zone of truth.Ken: "Clearly Mr. grug has taken to imbibing some sort of potent psychometabolic and hallucinatory drug."

Alex: "I'm sorry, Mr. Jennings, you didn't phrase your response in the form of a question!"

Ken: *gets out a machine gun and mows down Alex Trebek*
Khul
10-30-04, 04:14 PM Excellent point by clarifying compulsion variations. That, I think, concludes this question.

Thanks.

Ps. There is no need to be sarcastic towards grug
kSquared
10-30-04, 04:25 PM Aw, that's just a spoof on the Jeopardy skit a few weeks ago, where they have Ken Jennings, a caveman named Grogg, and Alex Trebek's mother playing Jeopardy. The similarity between Grogg and grug was too good to pass up. ;)

No offense meant, grug.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Khul 10-29-04, 08:46 PM	Can someone tell me does protection from evil suppress a charm effect (from evil caster, of course) that is already in place? eg. if a character is affected by suggestion, with a command to jump from a cliff, could prot. from evil, casted after the character failed his save, delay the effect of the suggestion spell? The description of prot. from evil is not very clear about this case and my crew had an argument about it. If you have been in similar situations, please, share your oppinions. thanks ps. I appologize if there was a similar thread about this issue that I missed
kSquared 10-29-04, 08:49 PM	This sentence from protection from evil should clear things up: The protection does not prevent such effects from targeting the protected creature, but it suppresses the effect for the duration of the protection from evil effect.Ongoing mental control (like a dominate effect) is suppressed. A suggestion like the one you mention is instantaneously made and is not an "ongoing" influence over the creature's actions, so it's not affected. Also, as an aside, you can't ask a creature to jump off a cliff with a suggestion spell, since that's a harmful action: Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell.
Khul 10-30-04, 07:58 AM	Thank you for quick response. I understand that you can issue only one "suggestion" per spell, but the duration of the suggestion isn't instantaneous (1hour/lev or until completed) and so during the pc's walk to the, (you are absolutely right about jumping off the cliff so...) let's say, "fresh water" (pool of acid) could Prot. from evil suppress the effect?
kSquared 10-30-04, 09:09 AM	No. The suggestion is still an instantaneous event -- you make the suggestion, and then that's it. That's not ongoing mental control, so it's not blocked; you couldn't later go back to the subject and say "wait! I changed my mind!", since the suggestion is already in place. If the caster has to concentrate or at least take a free action to exert control on the victim and tell it what he wants it to do, then that's ongoing mental control. But anything else probably isn't.
grug 10-30-04, 10:43 AM	ksquard u r wrong. the suggestion spell is technically an ongoing effect because it has a duration. if the effected person enters an area with the effects of a protection from evil spell the suggestion would be suppressed but when he leaves the area he would be compeled to complete the suggestion again.
kSquared 10-30-04, 11:05 AM	ksquard u r wrong. the suggestion spell is technically an ongoing effect because it has a duration. if the effected person enters an area with the effects of a protection from evil spell the suggestion would be suppressed but when he leaves the area he would be compeled to complete the suggestion again.Alex: "Bzzzt! I'm sorry, Mr. grug, that's incorrect. Thanks for playing! Mr. Jennings, would you care to buzz in?" Ken: "Why, yes, Alex, I would. I don't know what source grug is quoting, but the correct answer is:" The second function of the protection from evil spell blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature or to exercise mental control over the creature. What, exactly, counts as mental control? “Mental control” includes all spells of the school of Enchantment that have the Charm subschool, such as animal friendship, charm person, and charm monster. It also includes some Enchantment spells of the Compulsion subschool if those spells grant the caster ongoing control over the subject; such spells include dominate person and dominate monster. Compulsions that merely dictate the subject’s action at the time the spell takes effect are not blocked. Such spells include command, hold person, geas/quest, hypnotism, insanity, irresistible dance, suggestion, and zone of truth.Ken: "Clearly Mr. grug has taken to imbibing some sort of potent psychometabolic and hallucinatory drug." Alex: "I'm sorry, Mr. Jennings, you didn't phrase your response in the form of a question!" Ken: gets out a machine gun and mows down Alex Trebek
Khul 10-30-04, 04:14 PM	Excellent point by clarifying compulsion variations. That, I think, concludes this question. Thanks. Ps. There is no need to be sarcastic towards grug
kSquared 10-30-04, 04:25 PM	Aw, that's just a spoof on the Jeopardy skit a few weeks ago, where they have Ken Jennings, a caveman named Grogg, and Alex Trebek's mother playing Jeopardy. The similarity between Grogg and grug was too good to pass up. ;) No offense meant, grug.