Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fishfinger 05-25-07, 05:41 PM	why is it so critical that no one gets hold of a wizards spell book what are the consequences i've never fully got my head around it can someone just clear this up for me quickly please?
NobodyRemembersThis 05-25-07, 05:45 PM	Without the spellbook, the wizard cannot prepare spells. And a fully loaded spellbook will cost the Wizard 10000gp to fill, so it is a significant investment.
fishfinger 05-25-07, 05:47 PM	so if someone else got hold of it this would mean 10k for the wizard but what does that mean for the person who stole it, access to spells? with out a magic user level?
NobodyRemembersThis 05-25-07, 05:49 PM	Nope. Just an angry off spellcaster and 5-10k in his pocket. Plus, any custom spells are worth more than that, and the wizard likely does not have an extra copy, especially at low levels. But the thief can't use it.
fishfinger 05-25-07, 05:54 PM	so what use is stealing it accept for removing the wizards actual spells
NobodyRemembersThis 05-25-07, 05:58 PM	nothing, nada, zilch, zien. :P
cwslyclgh 05-25-07, 06:01 PM	so what use is stealing it accept for removing the wizards actual spells the thief can sell it for a pretty penny, but I susspect that most spell books that are stolen are stolen by, or at the behest of, another spell caster that CAN use the book.
Millenia 05-25-07, 06:03 PM	For MONEY. Duh. I mean, you've got a book worth 10,000 gp on your hands, so you could fetch a pretty penny on the black market, as I'm sure a wizard would totally love a book he doesn't have to fill out himself.... and could possible have spells that he doesn't have. Backups are always good, too. :>
NobodyRemembersThis 05-25-07, 06:10 PM	There's no real rules for it, but IMO a unique spell is in and of itself is usually 5-10000gp.
SALDAR 05-27-07, 06:36 AM	...I'm sure a wizard would totally love a book he doesn't have to fill out himself.... and could possible have spells that he doesn't have. Backups are always good, too. :> This sounds like a good idea but it does not work within the rules. Since the wizard did not write the spells in the book he would have to treat it as a borrowed spellbook (PHB 178). The only thing a wizard can do with a borrowed spellbook without spending money is prepare spells he already knows and has in his own spellbook. If the stolen book has spells that the wizard doesn't know he would have to learn and copy them into his own spellbook, at 100gp per page, before he could prepare them from the stolen book (PHB 179). Even if he doesn't have to fill the book out himself he still has to fill out his own book, thus no spells to prepare without paying 100gp per page to copy them, thus no cheap spells.
Decinious 05-27-07, 11:27 AM	There are rules for Mastering a Foreign Spellbook P.40Complete Arcane. Requires a higher spellcraft check quite a few days of study, but after which you can treat that spellbook as if it is your own.
Everdreaming 05-27-07, 11:33 AM	This sounds like a good idea but it does not work within the rules. Since the wizard did not write the spells in the book he would have to treat it as a borrowed spellbook (PHB 178). The only thing a wizard can do with a borrowed spellbook without spending money is prepare spells he already knows and has in his own spellbook. If the stolen book has spells that the wizard doesn't know he would have to learn and copy them into his own spellbook, at 100gp per page, before he could prepare them from the stolen book (PHB 179). Even if he doesn't have to fill the book out himself he still has to fill out his own book, thus no spells to prepare without paying 100gp per page to copy them, thus no cheap spells. True, but, if they allow it, a person could use the "Mastering a Foreign Spellbook" rules on page 140 of Complete Arcane. If you make a spellcraft check, and spend a lot of time, you are allowed to treat a foreign spellbook as one you made.