A Touch Attack (type) Energy on a Weapon. [Archive] - Wizards Community

A Touch Attack (type) Energy on a Weapon. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DemonMonkeyBoy
02-05-04, 04:28 AM A Touch Attack (type) Energy on a Weapon.

I’m thinking of allowing weapons that have an elemental energy on them do damage with a touch attack. That is just the energy damage, no weapon or str damage. As I read the ability description this would not be normally allowed. So there should be some kind of cost involved. I realize this would most likely only be used by classes with a low BAB, but I can’t decide on a fair price.

Here are my ideas so far
1, A flat price increase for each energy type. Maybe a 1000gp.
2, a +1 and it affects all types.
3, increase each energy type to a +2

Now the main abuse I can see happening is a weapon with 3 or more energy types being able to do a lot of damage very quickly. So considering everything, how would you price it or would you just not allow it?
adiaven
02-05-04, 04:37 AM They already have this property, similiar to what you want:

Brilliant Energy
(DMG3.5 p224)
Melee,
Thrown, &
Ammo only
Passes through non-living matter, so Armor and Armor Enhancement AC
bonuses don’t count against this weapon. Cannot harm Undead,
Constructs, & Objects
The weapon gives off light in a 20’ radius.
Strong
Trans 16
Craft Arms & Armor
Gaseous Form
Continual Flame
+4
---------------

Passing through armor is very similiar to a touch attack. (I think the only difference is Natural armor bonus?)

It's a +4 enchantment, so the effect you described with no drawbacks like cannot harm undead, constructs or objects is a +5 enchantment....

basically, you are making a jedi lightsaber.
DemonMonkeyBoy
02-05-04, 05:42 AM :b: Thats not exactly right. Brilliant Energy you get your full weapon+str+feats to get damage.

I'm suggesting just the elemental damage, nothing else applys to damage. So were talking 1 or 2d6 maybe more depending on the game.

I'm probably wrong, but that does not sound like a +5 ability.
adiaven
02-05-04, 12:12 PM ahh, ok. missed that part.

I would make it +3, since it's better than a burst weapon, but not as good as brilliant energy.

A full BAB character is most likely going to make all of her attacks with this weapon (unless it's a high dex/dodge/deflection target) so while the damage is low, it will add up fast.
Inigo Carmine
02-05-04, 12:34 PM I would also add the specific stipulation that you don't get any sneak attack damage either.
DemonMonkeyBoy
02-05-04, 10:59 PM :b:Maybe I’m underestimating the usefulness of this. I really didn’t think it should cost that much. So how about this:

Elemental Touch

This ability can be placed on a weapon that already has an elemental ability, like flaming or frost. This ability will allow the wielder to do just elemental damage to their opponent with a touch attck. If there is more than one type of elemental energy it only applies to one type. The wielder may choose which energy to use as a free action.

This ability may be applied more than once to allow more than one elemental energy at a time.

I’m still thinking this should be worth a +1 EQ. If you think I’m wrong please give me your price or how, if possible, make to a +1?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DemonMonkeyBoy 02-05-04, 04:28 AM	A Touch Attack (type) Energy on a Weapon. I’m thinking of allowing weapons that have an elemental energy on them do damage with a touch attack. That is just the energy damage, no weapon or str damage. As I read the ability description this would not be normally allowed. So there should be some kind of cost involved. I realize this would most likely only be used by classes with a low BAB, but I can’t decide on a fair price. Here are my ideas so far 1, A flat price increase for each energy type. Maybe a 1000gp. 2, a +1 and it affects all types. 3, increase each energy type to a +2 Now the main abuse I can see happening is a weapon with 3 or more energy types being able to do a lot of damage very quickly. So considering everything, how would you price it or would you just not allow it?
adiaven 02-05-04, 04:37 AM	They already have this property, similiar to what you want: Brilliant Energy (DMG3.5 p224) Melee, Thrown, & Ammo only Passes through non-living matter, so Armor and Armor Enhancement AC bonuses don’t count against this weapon. Cannot harm Undead, Constructs, & Objects The weapon gives off light in a 20’ radius. Strong Trans 16 Craft Arms & Armor Gaseous Form Continual Flame +4 --------------- Passing through armor is very similiar to a touch attack. (I think the only difference is Natural armor bonus?) It's a +4 enchantment, so the effect you described with no drawbacks like cannot harm undead, constructs or objects is a +5 enchantment.... basically, you are making a jedi lightsaber.
DemonMonkeyBoy 02-05-04, 05:42 AM	:b: Thats not exactly right. Brilliant Energy you get your full weapon+str+feats to get damage. I'm suggesting just the elemental damage, nothing else applys to damage. So were talking 1 or 2d6 maybe more depending on the game. I'm probably wrong, but that does not sound like a +5 ability.
adiaven 02-05-04, 12:12 PM	ahh, ok. missed that part. I would make it +3, since it's better than a burst weapon, but not as good as brilliant energy. A full BAB character is most likely going to make all of her attacks with this weapon (unless it's a high dex/dodge/deflection target) so while the damage is low, it will add up fast.
Inigo Carmine 02-05-04, 12:34 PM	I would also add the specific stipulation that you don't get any sneak attack damage either.
DemonMonkeyBoy 02-05-04, 10:59 PM	:b:Maybe I’m underestimating the usefulness of this. I really didn’t think it should cost that much. So how about this: Elemental Touch This ability can be placed on a weapon that already has an elemental ability, like flaming or frost. This ability will allow the wielder to do just elemental damage to their opponent with a touch attck. If there is more than one type of elemental energy it only applies to one type. The wielder may choose which energy to use as a free action. This ability may be applied more than once to allow more than one elemental energy at a time. I’m still thinking this should be worth a +1 EQ. If you think I’m wrong please give me your price or how, if possible, make to a +1?