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Fusky75 02-15-08, 08:38 AM	A wizard... after he had scribed a spell from a scroll into his spellbook, the scroll is destroyed or no? And if the Spellcraft check is failed, the scroll is lost or no? Thanks
BugHunter 02-15-08, 09:22 AM	A wizard... after he had scribed a spell from a scroll into his spellbook, the scroll is destroyed or no? And if the Spellcraft check is failed, the scroll is lost or no? Thanks Here are the answers. 1. Yes, the spell disappears from the scroll it is worded this way incase there are more than one spell on the scroll. 2. No, spell disappears only with a successful spellcraft check.
Fusky75 02-15-08, 09:31 AM	Here are the answers. 2. No, spell disappears only with a successful spellcraft check. Thanks :-) Can you tell me in what manual is written (and perhaps the page)?
LSMFT 02-15-08, 10:04 AM	I believe it is the PHB. In addition, you can find the necessary documentation here (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#addingSpellstoaWizardsS pellbook), in the SRD.
BugHunter 02-15-08, 07:50 PM	PHB page 179 and the RC page 160.
elonin 02-16-08, 01:12 PM	The sucessful spell craft roll (to understand the spell) doesn't destroy the scroll. Using the scroll to scribe the spell into your book does. That spell craft is just to be able to "know" the spell. On the other hand if you have access to the spell (maybe from a freind or library) and an unused slot in (memory) you make a decipher script roll and spell craft check to prepare it into memory. Then use the memorized slot to write it into your book.
Merestil Haye 02-16-08, 04:12 PM	The sucessful spell craft roll (to understand the spell) doesn't destroy the scroll. Using the scroll to scribe the spell into your book does. That spell craft is just to be able to "know" the spell. On the other hand if you have access to the spell (maybe from a freind or library) and an unused slot in (memory) you make a decipher script roll and spell craft check to prepare it into memory. Then use the memorized slot to write it into your book.Sorry but that's not permitted. You can use a Spellcraft check to prepare a spell from another's book only if you already have the spell in your spellbook.A wizard can use a borrowed spellbook to prepare a spell she already knows and has recorded in her own spellbook.(Bolding mine). You cannot prepare a spell if you do not have it in your spellbook.
elonin 02-16-08, 04:30 PM	Sorry but that's not permitted. You can use a Spellcraft check to prepare a spell from another's book only if you already have the spell in your spellbook. OK I was incorrect in the specific detail. If you look down to the section "spells copied from another's spellbook or a scroll". It is possible to transcribe a spell from book to book after making the spell craft roll (and taking a day) without affecting the old spell.
Decinious 02-16-08, 04:32 PM	True that you can't prepare it(though I did have to double check). Though you can just copy it from a borrowed spellbood directly into yours without preparing if you make your spellcraft. Spells Copied from Another’s Spellbook or a Scroll A wizard can also add a spell to her book whenever she encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard’s spellbook. No matter what the spell’s source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings, above). Next, she must spend a day studying the spell. At the end of the day, she must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell’s level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from her specialty school. She cannot, however, learn any spells from her prohibited schools. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into her spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook, below). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment. If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. She cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until she gains another rank in Spellcraft. A spell that was being copied from a scroll does not vanish from the scroll.
Merestil Haye 02-16-08, 06:36 PM	OK I was incorrect in the specific detail. If you look down to the section "spells copied from another's spellbook or a scroll". It is possible to transcribe a spell from book to book after making the spell craft roll (and taking a day) without affecting the old spell.No argument there. :) The rule is in place to stop you from killing a wizard and using his spellbook to prepare spells you have never transcribed into your book. It's something very easy to overlook, which is why I flagged it up. There is a way round it - there are rules in CArc on mastering another wizard's spellbook. It requires good Spellcraft and time. At the end of the procedure, that spellbook is treated as if it were your own.
elonin 02-16-08, 07:28 PM	The rules about your spell book etc are a bit strange to me. Magic isn't quite like science, but may still be a bit formulaic. For example I'm imagining that the process may be each time you want to release the mystic energies you have to do the same thing. Taken that way if you already know the basics of how to do the spell (gained level trained etc) then all you do every day is basically look over your notes which is kind of like a cheet sheet. That being the case using another wizards spell book is like borrowing someone's notes which isn't that hard to do.
pigknight 02-16-08, 11:31 PM	Here's how you get every spell in your spellbook. Memorize (greater) teleport several times. Teleleport to a library, check out a couple spells, rinse and repeat until you have a copy of each spell. Next, copy every spell into your book. Lastly, return the parchment to the libraries, say that you were attacked and ran out of spells, teleport away.