Action to put an ally in a bag of holding? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Action to put an ally in a bag of holding? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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P___N
02-24-06, 06:16 AM If a character wishes to protect a severely wounded ally, in combat, by putting them into a bag of holding (putting the bag over the ally) - what kind of action would this be? Is this possible? The dmg doesnt say HOW you put living creatures in the bag only how long they can survive.
Mentar
02-24-06, 08:03 AM Think about it like trying to put an unconcious body into a sleeping bag or dressing a baby.
It would probably take at least 1 minute, possibly more if the ally is kicking and screaming.
Seeker95
02-24-06, 08:07 AM I'd make it a full round action. Think how long it takes to put a pillow case onto a pillow. Easily six seconds or more. Now try putting a little bag of holding over a full-sized friend that is nothing but dead weight. :D
Vaelan
02-24-06, 08:08 AM If your ally is standing perfectly upright: a full-round action.

If they're standing perfectly upright, all you have to do is get the 4'-wide bag around their shoulders, pull the bag down to around their ankles and turn the right-side up.

This is, of course, assuming the person can fit through a 4'x2' opening.
Mentar
02-24-06, 08:23 AM Normally I agree with things Seeker95 says, but this time I must disagree.
Vaelan has it right, if the person is standing upright and not fighting with you, 1 full round.

Having done practice sessions in the military where we wrap a "fallen" friend in a poncho or place them in a sleeping bag to transport them to a medical aid station, I must admit that rolling the person on to a poncho would take 1 full round. Stuffing them into a sleeping bag from the top takes at least 1 minute, if there is no gear to get caught on the edges.

Imagining any human as a pillow?
Sorry Seeker, unless you are an ogre and the person you are helping is a halfling I can't quite see that.
P___N
02-24-06, 08:30 AM The ally is on 0 HP and is unthreatened. Theres likely to be a spell coming in before his next action so was thinking this would be a good way of protecting him. Im guessing he will be willing ;)
Mentar
02-24-06, 09:01 AM Remember, even at it's best it takes a full round, thus the spell would be completed before he is fully in the bag.
If it offers a reflex save the DM might allow for that save to represent him jumping fully into the bag, and taking no damage (as per evasion), maybe even limiting a failed save to half damage (as per improved evasion).

Your DM may change this, allowing the player to make a standard/move action out of sequence to get into the bag, thus reducing it to a full round action for you, non-action for him. Getting out of the bag, on the other hand, may require another character to reach in for him.

I am sure I saw something about this elsewhere, with a suggestion of having a 10 foot ladder and a bottle of air to allow for characters to sleep in bags of holding, but I think it was somewhere on the boards, not something official.
Seeker95
02-24-06, 12:32 PM Mentar, I'm trying to figure out why you are disagreeing with me.

A severely wounded friend is not going to be attacking you. Nor fighting against your placing that bag of holding over them.

If your friend is *dying* then placing them in a bag of holding is probably not a good idea... by the time you get them out, they will no longer be dy-ing. They will be dead.
mvincent
02-24-06, 01:15 PM The ally is on 0 HP and is <snip> willingI'd allow a character to stuff a willing, conscious ally into an appropriately sized bag using a full action (it'd probably provoke an AoO though).

I'd also allow them to do the same for an unconscious figure in two rounds (yeah... it might take longer in real-life, but this is just a game and that seems reasonable).
kalstrand
02-24-06, 03:37 PM This is all assuming you can fit a human through the opening of the bag. I don't know if the DMG lists opening sizes of bags but I don't know that the opening would be large enough for a human sized object to enter.
mvincent
02-24-06, 04:08 PM This is all assuming you can fit a human through the opening of the bag. I don't know if the DMG lists opening sizes of bags but I don't know that the opening would be large enough for a human sized object to enter.It's a good question, but the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20051101a) suggests that it's not an issue:
"Player characters also love to stuff their comrades, living or dead, into their bags of holding. Since most bodies are somewhat pliable, it's fine to simply use a bag's weight limit to determine how many creatures fit inside."
Etharion
02-24-06, 06:01 PM This is a good idea, but a comorade might not always fit in the bag.
What would be even better, and much more easier is having a Portable hole. The hole is 6 feet in diameter when fully opened, and you can fold it up into a pocket handkerchief. You could fit a whole lot of things in that.
Cool eh? :D
Tyrasius
02-24-06, 08:35 PM maybe you could take longer than a full round to slowly work the bag down around the shoulders, etc. of a particularly large comarade.

