Alter Self and Grafts [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alter Self and Grafts [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Dheran
02-04-07, 06:49 PM I think I know how Alter Self works normally, but I'm not clear what happens when you've got grafts. Here's the part of the spell description that has me confused:
You keep all extraordinary special attacks and qualities derived from class levels, but you lose any from your normal form that are not derived from class levels.
So if you're a half-elf you've got racial bonuses to various skills and you're immune to Sleep spells. When you Alter Self into a human, you lose these. With a Breath of the Waves graft this half-elf can shrug off fatigue and exhaustion (once an hour, IIRC). When the half-elf with the Breath of the Waves graft casts Alter Self to become a human, is the graft still operational?

What's included in the "normal form"?
Vagrond
02-04-07, 08:59 PM Grafts are much like magic items, really, so I don't believe their benefits would disappear given alter self.
Fleshwarping
02-05-07, 03:08 AM "When the change occurs, your equipment, if any, either remains worn or held by the new form (if it is capable of wearing or holding the item), or melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional."

So, if the graft is an internal feature (special blood, stronger bones, illithid brain implant, etc.) then you could still use it. It "remains worn."

If the graft is an external physical feature (tentacle, arm with demon claws, etc.) that the chosen new form doesn't have, then the graft wouldn't work. It "melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional."

If you choose to keep the graft in the new form (an elf with an Aboleth Mucus Projector grafted onto her back alters herself into a kobold with an Aboleth Mucus Projector grafted onto her back) then you can stil use the graft.

"Breath of the Waves" -- which book is that from?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Dheran 02-04-07, 06:49 PM	I think I know how Alter Self works normally, but I'm not clear what happens when you've got grafts. Here's the part of the spell description that has me confused: You keep all extraordinary special attacks and qualities derived from class levels, but you lose any from your normal form that are not derived from class levels. So if you're a half-elf you've got racial bonuses to various skills and you're immune to Sleep spells. When you Alter Self into a human, you lose these. With a Breath of the Waves graft this half-elf can shrug off fatigue and exhaustion (once an hour, IIRC). When the half-elf with the Breath of the Waves graft casts Alter Self to become a human, is the graft still operational? What's included in the "normal form"?
Vagrond 02-04-07, 08:59 PM	Grafts are much like magic items, really, so I don't believe their benefits would disappear given alter self.
Fleshwarping 02-05-07, 03:08 AM	"When the change occurs, your equipment, if any, either remains worn or held by the new form (if it is capable of wearing or holding the item), or melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional." So, if the graft is an internal feature (special blood, stronger bones, illithid brain implant, etc.) then you could still use it. It "remains worn." If the graft is an external physical feature (tentacle, arm with demon claws, etc.) that the chosen new form doesn't have, then the graft wouldn't work. It "melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional." If you choose to keep the graft in the new form (an elf with an Aboleth Mucus Projector grafted onto her back alters herself into a kobold with an Aboleth Mucus Projector grafted onto her back) then you can stil use the graft. "Breath of the Waves" -- which book is that from?