after charm person wears off [Archive] - Wizards Community

after charm person wears off [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Beware of Kobold
11-12-03, 02:18 AM I've always wondered what happens after charm person wears off on someone. Do they remember that they were charmed? If so wouldn't this make them pretty much instantly hostile to the person who charmed them?
Ssussunriyh
11-12-03, 02:37 AM This answer appeared in Dragon # 273, in Sage Advice by Skip Williams:

"In the case of Charm Person, it's a good bet that an intelligent character who has been compelled to do something he wouldn't normally do will know that something was amiss. The less ordinary the subject's actions, the more likely the subject is to realize someone tampered with his mind. For example, if a PC uses a Charm Person spell to get a tightfisted merchant to give him a big discount, the merchant should wonder what made him give the PC such a good deal once the spell wears off. The PC should look out for squalls if he ever meets that merchant again.
"On the other hand, the more ordinary the subject's actions, the less likely the subject is to realize he has been enspelled. For example, if a PC ducks into a shop while running from the town guard and uses Charm Person to pursuade the merchant not to turn him in, the merchant will probably be none the wiser (particularly if the merchant wasn't too honest to begin with [and doesn't ordinarily give out information freely to the town guard].) If the PC then buys something from the merchant for a generous sum, the merchant might well remember the PC fondly."
Moblin
11-12-03, 02:39 AM Well in my game it depends on how the charm was used. If the person failed his save he doesn’t know he was charmed even though the effect is gone. He can how ever deduct that he was charmed from what he experienced while he was charmed.
The most obvious is the use of charm in combat. Going from; I want to kill him to what a nice guy I think I’ll invite him over for tee can hardly be ignored. Little more different is it when it’s used with out the person seeing the spell being cast and not changing his view of the caster in a radical way. If it’s cast on a person in initial contact (sometime my group uses the spell on people to start with so they don’t have to deal with him being unwilling to cooperate) and not use to gain too much then I usually rule that the persons attitude towards them is improved as he only recall pleasant things about their fist meeting (of course he dose notis that his and the casters “friendship” isn’t as good as he remember). Any thing between these things two extremes is on a case by case basis judged by the DM.

Edit: looks like Ssussunriyh beat me to it

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Beware of Kobold 11-12-03, 02:18 AM	I've always wondered what happens after charm person wears off on someone. Do they remember that they were charmed? If so wouldn't this make them pretty much instantly hostile to the person who charmed them?
Ssussunriyh 11-12-03, 02:37 AM	This answer appeared in Dragon # 273, in Sage Advice by Skip Williams: "In the case of Charm Person, it's a good bet that an intelligent character who has been compelled to do something he wouldn't normally do will know that something was amiss. The less ordinary the subject's actions, the more likely the subject is to realize someone tampered with his mind. For example, if a PC uses a Charm Person spell to get a tightfisted merchant to give him a big discount, the merchant should wonder what made him give the PC such a good deal once the spell wears off. The PC should look out for squalls if he ever meets that merchant again. "On the other hand, the more ordinary the subject's actions, the less likely the subject is to realize he has been enspelled. For example, if a PC ducks into a shop while running from the town guard and uses Charm Person to pursuade the merchant not to turn him in, the merchant will probably be none the wiser (particularly if the merchant wasn't too honest to begin with [and doesn't ordinarily give out information freely to the town guard].) If the PC then buys something from the merchant for a generous sum, the merchant might well remember the PC fondly."
Moblin 11-12-03, 02:39 AM	Well in my game it depends on how the charm was used. If the person failed his save he doesn’t know he was charmed even though the effect is gone. He can how ever deduct that he was charmed from what he experienced while he was charmed. The most obvious is the use of charm in combat. Going from; I want to kill him to what a nice guy I think I’ll invite him over for tee can hardly be ignored. Little more different is it when it’s used with out the person seeing the spell being cast and not changing his view of the caster in a radical way. If it’s cast on a person in initial contact (sometime my group uses the spell on people to start with so they don’t have to deal with him being unwilling to cooperate) and not use to gain too much then I usually rule that the persons attitude towards them is improved as he only recall pleasant things about their fist meeting (of course he dose notis that his and the casters “friendship” isn’t as good as he remember). Any thing between these things two extremes is on a case by case basis judged by the DM. Edit: looks like Ssussunriyh beat me to it