Alter Self and Feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alter Self and Feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kem
12-31-03, 01:46 PM Basic Question:
When you use Wildshape do you keep any feats you gained from Levels (1 at 1st another at 3rd etc)?

Additional Question:
Do you keep the Human Bonus Feat?

Things to keep in mind:
If not, most feats dealing with wildshape don't actually do anything.
If yes, do you only keep feats that apply to abilities you have due to class levels? (Keep Natural Spell, lose Alertness)

My Opinion:
Lose the Human Feat, keep the normal feats. The normal feats are because you added class levels overall. You should only lose that which is a benefit of your race (Dragon's Frightful Presence) not that which is a benefit of your class and levels (Barbarian Rage, Weapon Specialization).

However what I feel and what is real could be two different things :)
Hanniball
12-31-03, 01:55 PM you retain all feats when in wild shape form. some feats may not be able to function when in animal form (i.e. monkey grip is not useable by a cat) however you still have access to them should they be usable (i.e. a druid with power attack in the shape of a bear can still power attack)

wild shaping doesn't change your base creature type therefore you still retain the human bonus feat.

if i'm wrong, please correct me...

either way...just my 0.02 cp
Seeker95
12-31-03, 01:55 PM You would not lose the human feat. (There is no such thing as a "human feat". Check the feats. Not a single one of them has "human" a a prerequisite.)

You get the feat as a bonus because you are human. But the feat itself does not have "human" as a prerequisite to use. You had "human" as a prerequisite to acquire the feat.

You might lose the ability to use the feat when in wildshape simply because the feat prerequisites may not be met in your new form.
Kem
12-31-03, 02:08 PM I was actually on the edge about losing/keeping the human feat.

But either way, thank you both :)
Marcivo Mikdeswer
12-31-03, 10:42 PM Thanks for that 50th of a copper piece.I think Ill buy a toothpick,but anyway since you still retain your mind I think the fact that you are something different would only physically impede what you could do and you would still know how to do it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kem 12-31-03, 01:46 PM	Basic Question: When you use Wildshape do you keep any feats you gained from Levels (1 at 1st another at 3rd etc)? Additional Question: Do you keep the Human Bonus Feat? Things to keep in mind: If not, most feats dealing with wildshape don't actually do anything. If yes, do you only keep feats that apply to abilities you have due to class levels? (Keep Natural Spell, lose Alertness) My Opinion: Lose the Human Feat, keep the normal feats. The normal feats are because you added class levels overall. You should only lose that which is a benefit of your race (Dragon's Frightful Presence) not that which is a benefit of your class and levels (Barbarian Rage, Weapon Specialization). However what I feel and what is real could be two different things :)
Hanniball 12-31-03, 01:55 PM	you retain all feats when in wild shape form. some feats may not be able to function when in animal form (i.e. monkey grip is not useable by a cat) however you still have access to them should they be usable (i.e. a druid with power attack in the shape of a bear can still power attack) wild shaping doesn't change your base creature type therefore you still retain the human bonus feat. if i'm wrong, please correct me... either way...just my 0.02 cp
Seeker95 12-31-03, 01:55 PM	You would not lose the human feat. (There is no such thing as a "human feat". Check the feats. Not a single one of them has "human" a a prerequisite.) You get the feat as a bonus because you are human. But the feat itself does not have "human" as a prerequisite to use. You had "human" as a prerequisite to acquire the feat. You might lose the ability to use the feat when in wildshape simply because the feat prerequisites may not be met in your new form.
Kem 12-31-03, 02:08 PM	I was actually on the edge about losing/keeping the human feat. But either way, thank you both :)
Marcivo Mikdeswer 12-31-03, 10:42 PM	Thanks for that 50th of a copper piece.I think Ill buy a toothpick,but anyway since you still retain your mind I think the fact that you are something different would only physically impede what you could do and you would still know how to do it.