Also I wonder if it would be possible to get bags of holding with larger openings, but that cost more? I'm going to ask my DM about that. It would be interesting to have bags of holding big enough and able to hold enough weight that you have say, your house in them, but the opening would have to be so big you'd need a bag of holding to hold the bag of holding which I believe would ttear a whole in the fabrick of space or something like that. I don't know I'm going by memory because the DMG went to the new DM after I decided to play a campaign as a player.
mvincent
02-24-06, 08:46 PM maybe you could take longer than a full round to slowly work the bag down around the shoulders, etc. of a particularly large comarade.As a side note: a large portion of the delay in cramming someone into a sleeping bag (or somesuch) is the (steadily increasing) friction of the insides of the bag against their body. For extra-dimensional items, this is not really an issue.
Tyrasius
02-24-06, 09:31 PM As a side note: a large portion of the delay in cramming someone into a sleeping bag (or somesuch) is the (steadily increasing) friction of the insides of the bag against their body. For extra-dimensional items, this is not really an issue.

I wasn't so much referring to someone who can already fit taking longer if they are taller but fitting someone to big to actually go over them. Heres an example. A dwarf or some other broad person is 6 feet wide. Your bag has a 3.5 foot wide openning. Maybe you could work the bag over one shoulder taking it into the new plane of the bag, and then over the other shoulder sort of scooping them up in an s pattern.
Seeker95
02-25-06, 11:35 AM A dwarf or some other broad person is 6 feet wide. :confused: :eek: :uh-huh: :bigeyes: :mymy: :thinks: :blink: :gah:
mvincent
02-25-06, 12:33 PM :confused: :eek: :uh-huh: :bigeyes: :mymy: :thinks: :blink: :gah:Maybe he meant "circumference"?
Tyrasius
02-26-06, 02:48 PM IT was a HYPOTHETICAL. I dont actually mean to say your average dwarf is 6 feet wide

