Alter Self and native outsiders [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alter Self and native outsiders [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
smrtgmp
05-20-04, 03:04 AM I recently stated an air genasi character, and I was wondering about how I would use alter self. Can I turn into outsiders with 5HD or less, or only into other native outsiders? Or is is something else completely? Thanks in advance for the help I'm sure to receive.

edit never mind, I figured it out
Seeker95
05-20-04, 11:08 AM And what was your answer?
Zherog
05-20-04, 11:15 AM You may turn into any Outsider with 5 or fewer hit dice. The sub-type doesn't matter (Native is a subtype).
Seeker95
05-20-04, 11:55 AM That's what I would have concluded, but figured it had to be more complicated than that!
smrtgmp
05-20-04, 04:26 PM You may turn into any Outsider with 5 or fewer hit dice. The sub-type doesn't matter (Native is a subtype).

that was my conclusion as well. I based it off the recent Sage article on the main page.
Hypersmurf
05-20-04, 10:02 PM Originally posted by smrtgmp
that was my conclusion as well. I based it off the recent Sage article on the main page.

Of course, basing it off the recent Sage article on the main page, you might conclude that you can Alter Self into a humanoid, not another outsider.

Since they're an exception.

For no good reason.

Or anything written anywhere in the rules.

(Or wait, am I thinking of familiars?)

-Hyp.
smrtgmp
05-20-04, 10:06 PM no, you can change into things of your type. Air Genasi are outsiders, so they can change into outsiders, but not into humanoids.
Hypersmurf
05-20-04, 10:09 PM Originally posted by smrtgmp
no, you can change into things of your type. Air Genasi are outsiders, so they can change into outsiders, but not into humanoids.

Yes, I know.

And familiars are considered magical beasts for the purpose of any effect dependent on type.

-Hyp.
smrtgmp
05-20-04, 10:38 PM OK. We must be on two different pages. I thought you were saying an air genasi could alter self into a humaniod. My mistake.
Hypersmurf
05-20-04, 10:49 PM Originally posted by smrtgmp
OK. We must be on two different pages. I thought you were saying an air genasi could alter self into a humaniod. My mistake.

I did, but I was being scathing and sarcastic at the time, so it doesn't count :)

So you weren't mistaken about what I said, but it wasn't really what I meant :)

-Hyp.
smrtgmp
05-20-04, 11:05 PM So I see, so I saw
Seeker95
05-21-04, 08:28 AM Originally posted by smrtgmp
OK. We must be on two different pages. Close. Hypersmurf thinks this is a different thread. The whetstone for grinding his axe must have dulled over there. :P

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
smrtgmp 05-20-04, 03:04 AM	I recently stated an air genasi character, and I was wondering about how I would use alter self. Can I turn into outsiders with 5HD or less, or only into other native outsiders? Or is is something else completely? Thanks in advance for the help I'm sure to receive. edit never mind, I figured it out
Seeker95 05-20-04, 11:08 AM	And what was your answer?
Zherog 05-20-04, 11:15 AM	You may turn into any Outsider with 5 or fewer hit dice. The sub-type doesn't matter (Native is a subtype).
Seeker95 05-20-04, 11:55 AM	That's what I would have concluded, but figured it had to be more complicated than that!
smrtgmp 05-20-04, 04:26 PM	You may turn into any Outsider with 5 or fewer hit dice. The sub-type doesn't matter (Native is a subtype). that was my conclusion as well. I based it off the recent Sage article on the main page.
Hypersmurf 05-20-04, 10:02 PM	Originally posted by smrtgmp that was my conclusion as well. I based it off the recent Sage article on the main page. Of course, basing it off the recent Sage article on the main page, you might conclude that you can Alter Self into a humanoid, not another outsider. Since they're an exception. For no good reason. Or anything written anywhere in the rules. (Or wait, am I thinking of familiars?) -Hyp.
smrtgmp 05-20-04, 10:06 PM	no, you can change into things of your type. Air Genasi are outsiders, so they can change into outsiders, but not into humanoids.
Hypersmurf 05-20-04, 10:09 PM	Originally posted by smrtgmp no, you can change into things of your type. Air Genasi are outsiders, so they can change into outsiders, but not into humanoids. Yes, I know. And familiars are considered magical beasts for the purpose of any effect dependent on type. -Hyp.
smrtgmp 05-20-04, 10:38 PM	OK. We must be on two different pages. I thought you were saying an air genasi could alter self into a humaniod. My mistake.
Hypersmurf 05-20-04, 10:49 PM	Originally posted by smrtgmp OK. We must be on two different pages. I thought you were saying an air genasi could alter self into a humaniod. My mistake. I did, but I was being scathing and sarcastic at the time, so it doesn't count :) So you weren't mistaken about what I said, but it wasn't really what I meant :) -Hyp.
smrtgmp 05-20-04, 11:05 PM	So I see, so I saw
Seeker95 05-21-04, 08:28 AM	Originally posted by smrtgmp OK. We must be on two different pages. Close. Hypersmurf thinks this is a different thread. The whetstone for grinding his axe must have dulled over there. :P