alter self into something that flies [Archive] - Wizards Community

alter self into something that flies [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Asteryx
12-07-05, 01:42 PM Can I use Alter Self to transform into an eagle?
Rules say" take the form of a creature of the same type".

Otherwise, which humanoid has wings so my wizard can fly on the cheap?
Wyrd Bearer
12-07-05, 01:56 PM This (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246) is a useful thread that I've found will answer every alter self question that arises, especially the "what forms can I take" ones.

Going with core rules only, no, there are no forms for the standard races to assume a flying form with alter self. Going outside of core, there are a race of winged elves from the Forgotten Realms setting that you can take on as a form for flight.

As for your example of becoming an eagle, no, because an eagle's type is Animal while your normal races that you'll play are all Humanoids. If you want to become an eagle, you'll need either polymorph or to be a druid.
JL3712
12-07-05, 02:46 PM I think theres Avariels (winged elves) and than there's Raptorans for the races of the wild book. though I'm not sure if they're humanoids or monstrous humanoids, than there is the winged template from the Savage Species book applied to a human or halfling. Also aren't kobolds humanoids with the reptilian subtype, if so than there is their cousins the Urds, who are supposedly winged kobolds. Just a thought.
burntgerbil
12-07-05, 03:40 PM take native outsider if you are playing FR, then take imp. there ya go.
JadeSpider9643
12-07-05, 08:24 PM I think theres Avariels (winged elves) and than there's Raptorans for the races of the wild book. though I'm not sure if they're humanoids or monstrous humanoids, than there is the winged template from the Savage Species book applied to a human or halfling. Also aren't kobolds humanoids with the reptilian subtype, if so than there is their cousins the Urds, who are supposedly winged kobolds. Just a thought.
you can't use templates with alter-self.
Moosh Nailo
12-07-05, 08:58 PM Raptorans from Races of the Wild. They can fly when they reach 5HD, glide until then, and have a +10 to jump checks.
Rhaevyn404
12-07-05, 10:14 PM In core there isn't anything you could transform into to enable flight if you are a humaniod. The best thing to do is simply use a fly spell, only one level higher than alter self.
Emeramber
12-08-05, 12:08 AM I've gotten some flight mileage with Altering into an air mephling, from the planar handbook. While it doesn't have the avariel's speed, it does have its uses.

An air mephling is a small humanoid with 10 (Perfect) flight. If you need burrow for some reason, the earth mephling has burrow 10.
Wilds
12-08-05, 01:00 AM alter self into a human and get a floating feat :D
Asteryx
12-08-05, 01:09 AM Doesn't allowing Alter Self (Wiz2, 40 min, Personal) to Avariel or Air mephling put Fly (Wiz3, 4 min, any 1 creature touched) somewhat out of balance?

Also where is the Urd described?
WoTC has a pict of it with a kobold but it's not in the MM nor MM3.
Surveying a goblin camp as a Urd would attract less attention than as an Avariel.
ronyon
12-08-05, 07:59 AM There are Flying monkeys in StormWrack :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Asteryx 12-07-05, 01:42 PM	Can I use Alter Self to transform into an eagle? Rules say" take the form of a creature of the same type". Otherwise, which humanoid has wings so my wizard can fly on the cheap?
Wyrd Bearer 12-07-05, 01:56 PM	This (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=176246) is a useful thread that I've found will answer every alter self question that arises, especially the "what forms can I take" ones. Going with core rules only, no, there are no forms for the standard races to assume a flying form with alter self. Going outside of core, there are a race of winged elves from the Forgotten Realms setting that you can take on as a form for flight. As for your example of becoming an eagle, no, because an eagle's type is Animal while your normal races that you'll play are all Humanoids. If you want to become an eagle, you'll need either polymorph or to be a druid.
JL3712 12-07-05, 02:46 PM	I think theres Avariels (winged elves) and than there's Raptorans for the races of the wild book. though I'm not sure if they're humanoids or monstrous humanoids, than there is the winged template from the Savage Species book applied to a human or halfling. Also aren't kobolds humanoids with the reptilian subtype, if so than there is their cousins the Urds, who are supposedly winged kobolds. Just a thought.
burntgerbil 12-07-05, 03:40 PM	take native outsider if you are playing FR, then take imp. there ya go.
JadeSpider9643 12-07-05, 08:24 PM	I think theres Avariels (winged elves) and than there's Raptorans for the races of the wild book. though I'm not sure if they're humanoids or monstrous humanoids, than there is the winged template from the Savage Species book applied to a human or halfling. Also aren't kobolds humanoids with the reptilian subtype, if so than there is their cousins the Urds, who are supposedly winged kobolds. Just a thought. you can't use templates with alter-self.
Moosh Nailo 12-07-05, 08:58 PM	Raptorans from Races of the Wild. They can fly when they reach 5HD, glide until then, and have a +10 to jump checks.
Rhaevyn404 12-07-05, 10:14 PM	In core there isn't anything you could transform into to enable flight if you are a humaniod. The best thing to do is simply use a fly spell, only one level higher than alter self.
Emeramber 12-08-05, 12:08 AM	I've gotten some flight mileage with Altering into an air mephling, from the planar handbook. While it doesn't have the avariel's speed, it does have its uses. An air mephling is a small humanoid with 10 (Perfect) flight. If you need burrow for some reason, the earth mephling has burrow 10.
Wilds 12-08-05, 01:00 AM	alter self into a human and get a floating feat :D
Asteryx 12-08-05, 01:09 AM	Doesn't allowing Alter Self (Wiz2, 40 min, Personal) to Avariel or Air mephling put Fly (Wiz3, 4 min, any 1 creature touched) somewhat out of balance? Also where is the Urd described? WoTC has a pict of it with a kobold but it's not in the MM nor MM3. Surveying a goblin camp as a Urd would attract less attention than as an Avariel.
ronyon 12-08-05, 07:59 AM	There are Flying monkeys in StormWrack :D