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
P___N 02-24-06, 06:16 AM	If a character wishes to protect a severely wounded ally, in combat, by putting them into a bag of holding (putting the bag over the ally) - what kind of action would this be? Is this possible? The dmg doesnt say HOW you put living creatures in the bag only how long they can survive.
Mentar 02-24-06, 08:03 AM	Think about it like trying to put an unconcious body into a sleeping bag or dressing a baby. It would probably take at least 1 minute, possibly more if the ally is kicking and screaming.
Seeker95 02-24-06, 08:07 AM	I'd make it a full round action. Think how long it takes to put a pillow case onto a pillow. Easily six seconds or more. Now try putting a little bag of holding over a full-sized friend that is nothing but dead weight. :D
Vaelan 02-24-06, 08:08 AM	If your ally is standing perfectly upright: a full-round action. If they're standing perfectly upright, all you have to do is get the 4'-wide bag around their shoulders, pull the bag down to around their ankles and turn the right-side up. This is, of course, assuming the person can fit through a 4'x2' opening.
Mentar 02-24-06, 08:23 AM	Normally I agree with things Seeker95 says, but this time I must disagree. Vaelan has it right, if the person is standing upright and not fighting with you, 1 full round. Having done practice sessions in the military where we wrap a "fallen" friend in a poncho or place them in a sleeping bag to transport them to a medical aid station, I must admit that rolling the person on to a poncho would take 1 full round. Stuffing them into a sleeping bag from the top takes at least 1 minute, if there is no gear to get caught on the edges. Imagining any human as a pillow? Sorry Seeker, unless you are an ogre and the person you are helping is a halfling I can't quite see that.
P___N 02-24-06, 08:30 AM	The ally is on 0 HP and is unthreatened. Theres likely to be a spell coming in before his next action so was thinking this would be a good way of protecting him. Im guessing he will be willing ;)
Mentar 02-24-06, 09:01 AM	Remember, even at it's best it takes a full round, thus the spell would be completed before he is fully in the bag. If it offers a reflex save the DM might allow for that save to represent him jumping fully into the bag, and taking no damage (as per evasion), maybe even limiting a failed save to half damage (as per improved evasion). Your DM may change this, allowing the player to make a standard/move action out of sequence to get into the bag, thus reducing it to a full round action for you, non-action for him. Getting out of the bag, on the other hand, may require another character to reach in for him. I am sure I saw something about this elsewhere, with a suggestion of having a 10 foot ladder and a bottle of air to allow for characters to sleep in bags of holding, but I think it was somewhere on the boards, not something official.
Seeker95 02-24-06, 12:32 PM	Mentar, I'm trying to figure out why you are disagreeing with me. A severely wounded friend is not going to be attacking you. Nor fighting against your placing that bag of holding over them. If your friend is dying then placing them in a bag of holding is probably not a good idea... by the time you get them out, they will no longer be dy-ing. They will be dead.
mvincent 02-24-06, 01:15 PM	The ally is on 0 HP and is <snip> willingI'd allow a character to stuff a willing, conscious ally into an appropriately sized bag using a full action (it'd probably provoke an AoO though). I'd also allow them to do the same for an unconscious figure in two rounds (yeah... it might take longer in real-life, but this is just a game and that seems reasonable).
kalstrand 02-24-06, 03:37 PM	This is all assuming you can fit a human through the opening of the bag. I don't know if the DMG lists opening sizes of bags but I don't know that the opening would be large enough for a human sized object to enter.
mvincent 02-24-06, 04:08 PM	This is all assuming you can fit a human through the opening of the bag. I don't know if the DMG lists opening sizes of bags but I don't know that the opening would be large enough for a human sized object to enter.It's a good question, but the Rules of the Game (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20051101a) suggests that it's not an issue: "Player characters also love to stuff their comrades, living or dead, into their bags of holding. Since most bodies are somewhat pliable, it's fine to simply use a bag's weight limit to determine how many creatures fit inside."
Etharion 02-24-06, 06:01 PM	This is a good idea, but a comorade might not always fit in the bag. What would be even better, and much more easier is having a Portable hole. The hole is 6 feet in diameter when fully opened, and you can fold it up into a pocket handkerchief. You could fit a whole lot of things in that. Cool eh? :D
Tyrasius 02-24-06, 08:35 PM	maybe you could take longer than a full round to slowly work the bag down around the shoulders, etc. of a particularly large comarade. Also I wonder if it would be possible to get bags of holding with larger openings, but that cost more? I'm going to ask my DM about that. It would be interesting to have bags of holding big enough and able to hold enough weight that you have say, your house in them, but the opening would have to be so big you'd need a bag of holding to hold the bag of holding which I believe would ttear a whole in the fabrick of space or something like that. I don't know I'm going by memory because the DMG went to the new DM after I decided to play a campaign as a player.
mvincent 02-24-06, 08:46 PM	maybe you could take longer than a full round to slowly work the bag down around the shoulders, etc. of a particularly large comarade.As a side note: a large portion of the delay in cramming someone into a sleeping bag (or somesuch) is the (steadily increasing) friction of the insides of the bag against their body. For extra-dimensional items, this is not really an issue.
Tyrasius 02-24-06, 09:31 PM	As a side note: a large portion of the delay in cramming someone into a sleeping bag (or somesuch) is the (steadily increasing) friction of the insides of the bag against their body. For extra-dimensional items, this is not really an issue. I wasn't so much referring to someone who can already fit taking longer if they are taller but fitting someone to big to actually go over them. Heres an example. A dwarf or some other broad person is 6 feet wide. Your bag has a 3.5 foot wide openning. Maybe you could work the bag over one shoulder taking it into the new plane of the bag, and then over the other shoulder sort of scooping them up in an s pattern.
Seeker95 02-25-06, 11:35 AM	A dwarf or some other broad person is 6 feet wide. :confused: :eek: :uh-huh: :bigeyes: :mymy: :thinks: :blink: :gah:
mvincent 02-25-06, 12:33 PM	:confused: :eek: :uh-huh: :bigeyes: :mymy: :thinks: :blink: :gah:Maybe he meant "circumference"?
Tyrasius 02-26-06, 02:48 PM	IT was a HYPOTHETICAL. I dont actually mean to say your average dwarf is 6 feet wide